Read the article. I really enjoyed the part about the players whining about giving up too much and not gaining anything...."In my mind the pension is the only thing we can point to as a gain"

They do understand they are locked out, and not on strike, right?

They keep acting as though they are in control and want just as much given to them, but that is not the case. The NHLPA is locked out so the NHL can get a realistic handle on wage hikes and control wage spending.

Seems pretty obvious.
- moondawg

So if you're locked out, you can't negotiate on the issues? That automatically means that the players who are locked out have to give in on every issue?

.....Ryan Miller? Can't tell if serious....

- Deadmau55

6th overall ranked fantasy Goalie.

.....Ryan Miller? Can't tell if serious....

- Deadmau55

Did you watch Ryan Miller in the Olympics?

Do you know who sat behind Miller?

Of course I am serious.

Again, the players speaking as if this were a player strike! This wasn't their choice and yet they're making out like they're calling the shots.
- MnGump

They haven't been? The NHL's entire game plan in this was to lock the players out/ Crush the Union. And gain massive concession in all areas. Isn't quite working out that way for them. They met their match in Fehr.

Also gone out of a Sabres uniform, Dererk Roy...
- MnGump

I would bet this single thing has made the Sabres better .

Bobby Ryan
- mrhattrick27

cherry hill is in nj.....

They haven't been? The NHL's entire game plan in this was to lock the players out/ Crush the Union. And gain massive concession in all areas. Isn't quite working out that way for them. They met their match in Fehr.
- MJL

Players have lost money they will never make back...and the owners will have massive gains in all areas.

I thought this was America?!

- Deadmau55

ehhh its becoming a socialist country

Players have lost money they will never make back...and the owners will have massive gains in all areas.
- flashfire

Owners have lost money they will never get back, and damage has been done to the League and sponsors, that could wind up costing the League even further. Which will also affect the players. We'll see if the owners get massive gains in all areas.

6th overall ranked fantasy Goalie.
- MnGump

I know what he was getting at and I congratulate him and his Kings and his goaltender on their achievment of course. I seen a goalie the ilk of Roloson get hot an almost win a cup. I want to see it again before I start putting the Kings goalie in the same breath as Miller, Lundquist etc...

I said "when on his game" I think Ryan Miller is the very best goaltender in the league then I would say Lundquist next.

Careful with Cooter.

He was born in AZ cuz his Dad was a minor league hockey journeyman.

Raised in Eastern Canada, mostly New Brunswick.

NOW A PHILLY LIFER

They haven't been? The NHL's entire game plan in this was to lock the players out/ Crush the Union. And gain massive concession in all areas. Isn't quite working out that way for them. They met their match in Fehr.
- MJL

Did you watch Ryan Miller in the Olympics?

Do you know who sat behind Miller?

Of course I am serious.
- BuffaloHardHat

you can say that about 20 goalies though....any goalie who is on top of their game can be considered top tier...problem with Miller is he is a head case and not consistant enough.

Careful with Cooter.

He was born in AZ cuz his Dad was a minor league hockey journeyman.

Raised in Eastern Canada, mostly New Brunswick.

NOW A PHILLY LIFER
- Coburns_Nose

Ahh. Very well then. Good call

NOW A PHILLY LIFER INDEED

Nice location

I know what he was getting at and I congratulate him and his Kings and his goaltender on their achievment of course. I seen a goalie the ilk of Roloson get hot an almost win a cup. I want to see it again before I start putting the Kings goalie in the same breath as Miller, Lundquist etc...

I said "when on his game" I think Ryan Miller is the very best goaltender in the league then I would say Lundquist next.
- BuffaloHardHat

I agree with much of this. I don't get why so many people dismiss Miller - when on his game, easily a top-5 goalie in the NHL. I would take him over Hiller any day.

Quick had a ridiculous playoffs. He posted numbers that you would only usually see in a video game. But it will be hard for him to be anywhere near the same level of play next season. It will be interesting to see how he goes.

you can say that about 20 goalies though....any goalie who is on top of their game can be considered top tier...problem with Miller is he is a head case and not consistant enough.
- Homer

Agree

They haven't been? The NHL's entire game plan in this was to lock the players out/ Crush the Union. And gain massive concession in all areas. Isn't quite working out that way for them. They met their match in Fehr.
- MJL

Yes, because having a lock out that lasts for half the season and possibly the whole season is winning. Good job Fehr.

I know what he was getting at and I congratulate him and his Kings and his goaltender on their achievment of course. I seen a goalie the ilk of Roloson get hot an almost win a cup. I want to see it again before I start putting the Kings goalie in the same breath as Miller, Lundquist etc...

I said "when on his game" I think Ryan Miller is the very best goaltender in the league then I would say Lundquist next.
- BuffaloHardHat

garth? is that you?

I agree with much of this. I don't get why so many people dismiss Miller - when on his game, easily a top-5 goalie in the NHL. I would take him over Hiller any day.

Quick had a ridiculous playoffs. He posted numbers that you would only usually see in a video game. But it will be hard for him to be anywhere near the same level of play next season. It will be interesting to see how he goes.
- niedermayer27

Miller's numbers don't show he is a top 5 anything

Owners have lost money they will never get back, and damage has been done to the League and sponsors, that could wind up costing the League even further. Which will also affect the players. We'll see if the owners get massive gains in all areas.
- MJL

Owners will get massive gains in all areas or the players will never play again

these teams are a hobby for these guys they won't come begging the players to come back

cherry hill is in nj.....
- dmarsden2988

Yea but you and I both know thats Philly territory in terms of the point that one guy was trying to make. C'mon now.

Owners have lost money they will never get back, and damage has been done to the League and sponsors, that could wind up costing the League even further. Which will also affect the players. We'll see if the owners get massive gains in all areas.
- MJL

And half of the owners won't lose money this year, if they don't play. Whats your point? It's cheaper to not have a season than lose millions.

But yeah, Fehr got them right where he wants them. Next they'll cancel the season, let me guess another win for Fehr.

Yes, because having a lock out that lasts for half the season and possibly the whole season is winning. Good job Fehr.
- moondawg

especially for the 200 guys that will never play again

#winning

I agree with much of this. I don't get why so many people dismiss Miller - when on his game, easily a top-5 goalie in the NHL. I would take him over Hiller any day.

Quick had a ridiculous playoffs. He posted numbers that you would only usually see in a video game. But it will be hard for him to be anywhere near the same level of play next season. It will be interesting to see how he goes.
- niedermayer27

Yep. Remember Jiggy after the Devils Cup finals. The following year wasn't so great. Teams watch film and learn.

you can say that about 20 goalies though....any goalie who is on top of their game can be considered top tier...problem with Miller is he is a head case and not consistant enough.
- Homer

Completely biased but when Hank's best is better than everyone else's best. Period.