The players are willing to lose paychecks this Season to stand up for their rights.
- MJL

The Union is supposed to be fighting for the rights of all their constituents. Instead they are fighting for the rights of about 10% of the players. They are not fighting for the rights of the young players, they are not fighting for the rights of the 4th liner or 7th d-man and they are not fighting for the rights of the thousands of people who have been affected by this lockout.

There are issues that the Union should be fighting for that they aren't. They should be fighting to raise the minimum salary, they should be fighting for players on 2 way contracts to make more when they are in the AHL, they should be fighting for better safety. But none of these things are being fought for. Instead they are fighting for long term contracts and 300 million dollars which is less than what they will have lost by the time the lockout ends.

Where did you hear Healey speak?

I'd love to hear the interview.
- Atomic Wedgie

Agreed I want to hear him.(OMG did I just say that. )

Where did you hear Healey speak?

I'd love to hear the interview.
- Atomic Wedgie

I was listening to XM Radio..HNIC radio. Not sure how to get archive...

I was listening to XM Radio..HNIC radio. Not sure how to get archive...
- TrueGrit

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/...ideo/#id=2319019453&tab=1

Thanks for the heads up.

Well I see everyone still arguing with the same old PA stooges that are being paid to be here to counter the fans arguements.

MJL, yttrohs, Canada Cup, tuna...idiots.

All they ever come back with is that the NHL is not "negotiating". Because to them they think "negotiating" means that if one side gives something up, the other side gets something in their favor...

Sorry, but in the real world, that is not the case.

Just ask the Auto workers union, or the teachers, or the nurses, or the flight attendent, or the hostess workers....and on. Economic times change. Its a fact. Costs are up on everything, prices are being challenged through cheaper competitive options. Profits are down and that means concessions...not necessarily give and take...concessions in order to keep the business healthy and keep people employed. That is what is going on here. The NHL did not get "everything" they wanted in the last CBA despite what some say. But they got a lot, so they gave some back to soften the blow. This time around its only minor tweaks. But the PA doesnt want to give up anything. Spoiled babies.

They need to realize they are not above everyone else. They are not hero's or gods that they think they are. They are hockey players being paid MILLIONS of dollars to play a game. Quit the whining and female doging, make a deal, and get back on the ice playing.

Period.

MJL, yttrohs, tuna, all the PA stooges et al...can go suck it!
- Iggysbff

This is a nice speach and all, but really if you're going to call people names and such, the least you could do is to be somewhat accurate.
So with that being said let's move onto the content of your post. A negotiation is give and take. It's coming to an amicable agreement that both sides can live with. And there is clearly only one side making any concessions to the other side. And that is the players to the Owners. That's if you know what a concession is. Supporters of the Owners can spin it to try and make something look like a concession. But that isn't the case.
I think all of the PA supporters are well aware of some of the financial issues the League is facing. And the players are willing to do their share to help out with that. Where you make the mistake is in thinking that if profits are down and economics have changed. Then that means that only one side in this negotiation, the players, has to give anything up. That is completely wrong. The Owners are unwilling to do so. The rich Owners are unwilling to give the Owners of the struggling teams the help they need financially. They want to take it all from the players to line their pockets. And calling what the Owners want to do, minor tweaks, is laughable. And what is missing from most of the NHL supporters. Is the lack of understanding that what the owners are asking fro from the players, isn't going to solve their issues. It isn't going to make Phoenix, Columbus, Florida, ,more profitable. The owners aren't willing to pay the price to fix the issues that they themselves have created. But their perfectly willing to take from the players to do so. And the players are perfectly willing to make a deal. Protecting and standing up for your rights, isn't putting yourself above anyone.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockeynightincanadaradio/video/#id=2319019453&tab=1

Thanks for the heads up.
- Atomic Wedgie

I can get the Ford commercial to play, but not the interview afterwards.

Thank you Internet Explorer.

Why bother even trying to reason? Suggesting that the players were happy with the result of the last lockout, and the money they lost from holding out, is patently absurd. They fired the guy responsible for it in short order.

And now they’re going down the same road.
- prock

exactly.

he's been proven wrong and caught doubletalking so many times now, i just laugh at his ignorant posts and can't take anything he says seriously anymore.
sad part is, he's so delusional, he doesnt even see how ignorant he is.....maybe its bliss?

he''ll focus on one word, or debate the parts he thinks he can wiggle around, ignoring the facts.
it's a waste of time trying to reason with him.

a players union guy, or a dude ek hired to keep hits up...

