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steveb12344
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Toronto won't be trading Gardi, SK
Joined: 05.13.2012

Dec 27 @ 6:35 PM ET
Soooooo you call him a troll cause he pointed out your mistake? Is Can short for Canada in your "Considering Sweden won Gold and Can didn't even medal" part of your response? Cause I thought we won bronze. Or is that not considered a medal.
- ruttager17


You mean for pointing out what i had already pointed out 5 comments prior to his comment.

If he's going to come on here and just pick one comment and attack it, without reading the rest of the conversation for context. Then yes, I'd say there is an element of trolling to it.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Dec 27 @ 6:38 PM ET
If I were the Leafs and they were picking second overall, how could they say no to this guy, if McKinnon went first? They already have a glut of young defensemen, but need a centre. But a young Pronger? You can't say no!
- PrinceLH


I highly doubt he will become anything close to Pronger. Far too many times we see defenseman rated highly only to fail to meet the unrealistic expectations placed on them.



ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Dec 27 @ 6:38 PM ET
You mean for pointing out what i had already pointed out 5 comments prior to his comment.

If he's going to come on here and just pick one comment and attack it, without reading the rest of the conversation for context. Then yes, I'd say there is an element of trolling to it.

- steveb12344

Ok ok, just settle down. frenchie is a good guy and he gets a free pass for life because of his wonderfully delicious spoof of Clout's blog a lil while back.

Now as for your RNH comments. I find it very interesting as well what he may take away from this tournament. On one hand, he has a year of NHL experience under his belt, on the other, he may learn from being a peer to younger players and being looked up to on the team, as compared to being the youngest player on a pro team. Either way, the experience cannot hurt him. Unless he gets hurt. Then that can hurt him.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Dec 27 @ 6:41 PM ET
I'll wait to hear longbottoms opinion before deciding who will go 1st
- robin_steele264

I pretty much wanna email LB with all of my life decisions from now on. He is so old and wise.
PrinceLH
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Belleville, ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Dec 27 @ 6:45 PM ET
I highly doubt he will become anything close to Pronger. Far too many times we see defenseman rated highly only to fail to meet the unrealistic expectations placed on them.
- Leafs43
I saw Pronger play, in Junior. This guy is the closest I've seen to the same style of player. He has all of the tools, with the size and skating. He'll be a 30 minute defenseman, playing in all situations. Anyone who passes on this guy, after McKinnon, will rue the day that they took someone else.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Dec 27 @ 6:50 PM ET
I saw Pronger play, in Junior. This guy is the closest I've seen to the same style of player. He has all of the tools, with the size and skating. He'll be a 30 minute defenseman, playing in all situations. Anyone who passes on this guy, after McKinnon, will rue the day that they took someone else.
- PrinceLH


Im not saying he isnt the #2 prospect, I am completely convinced that he is. But I heard the same things about Larsson being compared to Lidstrom. Im just saying ill believe it when I see it.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Dec 27 @ 6:50 PM ET
You mean for pointing out what i had already pointed out 5 comments prior to his comment.

If he's going to come on here and just pick one comment and attack it, without reading the rest of the conversation for context. Then yes, I'd say there is an element of trolling to it.

- steveb12344

Sorry good sir but as a peon I only have one page of comments, Clouts has 4-7, I'm not used to such trials of forward readership.

And I come in all the time. Just because it takes 20 seconds doesn't make it any less admirable.
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Dec 27 @ 6:56 PM ET
Sorry good sir but as a peon I only have one page of comments, Clouts has 4-7, I'm not used to such trials of forward readership.

And I come in all the time. Just because it takes 20 seconds doesn't make it any less admirable.

- AdamFrench

Don't worry frenchie you're pretty cool beans according to the rest of us.

I am still waiting for his response on the "Can didn't even medal" part.
Habitants98
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 02.24.2012

Dec 27 @ 7:12 PM ET
well i guess Duby answered the Bernier vs Dubnyk debate from earlier if i was an oilers fan after that game i'd be even more pumped, now all you guys need is a few minute crunching D
steveb12344
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Toronto won't be trading Gardi, SK
Joined: 05.13.2012

Dec 27 @ 7:17 PM ET
Don't worry frenchie you're pretty cool beans according to the rest of us.

I am still waiting for his response on the "Can didn't even medal" part.

- ruttager17


Does anybody ever really remember who got third?

They still didn't even play in the gold medal game. My point was you've got to at least make the finals to win the Conn Smythe.

Anyways this arguement is getting so far away from the original point of it all that i'd just as soon not continue it.

Habitants98
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 02.24.2012

Dec 27 @ 7:18 PM ET
I was looking back five years at the 2008 nhl draft. Was looking at things if a re do was done where players would have been drafted my opion was. 1)Stamkos (1)
2)Pietrangelo (4)
3)Karlsson (15)
4)Eberle (22)
5)Doughty (2)
6)Bogosian (3)
7)Stepan (51)
8)Henrique(82)
9)Del Zotto (20)
10)Ennis (26)
11)Myers (12)
12)Hodgson (10)
13)Schenn (5)
14)Wilson (7)
15)Carlson (27)
16)Gardiner (17)
17)Holtby (93)
18)Markstrom (31)
19)Sbisa (19)
20)Spurgeon (156)
21)Hamonic (53)
22)Bailey (9)
23)Voynov (32)
24)Josi (38)
25)Boedker (8)
26)Tedenby (24)
27)Demers (186)
28)Nyquist (121)
29)Adam (44)
30)Scandella (55)  

- hockeylegend488


i'm a fan of bogo, but i dont see how you can have him higher than Carlson or Myers the numbers and play tell a different story since that draft

furthermore you also put Del Zotto higher than the previously mentioned 2 even though he couldnt keep a job on the Rangers the lineup for a while and was terrible on the defensive side, pretty much until this last year

Derek Stepan being that high above a few others is also suspect
steveb12344
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Toronto won't be trading Gardi, SK
Joined: 05.13.2012

Dec 27 @ 7:20 PM ET
Don't worry frenchie you're pretty cool beans according to the rest of us.

