I'm flabbergasted that people are blaming one side, the NHL is acting like a dictatorship, in union negotiations you don't give a yes or no and like children pull everything off the table then and expect a union not to make a counter proposal, how insulting is sending a voice mail refusing it, that is plain arrogance. Can you believe anything Bettman says?

As for Fehr, he is squeezing and squeezing, not standing down, his best interest is not the game, the players behind him yesterday thought they were close, there was no lie. The problem is, the group behind him was players making a lot of coin and really didn't speak for the lesser lites in the league.

The whole situation is toxic, not wanting a union leader in the room is absolutely asinine, the players pay him to represent them and it is their right, for the NHL to say it is a deal breaker is childish.

What I saw yesterday was two gown men acting like children, the best interest of the game has been lost on them and now has become personal, it is egos that is the problem, the sooner all involved are removed the better we will get back the great game it once was.

Both side have the fans blood on their hands.
- LeafMan

I really dont care anymore LM

the players in comparison to most people will make out like bandits with the worst possible offer

but they want more.. me me me

sure its their right.. but its also my right to say they are spoiled and are completely out of touch with reality.

Players: "your offer isnt good enough even tho it pays me millions to play a game and comes with full benefits for not only myself, but my family."

(frank)ing absurd. those bastards should consider themselves lucky to play hockey for a living even if they only made 50G a year.

they dont know how good they got it

Burn has been 100% pro player from the get go an will spin it any way he can to confirm that bias.
- robin_steele264

yeah i know

the owners pulled their own offer

true.. but only after the union tried changing it

spinning of words.. nothing more.

Not what I saw yesterday on social media, the NHL took the brunt of the fans ire.
- LeafMan

I disagree.


From everything I've seen most fans are sick of the PA.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/owners-statements-on-cba-talks/article6073132/?service=mobile
- burn

so the owners said they were "pleased" with the negotiations.. BEFORE Fehr and Bettman came back in

out of date info man.

I disagree.


From everything I've seen most fans are sick of the PA.
- robin_steele264

The tides are definitely turning...

yeah i know

the owners pulled their own offer

true.. but only after the union tried changing it

spinning of words.. nothing more.
- Dozzer

Yeah. Exactly.


It's as if the owners made the offer, players accepted, and the owners said no.


Damned moderate owners!

The tides are definitely turning...
- JIMI-JAMES

Honestly it doesn't seem to make a lick of a difference who's side is more or less popular.


Neither really cares.

I'm flabbergasted that people are blaming one side, the NHL is acting like a dictatorship, in union negotiations you don't give a yes or no and like children pull everything off the table then expect a union not to make a counter proposal, how insulting is sending a voice mail refusing it, that is plain arrogance. Can you believe anything Bettman says?

As for Fehr, he is squeezing and squeezing, not standing down, his best interest is not the game, the players behind him yesterday thought they were close, there was no lie. The problem is, the group behind him was players making a lot of coin and really didn't speak for the lesser lites in the league.

The whole situation is toxic, not wanting a union leader in the room is absolutely asinine, the players pay him to represent them and it is their right, for the NHL to say it is a deal breaker is childish.

What I saw yesterday was two gown men acting like children, the best interest of the game has been lost on them and now has become personal, it is egos that is the problem, the sooner all involved are removed the better we will get back the great game it once was.

Both sides have the fans blood on their hands.
- LeafMan

This.

Yeah. Exactly.


It's as if the owners made the offer, players accepted, and the owners said no.


Damned moderate owners!
- robin_steele264

thats what the PA and PA friendly folk are trying to say

they tend to leave out the part where they tried changing it.

I disagree.


From everything I've seen most fans are sick of the PA.
- robin_steele264

Take a look at the hash tags and not who you follow.

The fans want the the people in charge removed as much as they want hockey back. Even watching the news last night, not TSN or Sportsnet, but CTV said they are not allowed to read what people are saying about Bettman and the NHL, again it is toxic. I want Bettman, Daly, and both Fehr's to go away and never come anywhere near hockey again.

Take a look what was trending last night, it was #firebettman

I disagree.


