You can name 3 to 10 smaller guys out of 10,000 drafted players, the odds are not in his favor. I'm not as optimistic as you are, to say the least. - LeftCoaster
I'm not sure it's all that fair to evaluate his offensive ability in the AHL.
He has never had any consistent linemates with any ability on a mediocre team yet he still puts up 40-50 points by himself while playing sound defensively. With his speed and skill I could see him playing much better (today) with the Nucks as opposed to the wolves.
We need to see how he performs with linemates and a team in general with talent before he's written off.
Huselius might be a fit skill-wise, but he's exactly what we don't need. He has a reputation for starting off hot during the start of the season and then struggling during the second half/playoffs. Not to mention that he's 34 years old. - Nucker101
What exactly is that?
History doesn't always repeat itself. His issues with cooling off later in the season are likely due to the fact he has injury issues. Is that bad? Yes. But I don't see a heck of a lot of other options for a playmaking winger out there. Seriously—there's almost nothing out there that the Canucks can acquire.
He fits what the Canucks' need quite well. There are also inherent risks, like with all FA's.
Give him a short-term deal to prove he still has something left in the tank.
I'm not sure it's all that fair to evaluate his offensive ability in the AHL.
He has never had any consistent linemates with any ability on a mediocre team yet he still puts up 40-50 points by himself while playing sound defensively. With his speed and skill I could see him playing much better (today) with the Nucks as opposed to the wolves.
We need to see how he performs with linemates and a team in general with talent before he's written off. - Whiskey-Tango
He's also done better than Hodgson has ever done in the AHL, apart from his small sample size this year, which is also in an infinitely more offensive minded system in Rochester.
Look what Hodgson did once he had NHL calibre linemates...
History doesn't always repeat itself. His issues with cooling off later in the season are likely due to the fact he has injury issues. Is that bad? Yes. But I don't see a heck of a lot of other options for a playmaking winger out there. Seriously—there's almost nothing out there that the Canucks can acquire.
He fits what the Canucks' need quite well. There are also inherent risks, like with all FA's.
Give him a short-term deal to prove he still has something left in the tank. - Fosco
That should read in the free agents market . I think the first month teams will be doing a lot of trading seeing there was a short off season to conduct business
That should read in the free agents market . I think the first month teams will be doing a lot of trading seeing there was a short off season to conduct business - VANTEL
Which teams have a glut of playmaking top-6 wingers that they'll be willing to give up for the table scraps that the Canucks have to offer?
He's also done better than Hodgson has ever done in the AHL, apart from his small sample size this year, which is also in an infinitely more offensive minded system in Rochester.
Look what Hodgson did once he had NHL calibre linemates... - Fosco
That's my point, the poor kid gets moved around each game from centering the 3rd to 1st to second line then randomly moved to the wings and yet has no one to pass to or receive a pass from. I honestly believe that if J.S could move into the second line winger position beside Kesler that he would be more successful points wise at the NHL level then with the wolves.
Worse comes to worse if he does not pan out he merely replaces Raymond as a perimeter sniper ( with a better shot and more heart nonetheless).
Not nessicarily those 4 players but something like that.
Swap 2 D and 2 RHF - VANTEL
Hornqvist is about as far from a playmaker as you can get.
Look at his goal/assist ratio. He only had one season where he had more assists than goals, and he only had 27 assists that season, which is his career high.
No offense, but I wouldn't trade Hansen alone for that package.
It's also a bit too early to be seriously thinking of Edler as an expendable asset.
It's fine to throw his name out in a proposal, but not what I'd call a serious/realistic option yet.
edit: any deal with Edler to NSH would have to include Ellis coming back as part of the package.
That's my point, the poor kid gets moved around each game from centering the 3rd to 1st to second line then randomly moved to the wings and yet has no one to pass to or receive a pass from. I honestly believe that if J.S could move into the second line winger position beside Kesler that he would be more successful points wise at the NHL level then with the wolves.
Worse comes to worse if he does not pan out he merely replaces Raymond as a perimeter sniper ( with a better shot and more heart nonetheless). - Whiskey-Tango
I'd be a bit reluctant to put him on the wing. Apart from his first 10-15 game stint with the Moose, all of the experiments with him on the wing have been underwhelming. I suppose it can't hurt to try him there for a few games with NHL linemates, though.
I still think he could play 3rd line centre, as long as they surround him with two big wingers.
History doesn't always repeat itself. His issues with cooling off later in the season are likely due to the fact he has injury issues. Is that bad? Yes. But I don't see a heck of a lot of other options for a playmaking winger out there. Seriously—there's almost nothing out there that the Canucks can acquire.
He fits what the Canucks' need quite well. There are also inherent risks, like with all FA's.
Give him a short-term deal to prove he still has something left in the tank. - Fosco
Fair enough, I did look at his post-all star game splits and there's only a small drop off in production(outside of 2007 when he struggled big time) during the second half of the season, but most of his injuries do seem to occur during the second half of the season and lately he's had a ton of problems staying healthy as he's gotten older. I do like that he's good on PP, and I just looked at his recent advanced stats and they look solid so I actually wouldn't mind him on a cheap one year deal.
Can't really blame MG for that one, a lot of Canucks fans were pumped when we picked him including myself since he was expected to go higher. I guess we all know why he was slipping now. Johansson would have been great, but apparently Rodin would have been our first round pick if Schroeder wasn't available. - Nucker101
He's also done better than Hodgson has ever done in the AHL, apart from his small sample size this year, which is also in an infinitely more offensive minded system in Rochester.
Look what Hodgson did once he had NHL calibre linemates... - Fosco
In all fairness, Hodgsons entire stay in the AHL was recovering from a career threatening injury. If he was as healthy as Schroeder,,, do you really think he wouldnt do as well as him? When he was mostly recovered, he was the best player on the team...until his orbital bone was broke...and then the rest of the season recovering again.
Fair enough, I did look at his post-all star game splits and there's only a small drop off in production(outside of 2007 when he struggled big time) during the second half of the season, but most of his injuries do seem to occur during the second half of the season and lately he's had a ton of problems staying healthy as he's gotten older. I do like that he's good on PP, and I just looked at his recent advanced stats and they look solid so I actually wouldn't mind him on a cheap one year deal. - Nucker101
That's the clincher. Too risky for anything longer, and if that's what he wants, pass.
I just don't see a lot of other options. If Edler is a goner, then he becomes a valuable trade chip, but their primary goal should be to re-sign him, and even if he is traded, there's not a lot of teams wanting to trade top-6 playmaking wingers.
Hornqvist is about as far from a playmaker as you can get.
Look at his goal/assist ratio. He only had one season where he had more assists than goals, and he only had 27 assists that season, which is his career high.
No offense, but I wouldn't trade Hansen alone for that package.
It's also a bit too early to be seriously thinking of Edler as an expendable asset.
It's fine to throw his name out in a proposal, but not what I'd call a serious/realistic option yet.
edit: any deal with Edler to NSH would have to include Ellis coming back as part of the package. - Fosco
Edler is a lame duck. He is a UFA next year , no team is going to give up their prize possesions. As I said, throw other names out there for the deal .Hornqvist was a 20 goal scorer the last 3 years.
The true Idea is you can trade Edler and another Canuck and get back a decent return. Many teams would trade.