I am still waiting for his response on the "Can didn't even medal" part.

- ruttager17


I don't think there is anything wrong with Frenchie, nor do i have any problem with him.

It's not his fault that all the good bloggers took all the good teams, and he's stuck with some team that nobody other than thier 12 fans give a crap about
Habitants98
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 02.24.2012

Dec 27 @ 7:22 PM ET
I highly doubt he will become anything close to Pronger. Far too many times we see defenseman rated highly only to fail to meet the unrealistic expectations placed on them.
- Leafs43


so you do the same thing but on the other end by assuming he wont even come close....well stated
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Dec 27 @ 7:25 PM ET
Cherry... Shut the (frank) up!

Yakupov... Заткнись!

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 27 @ 7:29 PM ET
Does anybody ever really remember who got third?

They still didn't even play in the gold medal game. My point was you've got to at least make the finals to win the Conn Smythe.

Anyways this arguement is getting so far away from the original point of it all that i'd just as soon not continue it.

- steveb12344


how bout the Hart trophy? need to make the final for that?
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Dec 27 @ 8:11 PM ET
Cherry... Shut the (frank) up!

Yakupov... Заткнись!

- laughs2907

Laughs you speak Russian? Is it true that in Soviet Russia, road forks U???
ruttager17
Edmonton Oilers
Location: "Don't worry about me, worry about yourself". -EKLB DNZ supreme , AB
Joined: 10.21.2011

Dec 27 @ 8:12 PM ET
Does anybody ever really remember who got third?

They still didn't even play in the gold medal game. My point was you've got to at least make the finals to win the Conn Smythe.

Anyways this arguement is getting so far away from the original point of it all that i'd just as soon not continue it.

- steveb12344

Well having a point, and saying something entirely different,, then back pedaling to make up for the mistake are two different things.
hockeylegend488
Edmonton Oilers
Location: fredericton
Joined: 07.25.2011

Dec 27 @ 8:25 PM ET
All I know, is McKinnon has some competition for number 1 overall. Seth Jones looks like a young Pronger out there. Who wouldn't want the next Pronger? McKinnon is closer to a Taveras with wheels.
- PrinceLH

Both are franchise players imo
hockeylegend488
Edmonton Oilers
Location: fredericton
Joined: 07.25.2011

Dec 27 @ 8:29 PM ET
i'm a fan of bogo, but i dont see how you can have him higher than Carlson or Myers the numbers and play tell a different story since that draft

furthermore you also put Del Zotto higher than the previously mentioned 2 even though he couldnt keep a job on the Rangers the lineup for a while and was terrible on the defensive side, pretty much until this last year

Derek Stepan being that high above a few others is also suspect

- Habitants98

Looking at your opinion ide agree with what you said otherwise you agree
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Dec 27 @ 8:32 PM ET
Laughs you speak Russian? Is it true that in Soviet Russia, road forks U???
- ruttager17


My brain says no, but my anus says yes
steveb12344
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Toronto won't be trading Gardi, SK
Joined: 05.13.2012

Dec 27 @ 9:43 PM ET
Well having a point, and saying something entirely different,, then back pedaling to make up for the mistake are two different things.
- ruttager17


seanjohn667
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 10.25.2012

Dec 27 @ 11:25 PM ET
I'm not sure Cherry is a racist, but he does stick up for Canadians, to a fault. Give him a break, he's 80 years old, he doesn't think like we do. He's from a different generation.
- LeftCoaster


no. he is a racist. or at least an ethnocentrist? he has favourites and thinks we are better than them.

he is nauseating. i tuned him out years ago. a dinosaur from a forgotten era
Coburns_Nose
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Coburn's face
Joined: 11.16.2012

Dec 27 @ 11:38 PM ET
There will never be another Pronger. Kids these days are softies.

Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Dec 27 @ 11:58 PM ET
Cherry... Shut the (frank) up!

Yakupov... Заткнись!

- laughs2907

Laughs Sister... продолжать сосать
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Dec 28 @ 1:02 AM ET
I was looking back five years at the 2008 nhl draft. Was looking at things if a re do was done where players would have been drafted my opion was. 1)Stamkos (1)
2)Pietrangelo (4)
3)Karlsson (15)
4)Eberle (22)
5)Doughty (2)
6)Bogosian (3)
7)Stepan (51)
8)Henrique(82)
9)Del Zotto (20)
10)Ennis (26)
11)Myers (12)
12)Hodgson (10)
13)Schenn (5)
14)Wilson (7)
15)Carlson (27)
16)Gardiner (17)
17)Holtby (93)
18)Markstrom (31)
19)Sbisa (19)
20)Spurgeon (156)
21)Hamonic (53)
22)Bailey (9)
23)Voynov (32)
24)Josi (38)
25)Boedker (8)
26)Tedenby (24)
27)Demers (186)
28)Nyquist (121)
29)Adam (44)
30)Scandella (55)  

- hockeylegend488


At this point in their careers I'm taking doughty before eberle and karlson, and I love the way eberle plays. Doughty and pietrangelo are almost dead equal in my eyes. You could argue pietrangelo is on the upswing and I do see a Norris in te near future but doughty already has Olympic gold and a cup. Tough choice.
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