From everything I've seen most fans are sick of the PA.
- robin_steele264

Agreed, I sure am, Fehr is ruining it, and MUST BE ON COMMISSION.

Burn has been 100% pro player from the get go an will spin it any way he can to confirm that bias.
- robin_steele264

I'm spinning nothing. I've been critical of both sides, pro league cannot say that though. Even when they are criticizing the pa for doing the same thing.


Bias only on one side, and its not this side.

Honestly it doesn't seem to make a lick of a difference who's side is more or less popular.


Neither really cares.
- robin_steele264

That pressor from bettman will be the standout memory of this BS in years to come...the turning point for better or worse

Impression I got is that fans are upset that the owners took their offer from the table. But why keep it available, if it was rejected?
- PatC80

How about negotiating rather than acting a baby and taking yor ball and going home? Maybe...

Does Fehr know how many people are out of work because of this process. For him to say, again, hold out is so wrong on so many levels..

Poor leadership for this prpocess..

Take a look at the hash tags and not who you follow.

The fans want the the people in charge removed as much as they want hockey back. Even watching the news last night, not TSN or Sportsnet, but CTV said they are not allowed to read what people are saying about Bettman and the NHL, again it is toxic. I want Bettman, Daly, and both Fehr's to go away and never come anywhere near hockey again.
- LeafMan

here's the thing

i expect the owners to be the bad guys.. they are rich billionaires.. they didnt become that way being nice

the players owe their talent to their damn gene pool. they are lucky to be able to play a game for a living.. even the worst possible offer from the owners is still a very good living. (frank) em. they are spoiled brats.

at least the owners havent tried playing the poor me card.. thats the kind of thing i find nauseating

so the owners said they were "pleased" with the negotiations.. BEFORE Fehr and Bettman came back in

out of date info man.
- Dozzer

Everyone thought they were close.

here's the thing

i expect the owners to be the bad guys.. they are rich billionaires.. they didnt become that way being nice

the players owe their talent to their damn gene pool. they are lucky to be able to play a game for a living.. even the worst possible offer from the owners is still a very good living. (frank) em. they are spoiled brats.

at least the owners havent tried playing the poor me card.. thats the kind of thing i find nauseating
- Dozzer

Agreed. I am cheering for the owners now, totally.

Does Fehr know how many people are out of work because of this process. For him to say, again, hold out is so wrong on so many levels..

Poor leadership for this prpocess..
- bixll

Poor leadership on both sides, picking and choosing one side when both are acting like fools doesn't make sense.

That pressor from bettman will be the standout memory of this BS in years to come...the turning point for better or worse
- JIMI-JAMES

Never seen him that agitated before. He's normally pretty cool and collected.


Seems many of the owners felt the same.

here's the thing

i expect the owners to be the bad guys.. they are rich billionaires.. they didnt become that way being nice

the players owe their talent to their damn gene pool. they are lucky to be able to play a game for a living.. even the worst possible offer from the owners is still a very good living. (frank) em. they are spoiled brats.

at least the owners havent tried playing the poor me card.. thats the kind of thing i find nauseating
- Dozzer

It is like each are spitting Cobras, the venom sprays all over.

How about negotiating rather than acting a baby and taking yor ball and going home? Maybe...
- burn

the owners propose something and the union asks for more.. the owners propse something else and the players ask for more so the owners propose another offer and the players ask for more

why the (frank) would the owners continue to propse offers? the union is just going to ask for more by default

the only way to beat fehr and his BS tactics is to wait for him to either dissolve the union or make a reasonable offer. he will alwys ask for more from any offer thats proposed to him

Poor leadership on both sides, picking and choosing one side when both are acting like fools doesn't make sense.
- LeafMan

To me, I can only take the side of the owners ,Sorry if that makes no ense to you, but I can't see the players side at all. It is the tail wagging the dog. That does not work. Franks the dog up big time.

thats what the PA and PA friendly folk are trying to say

they tend to leave out the part where they tried changing it.
- Dozzer

Who left anything out? I said exactly that.


Funny how you seem to forget that it's the league that walked away from this. How do they get no blame?

Everyone thought they were close.
- burn

then Fehr stepped back in and used his typical, no, we can get more tactic

he's a cancer