AV didnt want him to be a Canucks. End of story. - boonerbuck
Oh, I agree that it's primarily AV's fault, and I'd rather they have gotten rid of him than Hodgson, but the damage was done, and Cody no longer wanted to be a Canuck.
I don't care the circumstances—if a player doesn't want to be a Canuck, trade him.
Edler is a lame duck. He is a UFA next year , no team is going to give up their prize possesions. As I said, throw other names out there for the deal .Hornqvist was a 20 goal scorer the last 3 years.
The true Idea is you can trade Edler and another Canuck and get back a decent return. Many teams would trade. - VANTEL
Edler admits his back will never be 100% again with this kind of injury. That knowledge is going to hurt his trade value as well.
Love Hornqvist but Gill cant move anymore, moblieless.
Hamhuis, Bieska
Gill, Garrison
Ballard, Tanev........sounds like another first round elimination to me, no matter how many goals we put up. - Whiskey-Tango
I just threw Gills name out there . I was making a point of trading a #2/3 Dman (Edler ) and a good frward like Hansen for a decent top 6 forward and a third pair Dman.I would never consider Gill top 4 D
In all fairness, Hodgsons entire stay in the AHL was recovering from a career threatening injury. If he was as healthy as Schroeder,,, do you really think he wouldnt do as well as him? When he was mostly recovered, he was the best player on the team...until his orbital bone was broke...and then the rest of the season recovering again.
Its so easy to dismiss all that isnt it? - boonerbuck
it's not a slight on Hodgson. I was, and still am a huge fan.
I used him as an example of a player who's numbers were better when he got off of the Moose and onto the Canucks, with better linemates.
It's entirely possible he would have put up better numbers if he was healthier, but I don't think they would have increased that much.
Regardless, I still think its a valid example.
Schroeder has been called the Wolves/Mooses best player by the coaches on a few occasions—the one that comes to mind was MacTavish, last season.
Edler is a lame duck. He is a UFA next year , no team is going to give up their prize possesions. As I said, throw other names out there for the deal .Hornqvist was a 20 goal scorer the last 3 years.
The true Idea is you can trade Edler and another Canuck and get back a decent return. Many teams would trade. - VANTEL
Oh, I agree that it's primarily AV's fault, and I'd rather they have gotten rid of him than Hodgson, but the damage was done, and Cody no longer wanted to be a Canuck.
I don't care the circumstances—if a player doesn't want to be a Canuck, trade him. - Fosco
I agree. IF.
According to Cody and agent they didnt request a trade before the deadline. If gillis waitied years to pull the trigger after a previous request, wouldnt waiting for a better trade with better timing be wise? They got a player back that didnt even play in the playoffs. They didnt go into the playoffs with a replacement for the 2nd pp unit. Kassian isnt even a lock for this season if there is one. The hole is still there. Surely Gillis could have worked a little harder for a better trade to help this team now. GM's even said they would have offered more...but it appears Gillis didnt try shopping him. Kassian was the only one of the 5 players that was available. What the (frank) kind of logic and timing is that. If he waited that long, why jump at the deadline for Kassian only? Why not make that move in the summer or work on the other 4.
The " we had to get rid of him now" theory doesnt wash at all with me. When you trade a blue chip prospect, you work harder and be patient and the right deal will come along. You don't trade a high level prospect immediately because he wants an explanation why he was demoted to the 4rth line. You don't don't trade away a high level prospect because his father is annoying.
According to Cody and agent they didnt request a trade before the deadline. If gillis waitied years to pull the trigger after a previous request, wouldnt waiting for a better trade with better timing be wise? They got a player back that didnt even play in the playoffs. They didnt go into the playoffs with a replacement for the 2nd pp unit. Kassian isnt even a lock for this season if there is one. The hole is still there. Surely Gillis could have worked a little harder for a better trade to help this team now. GM's even said they would have offered more...but it appears Gillis didnt try shopping him. Kassian was the only one of the 5 players that was available. What the (frank) kind of logic and timing is that. If he waited that long, why jump at the deadline for Kassian only? Why not make that move in the summer or work on the other 4.
The " we had to get rid of him now" theory doesnt wash at all with me. When you trade a blue chip prospect, you work harder and be patient and the right deal will come along. You don't trade a high level prospect immediately because he wants an explanation why he was demoted to the 4rth line. You don't don't trade away a high level prospect because his father is annoying. - boonerbuck
I agree that the timing of the trade was bad.
You obviously have a pretty low opinion of Kassian.
Other than "blue chip" untouchable prospects, which would have required more than just Hodgson to get, there aren't too many prospects I'd have wanted more than Kassian.
