I am a rational thinker.. Id wager that most people would not know how to go about illegally obtaining a firearm. Id bet 85% (and thats me being gracious) wouldnt know how to obtain and illegal firearm.
- jak521

Well gee whiz thanks for impressing us with those fine assumptions, but next time you decide to pick a debate with someone, maybe have some substantial facts to back up your argument.

You are not a criminal obviously, nor very resourceful by the sounds of it either, do you think criminally minded people that want to obtain a gun illegally are going to stop once they realize they don't know how to get one?

Because you've never put any thought into it..... I never knew how to acquire drugs until I tried.
- golfingsince

This is exactly my point.. I DONT NEED TO PUT THOUGHT INTO IT! It is simply EASIER to just go to the armory and fill out a few papers.

Nearlly ALL of the mass shooting that occur in the US are done by legally owned firearms.

This is exactly my point.. I DONT NEED TO PUT THOUGHT INTO IT! It is simply EASIER to just go to the armory and fill out a few papers.

Nearlly ALL of the mass shooting that occur in the US are done by legally owned firearms.
- jak521

That stat just means that they were obtained legally by someone at some point, not the shooter himself.

This is exactly my point.. I DONT NEED TO PUT THOUGHT INTO IT! It is simply EASIER to just go to the armory and fill out a few papers.

Nearlly ALL of the mass shooting that occur in the US are done by legally owned firearms.
- jak521

Well that's brilliant. But felons can't exactly head down to Guss's gun emporium and fill out some paper work and get a gun of any kind.

Plenty of laws in place to control guns. Some would argue too many. You can't be that naive to say because someone kills someone with a gun that therefore there is no gun control. You must be more intelligent than that I hope.

Gun control laws are as tight and restricted as they've ever been in this country, why do you think the NRA feels constant threat that our constitutional rights are being trampled on?

Guns or not, society will always have idiots. Guns are simply a means to an end for a criminal. Take away guns and they'll use bombs. Take away bombs and they'll use something else etc..

So if I decided to drive my car down a busy high pedestrian traffic street down town at lunch time and kill a dozen people, should we ban automobiles as well?
- MnGump

(frank) the 2nd amendment. I bet you dont even know what reasoning behind it is because the main reason for it is not for personal protection. Ban handguns would be a nice start. We need change now.

Well gee whiz thanks for impressing us with those fine assumptions, but next time you decide to pick a debate with someone, maybe have some substantial facts to back up your argument.

You are not a criminal obviously, nor very resourceful by the sounds of it either, do you think criminally minded people that want to obtain a gun illegally are going to stop once they realize they don't know how to get one?
- MnGump

It all depends on what you mean by criminally minded people.. Nearly all of these mass shootings are done by people without a criminal record, who LEGALLY OWN the firearm. They didnt go and find some illegal weapon. Accessibility feeds into this behavior.. Need statistics to back that up? Fine.. There have been 31 school shooting in the United States since Columbine.. The rest of the world? 14

Given the conversation now, I have to ask. Does anyone know if the guns used in any of the past school shootings were legally owned by the jackasses who shot them?

The gov't can only go so far to "control" guns. There are guns everywhere and even if the gov't made them illegal there would still be guns in the world and the only result would be NO restrictions on them nor on who owns them. That being said, I am all for anyone legally trying to purchase a firearm to have to pass a background check (if they don't already b/c I don't know from state to state) or some other form of restriction to limit who can and can not own a firearm. But I would never support making guns illegal. This country already wastes enough money hopelessly trying to stop certain things, lets not add guns to that list.

Well that's brilliant. But felons can't exactly head down to Guss's gun emporium and fill out some paper work and get a gun of any kind.
- MnGump

Point out the last felon who committed a crime like this...

Given the conversation now, I have to ask. Does anyone know if the guns used in any of the past school shootings were legally owned by the jackasses who shot them?