This is a nice speach and all, but really if you're going to call people names and such, the least you could do is to be somewhat accurate.
So with that being said let's move onto the content of your post. A negotiation is give and take. It's coming to an amicable agreement that both sides can live with. And there is clearly only one side making any concessions to the other side. And that is the players to the Owners. That's if you know what a concession is. Supporters of the Owners can spin it to try and make something look like a concession. But that isn't the case.
I think all of the PA supporters are well aware of some of the financial issues the League is facing. And the players are willing to do their share to help out with that. Where you make the mistake is in thinking that if profits are down and economics have changed. Then that means that only one side in this negotiation, the players, has to give anything up. That is completely wrong. The Owners are unwilling to do so. The rich Owners are unwilling to give the Owners of the struggling teams the help they need financially. They want to take it all from the players to line their pockets. And calling what the Owners want to do, minor tweaks, is laughable. And what is missing from most of the NHL supporters. Is the lack of understanding that what the owners are asking fro from the players, isn't going to solve their issues. It isn't going to make Phoenix, Columbus, Florida, ,more profitable. The owners aren't willing to pay the price to fix the issues that they themselves have created. But their perfectly willing to take from the players to do so. And the players are perfectly willing to make a deal. Protecting and standing up for your rights, isn't putting yourself above anyone.
- MJL

Yes mr Walsh.

Add Craig Simpson who has basically said the players will end up never recovering the lost revenus at this point. Simpson BTW was the last 50 goal scorer for the Oilers and was in the Discussion for the NHLPA in the 94-95 lock-out, so not a scrub.
How come the people you mention as just being 3 players out of how many just happen to be some of the higher profile players from last lock-out. Why hasn't anyone let the younger players talk or the ones that will not be here when this lock-out ends( other than Haisey). Why don't we ask them if this deal/non deal worth it?
Why doesn't someone ask the players who are in the last year of their multimillion dollar deals. Why aren't they the one behing Fehr on the stage?
So much bad Karma happening in the NHLPA that we actually don't get to see yet.
- longbottom

There are many, many high profile players from the last lockout that haven't spoken out. That is no different form today. Hundreds of players. There is bound to be a varying degree of viewpoints and opinions among players. The NHLPA has not stopped any player from voicing their opinion. But the NHL has certainly silenced their Owners. Not that they're wrong in doing so.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockeynightincanadaradio/video/#id=2319019453&tab=1

Thanks for the heads up.
- Atomic Wedgie

My Pleasure...re listening right now myself....

That I will agree with, but nobody has articulated and many people more versed in sports, for example, Glen Healey, who used to work with PA in past lock outs, can not understand what these guys are holding out for.

Contract term length and now a buyout provision are the big sticking points? Seems crazy that these things are worth losing income ...a year of playing.

You are right, they can feel how they want....but it is time to start thinking and not feeling...get the emotion out and get back to work and feel blessed you get to make any money doing what you love.
- TrueGrit

For the record I don't think any of the issues that are left is a reason to miss the Season over. From either sides prospective.

they don't have to make any because........ THEY ARE THE OWNERS!!!!! this is not a deal between two equal parties, like selling your house or business. The owners have stated that they need these conditions before they are willing to run their own businesses. Fehr has been saying 'you'll run your business the way I tell you to'. this is not about 'fair' and 'give and take'. this is about reality (owners tell employees how it is). this is not an essential service, so players better snap out of their dream world (where owners owe them a league to run) and realize they are not in power.

take it or leave it. the scary thing is that Fehr has these idiots so brainwashed that they continued to hold out for a shorter CBA because it isn't fair to 12 years olds that will be subject this deal. what a f--king joke.

my label for hockey players until they prove otherwise: they are dumbest athletes on earth.
- seanjohn667

Yes, a CBA is a negotiation between equal parties. One side may have more leverage. But a CBA negotiation is not about take it or leave it. If it was, the Owners would have never upped their offer multiple times.
And it is an essential service if the League wants to keep generating billions of revenue.

I can get the Ford commercial to play, but not the interview afterwards.

Thank you Internet Explorer.
- Atomic Wedgie

Make sure you find it and hear it...It is better second time through....

Make sure you find it and hear it...It is better second time through....
- TrueGrit

Going through it right now.

The Union is supposed to be fighting for the rights of all their constituents. Instead they are fighting for the rights of about 10% of the players. They are not fighting for the rights of the young players, they are not fighting for the rights of the 4th liner or 7th d-man and they are not fighting for the rights of the thousands of people who have been affected by this lockout.

There are issues that the Union should be fighting for that they aren't. They should be fighting to raise the minimum salary, they should be fighting for players on 2 way contracts to make more when they are in the AHL, they should be fighting for better safety. But none of these things are being fought for. Instead they are fighting for long term contracts and 300 million dollars which is less than what they will have lost by the time the lockout ends.
- Khadgar

I disagree that they're fighting for about 10% of their players. Everything that the players have been fighting for is about the majority of the players. If you feel that the minimum salary is acceptable, then why fight against it?

exactly.

he's been proven wrong and caught doubletalking so many times now, i just laugh at his ignorant posts and can't take anything he says seriously anymore.
sad part is, he's so delusional, he doesnt even see how ignorant he is.....maybe its bliss?

he''ll focus on one word, or debate the parts he thinks he can wiggle around, ignoring the facts.
it's a waste of time trying to reason with him.

a players union guy, or a dude ek hired to keep hits up...
- hugefemale dog77

Whatever excuses you need to tell yourself so you can move on past your failures to refute my message.

