I can see where you would be confused on it not being a contradiction. It's quite simple. If it's the best solution for everybody involved, there wouldn't be any objections to it.

Hindsight is 20/20. Easy to be a Monday morning QB.
- MJL

What we have here is a failure to communicate. Your train of thought is missing a few box cars. Your argument is that because not everyone liked it, it can't have been the best solution. You are basing the viability of a solution on a popularity contest? Do we need a 1-800 number to text our favorite solutions and solve this American Idol style?

It can be easy to be a monday morning QB but I have been a big fan of salary caps ever since the NFL went to it. That and nonguaranteed contracts. The system works. The Eagles would be stuck with Aso and Vick for another 3 years if they couldn't dump them. Aso and Vick will now be free to negotiate a market value contract for their skills (as they are now, not as the skills were years ago).

It's no cure for mismanagement but if you look at basketball, a bad contract there can leave a team without hope for 5+ years.

Regardless, as a monday morning QB, the players were wrong. There is no argument otherwise.

if each of us suck at our jobs or deemed expandable, we can get let go...why not bring that concept into the sports NHL world?
I do beleive every sport has this concept except the NHL.

it won't happen but it's nice side piece to discuss...

Games through December 30 have been cancelled... At this point just cancel the season, damage is done. Enough of the nonsensical charade that is being played by both sides.
- PLindbergh31

if each of us suck at our jobs or deemed expandable, we can get let go...why not bring that concept into the sports NHL world?
I do beleive every sport has this concept except the NHL.

it won't happen but it's nice side piece to discuss...
- phi1671

MLB has guaranteed contracts; a player can be released, but under limited circumstances - and even then, he still collects the full value of his contract (if he re-signs with someone else, the original team pays the difference between the original contract and the new contract).

if each of us suck at our jobs or deemed expandable, we can get let go...why not bring that concept into the sports NHL world?
I do beleive every sport has this concept except the NHL.

it won't happen but it's nice side piece to discuss...
- phi1671

I thought only the NFL could do this?

What we have here is a failure to communicate. Your train of thought is missing a few box cars. Your argument is that because not everyone liked it, it can't have been the best solution. You are basing the viability of a solution on a popularity contest? Do we need a 1-800 number to text our favorite solutions and solve this American Idol style?


- Flyers_01

My train of thought has more cars then yours does. Because I know that trying to place my beliefs on what I think is good for everyone involved, doesn't make it the case. And you also mistakenly think that I'm includng the American public as part of everybody. I'm not. Reality is that in this CBA negotiation, there are only 2 sides. The NHL and the NHLPA. And I think it's unlikely that the NHLPA would agree to non guaranteed contracts. So if it's good for everybody involved, why would the PA not agree to it. You even said yourself that you don't think they would. But please correct me if I'm wrong in stating that you said that.

It can be easy to be a monday morning QB but I have been a big fan of salary caps ever since the NFL went to it. That and nonguaranteed contracts. The system works. The Eagles would be stuck with Aso and Vick for another 3 years if they couldn't dump them. Aso and Vick will now be free to negotiate a market value contract for their skills (as they are now, not as the skills were years ago).

It's no cure for mismanagement but if you look at basketball, a bad contract there can leave a team without hope for 5+ years.

- Flyers_01

Good! Teams should be punished for mismanagment. That's one of the biggest reasons the NHL is in a lockout. Maybe if management of some teams did a better job, those teams would be a more viable and profitable franchise. And the NHL would be stronger financially

Regardless, as a monday morning QB, the players were wrong. There is no argument otherwise.
- Flyers_01

Just so there is no miscomunication. What exactly were the players wrong about.

And to the Mods. I beleive I accidentally reported this post trying to hit the quote button,

My train of thought has more cars then yours does. Because I know that trying to place my beliefs on what I think is good for everyone involved, doesn't make it the case. And you also mistakenly think that I'm includng the American public as part of everybody. I'm not. Reality is that in this CBA negotiation, there are only 2 sides. The NHL and the NHLPA. And I think it's unlikely that the NHLPA would agree to non guaranteed contracts. So if it's good for everybody involved, why would the PA not agree to it. You even said yourself that you don't think they would. But please correct me if I'm wrong in stating that you said that.