The gov't can only go so far to "control" guns. There are guns everywhere and even if the gov't made them illegal there would still be guns in the world and the only result would be NO restrictions on them nor on who owns them. That being said, I am all for anyone legally trying to purchase a firearm to have to pass a background check (if they don't already b/c I don't know from state to state) or some other form of restriction to limit who can and can not own a firearm. But I would never support making guns illegal. This country already wastes enough money hopelessly trying to stop certain things, lets not add guns to that list.
- uf1910

And as I was writing this my question was already being answered.

Depends on your view.
- jak521

No it doesn't. and it's not hard to familiarize yourself with them if you take the notion to educate yourself. Each state has it's own laws but there are federal laws that canvas all states obviously. And they are all pretty stringent. Thorough personal back ground checks are conducted at any level of legalized gun purchasing. Felons obviously cannot buy, possess or own guns of any kind, but people even with petty legal history's can be denied a license to own or purchase.

And as I was writing this my question was already being answered.
- uf1910

http://www.washingtonpost...ngs-in-the-united-states/

(frank) the 2nd amendment. I bet you dont even know what reasoning behind it is because the main reason for it is not for personal protection. Ban handguns would be a nice start. We need change now.
- Cheeseballin

Spoken like a true wing nut liberal. Not real bright this one.

(frank) the 2nd amendment. I bet you dont even know what reasoning behind it is because the main reason for it is not for personal protection. Ban handguns would be a nice start. We need change now.
- Cheeseballin

You don't know what the pure intent of the 2nd amendment was any more than anyone else does. If we did, there'd most likely be a clause similar to "in the event that such and such is no longer a problem, this amendment would no longer be necessary". You can't assume what was on the founding fathers' minds.

Point out the last felon who committed a crime like this...
- jak521

That has nothing to do with the context of the argument.

No it doesn't. and it's not hard to familiarize yourself with them if you take the notion to educate yourself. Each state has it's own laws but there are federal laws that canvas all states obviously. And they are all pretty stringent. Thorough personal back ground checks are conducted at any level of legalized gun purchasing. Felons obviously cannot buy, possess or own guns of any kind, but people even with petty legal history's can be denied a license to own or purchase.
- MnGump

If you think a thorough back ground check is good enough than that is your opinion of gun control. I personally think that just a background check is a lack of gun control. So this person has never committed a violent crime... Thats good merit! Give'm a gun!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/
- jak521

Thanks

You don't know what the pure intent of the 2nd amendment was any more than anyone else does. If we did, there'd most likely be a clause similar to "in the event that such and such is no longer a problem, this amendment would no longer be necessary". You can't assume what was on the founding fathers' minds.
- buffalofan19

It was to insure if the government got out of control, too powerful. the citizens have guns to fight and overtake the government.

That has nothing to do with the context of the argument.
- MnGump

spoken like a true redneck repub. not real bright this one

That has nothing to do with the context of the argument.
- MnGump

It absolutely does. Most people who commit these crimes purchase guns legally.



If you make it harder to posses gun legally, and increase the ramifications of illegal possession of a firearm you will likely see a decrease in this type of incident. Statistically speaking anyway..

spoken like a true redneck repub. not real bright this one
- hnic

It has nothing to do with party.. I myself am a Repub.

Spoken like a true wing nut liberal. Not real bright this one.
- MnGump

Call me what you want. Less guns is better in my opinion not more

It has nothing to do with party.. I myself am a Repub.
- jak521

actually, it has quite alot to do with the party

actually, it has quite alot to do with the party
- hnic

in voting yes. in conversation and trash talk no.

It was to insure if the government got out of control, too powerful. the citizens have guns to fight and overtake the government.
- Cheeseballin

It's a theory, and probably mostly correct, but if it were illegal to own a gun, doesn't this cause what the founding fathers were trying to prevent? What's to stop the government from taking away liberties? They are already doing this with the Patriot Act Homeland Security Expansion that Obama signed not too long ago.

If you think a thorough back ground check is good enough than that is your opinion of gun control. I personally think that just a background check is a lack of gun control. So this person has never committed a violent crime... Thats good merit! Give'm a gun!
- jak521

Yup! That's our constitution! Love it or leave it! Just the same as having the right to get a drivers license!