This is a nice speach and all, but really if you're going to call people names and such, the least you could do is to be somewhat accurate.
So with that being said let's move onto the content of your post. A negotiation is give and take. It's coming to an amicable agreement that both sides can live with. And there is clearly only one side making any concessions to the other side. And that is the players to the Owners. That's if you know what a concession is. Supporters of the Owners can spin it to try and make something look like a concession. But that isn't the case.
I think all of the PA supporters are well aware of some of the financial issues the League is facing. And the players are willing to do their share to help out with that. Where you make the mistake is in thinking that if profits are down and economics have changed. Then that means that only one side in this negotiation, the players, has to give anything up. That is completely wrong. The Owners are unwilling to do so. The rich Owners are unwilling to give the Owners of the struggling teams the help they need financially. They want to take it all from the players to line their pockets. And calling what the Owners want to do, minor tweaks, is laughable. And what is missing from most of the NHL supporters. Is the lack of understanding that what the owners are asking fro from the players, isn't going to solve their issues. It isn't going to make Phoenix, Columbus, Florida, ,more profitable. The owners aren't willing to pay the price to fix the issues that they themselves have created. But their perfectly willing to take from the players to do so. And the players are perfectly willing to make a deal. Protecting and standing up for your rights, isn't putting yourself above anyone.
- MJL

The NHL is the league. The teams are FRANCHISES. Players keep spouting about Revenue sharing because it benefits THEM. Why should Rogers pay hundreds of millions then not get the profits? So do you see Subway franchises all equal? Do the rich franchises support the struggling ones? Nope. If you cant make it work, close or move or change your economics (ie. change your business plan and get some cost under control). If you really want 4 franchises to close, then the players would really hate that. So they can do their part to keep them afloat and keep their million dollar salary's flowing.

Yes, a CBA is a negotiation between equal parties. One side may have more leverage. But a CBA negotiation is not about take it or leave it. If it was, the Owners would have never upped their offer multiple times.
And it is an essential service if the League wants to keep generating billions of revenue.
- MJL

You not the last post on the Rangers board, might wanan post something there. Cover all your bases.

Whatever excuses you need to tell yourself so you can move on past your failures to refute my message.
- MJL

This made me chuckle.

Your message?

Even Unholy Goalie never demonstrated the messiah complex.

Congrats.

I disagree that they're fighting for about 10% of their players. Everything that the players have been fighting for is about the majority of the players. If you feel that the minimum salary is acceptable, then why fight against it?
- MJL

Well about 10% of the players have 5 year or longer contracts. And at this point that is all the are really fighting about. And of course the players who don't make the min. salary won't fight it because they don't have to worry about it.

Name me the issues that are being fought for that effect all the players.

After rereading I have never said you were Ecklund Check it out.
I have in fact said you might be a player(never once mentioning names)
I actually do happen to believe you just might be Walsh.
The only one arrogant enough to believe the garbage the types/ writes/ say.
- longbottom

This! This! Allan Walsh...

The NHL is the league. The teams are FRANCHISES. Players keep spouting about Revenue sharing because it benefits THEM. Why should Rogers pay hundreds of millions then not get the profits? So do you see Subway franchises all equal? Do the rich franchises support the struggling ones? Nope. If you cant make it work, close or move or change your economics (ie. change your business plan and get some cost under control). If you really want 4 franchises to close, then the players would really hate that. So they can do their part to keep them afloat and keep their million dollar salary's flowing.
- Iggysbff

Exactly- union is to maintain and or increase its membership not lose members...

On a side note I thought I state that Mr Jordan Eberle has been touted as the BEST EVER WJC CDN http://www.ctvmedia.ca/ts...se.asp?id=15959&yyyy=2012

On a side note I thought I state that Mr Jordan Eberle has been touted as the BEST EVER WJC CDN http://www.ctvmedia.ca/ts...se.asp?id=15959&yyyy=2012
- saskoil21

Yeah, he's up there. But I'd personally take Lindros.

They talk so much of that "clutch goal". But it was a huge gift. He was just sitting in front of the net. It was all Tavares' work.

Ryan Whitney ‏@ryanwhitney6
Major road rage on Newbury st. Spots being stolen, horns going off, and slamming of the steering wheel. Tis the season... to dummy someone

T-Roy ‏@heavyoilcountry
@ryanwhitney6 just careful on the wonky ankle sir!



I thought that was hilarious!