Good! Teams should be punished for mismanagment. That's one of the biggest reasons the NHL is in a lockout. Maybe if management of some teams did a better job, those teams would be a more viable and profitable franchise. And the NHL would be stronger financially



Just so there is no miscomunication. What exactly were the players wrong about.

And to the Mods. I beleive I accidentally reported this post trying to hit the quote button,
- MJL

How did the NFL get to non-guaranteed contracts? I'm not sure but that route should have been explored in this CBA. The NFL has the best system in place. They have signing bonuses which still lines the players pockets but doesn't affect the cap. Perhaps a ratio where the the signing bonus can only amount to a certain percentage of the full contract's total payout, reducing cap circumvention.

How did the NFL get to non-guaranteed contracts? I'm not sure but that route should have been explored in this CBA. The NFL has the best system in place. They have signing bonuses which still lines the players pockets but doesn't affect the cap. Perhaps a ratio where the the signing bonus can only amount to a certain percentage of the full contract's total payout, reducing cap circumvention.
- Just5

The bolded is false. Signing bonuses impact the cap, but get spread out over the life of the contract; in fact, they're the only guaranteed part of the contract. It's why players want as much money in signing bonuses as possible, and why teams don't have a problem with that - they pay out the money now, and realize the cost over time.

It's also how the 49ers were carrying something like $23 million in dead cap space for years - which was a problem when the cap was less than $90 million.

I thought only the NFL could do this?
- Dkos

Doesn't baseball have some type of waiver process?
even that will work, put him on waivers for the purpose of letting the player go.

i think if he goes to the minors in baseball his salary is not reflected towards the calculations of the luxary tax. The same if he is release...(naturally).

in hockey...
now they want to include everything. release the player if he opts out to allow him to search for a NHL job somewhere else. and the contract is not counted towards the cap

Won't the Rangers be up poop creek just as bad?? What is Reddens salary? Unless i am forgetting something here which is very possible

How did the NFL get to non-guaranteed contracts? I'm not sure but that route should have been explored in this CBA. The NFL has the best system in place. They have signing bonuses which still lines the players pockets but doesn't affect the cap. Perhaps a ratio where the the signing bonus can only amount to a certain percentage of the full contract's total payout, reducing cap circumvention.
- Just5

The NHL is completely against money outside the system.

It seems that this whole lockout was solely to help the bottom struggling teams and to hurt the successful ones. They should go with a soft cap.

It seems that this whole lockout was solely to help the bottom struggling teams and to hurt the successful ones. They should go with a soft cap.
- tk71

The NHL has said no to anything resembling that. That said, you should define "hurt the successful ones" - if it's "... and prevents them from spending more money," I'd agree. If it's "... and prevents them from making more money," most of the high-revenue teams are virtually printing money as opposed to bleeding it like a stuck pig in the pre-cap era.

The NHL has said no to anything resembling that. That said, you should define "hurt the successful ones" - if it's "... and prevents them from spending more money," I'd agree. If it's "... and prevents them from making more money," most of the high-revenue teams are virtually printing money as opposed to bleeding it like a stuck pig in the pre-cap era.
- Irish Blues

I was referring to the nhl preventing them from spending.

leafs
- Crimsoninja

This!

Personally and maybe I'm biased because I'm a flyers fan but I like teams being able to spend as much as possible. Preventing them from doing so IMO would be like telling teams that have fast skaters to dull the blades on said players skates. Is that what's next? That's not to say some teams are not disadvantaged they are in terms of revenue, so go with a luxury tax then. Teams can compete without spending to the gills if they draft really well too.

Will it work I can't be 100% but trying something different will be better than having a stinking lockout every 7 years.

A cap ceiling with a 2 for 1 luxury tax for overages, coupled with a drastically lowered floor is a logical solution.

However, no one has ever accused the NHL of being logical. You can even put in a provision that teams floors must be raised from the minimum by a % of whatever amount of money they receive from luxury tax payments or some such rule. There are so many simple solutions.

We are just going to be right back here when this CBA expires. And again after that....if the NHL even exists by that point.

Yeah. I hear you. I don't believe there will be a season. Time will tell.
- PLindbergh31

Hope is fading for sure.