I just threw Gills name out there . I was making a point of trading a #2/3 Dman (Edler ) and a good frward like Hansen for a decent top 6 forward and a third pair Dman.I would never consider Gill top 4 D - VANTEL
Erat is the guy I'd target from NAS, but he makes 1+ mil more than Hornvist which would cause some problems(unless Ballard is moved). But he's one of the most underrated players in the entire league and a really solid playmaker and I don't think NAS would give either of their top forwards for a pending UFA D-Man. They could have just re-signed Suter for 6.5 on a long-term deal.
Edler's value is pretty limited assuming that there is a season, and if there isn't a season then we can't move him anyways since his contract would be up. Although I think the NHL should have a window where teams can re-sign their pending UFA/RFA's before they can hit the open market.
Edler has one year left, he is what is termed by the great Burkie as a lame duck.
If you were an opposing GM what would you trade for a 48 game Edler? - VANTEL
Agreed. The best value you could get is likely from a contending team that would be willing to give up a package including some or just one of a young player/prospect/draft pick.
Edler has one year left he is what is termed by the great Burkie as a lame duck.
If you were an opposing GM what would you trade for a 48 game Edler? - VANTEL
Look what Goligoski got.
Edler>>>>Goligoski
I'm not saying he'll get a superstar in return, but Gill is garbage, and Hornqvist isn't much better—Hansen is a much better player. Plus, he's not a playmaker.
48 game Edler is rubbish.
48 games of elite Edler maybe. The other 34 games are still pretty solid.
Erat is the guy I'd target from NAS, but he makes 1+ mil more than Hornvist which would cause some problems(unless Ballard is moved). But he's one of the most underrated players in the entire league and a really solid playmaker and I don't think NAS would give either of their top forwards for a pending UFA D-Man. They could have just re-signed Suter for 6.5 on a long-term deal.
Edler's value is pretty limited assuming that there is a season, and if there isn't a season then we can't move him anyways since his contract would be up. Although I think the NHL should have a window where teams can re-sign their pending UFA/RFA's before they can hit the open market. - Nucker101
Trust me Erat would be my choice too but Edlers contract ends next year and so does Horny Qvist. Also Erat is 6 M per that may upset some players
it's not a slight on Hodgson. I was, and still am a huge fan.
I used him as an example of a player who's numbers were better when he got off of the Moose and onto the Canucks, with better linemates.
It's entirely possible he would have put up better numbers if he was healthier, but I don't think they would have increased that much.
Regardless, I still think its a valid example.
Schroeder has been called the Wolves/Mooses best player by the coaches on a few occasions—the one that comes to mind was MacTavish, last season. - Fosco
Because I say it is an unfair comparrison, I think it was a slight?
His back wasnt even fully conditioned until he was in the NHL. It's no coincidence that he played better for the Canucks. His "talent" around him on the 3rd line/2nd pp unit were not exactly prime players. He should have done much better on the Moose. Even now, he's a point per game in the AHL.
Agreed. The best value you could get is likely from a contending team that would be willing to give up a package including some or just one of a young player/prospect/draft pick. - Nucker101
Staal got back a decent return only because he wanted to play with his brother ,otherwise he would have been traded for picks and spare parts.
Because I say it is an unfair comparrison, I think it was a slight?
His back wasnt even fully conditioned until he was in the NHL. It's no coincidence that he played better for the Canucks. His "talent" around him on the 3rd line/2nd pp unit were not exactly prime players. He should have done much better on the Moose. Even now, he's a point per game in the AHL. - boonerbuck
In a system where Kassian, who is a year younger, was nearly a point per game last season
I'm not saying he'll get a superstar in return, but Gill is garbage, and Hornqvist isn't much better—Hansen is a much better player. Plus, he's not a playmaker.
48 game Edler is rubbish.
48 games of elite Edler maybe. The other 34 games are still pretty solid. - Fosco
We both know, we view Edler as a different type of player, I know you are more high on him than I am.
I see him as a a player who was not good defensively last year and half of his career. I thought he stunk in last years playoffs. I see him as a player that when he is on his game looks like a top Dman in the league. I also see him as very average to poor on the nights when he is off his game. He is a player that plays 3 good games and sucks for 2 games . He has never had a 60 game terrific year.
So put the fact that he plays great part of the time only with he is a UFA next year and wants big money and I don't think his return will be that great . Combine that with you would be trading him for a shortened season and most GMs will pass.
I'm not saying he'll get a superstar in return, but Gill is garbage, and Hornqvist isn't much better—Hansen is a much better player. Plus, he's not a playmaker.
48 game Edler is rubbish.
48 games of elite Edler maybe. The other 34 games are still pretty solid. - Fosco
it's not a slight on Hodgson. I was, and still am a huge fan.
