@TSNBobMcKenzie: I can tell you there's a hugely negative vibe emanating from both sides right now. Keeping this process on rails today will be challenging.

Did he get in another bar brawl ?
- Maximum Signal

Inconsistant play. That coach will have no part of it. What Kassian needs IMO.

According to Bob McKenzie on Twitter, "@TSNBobMcKenzie: PA doesn't like 5 yr term limits on contracts or 10 yr term of CBA or fact that Make Whole bump to $300M is tied to accepting 10 yr CBA."

I don't get it. Why would players not want a long term CBA deal? If there's another CBA in 5 years, it's not the players who are going on Strike, it will be another lock out. So players will lose again.

I think it's Fehr wanting something to do in 5 years as he knows in 10 years he will be retired.
- l3ig_l2ecl

So basically what you're telling me is that on the 3 core issues of this new CBA, the players are unhappy with any of them?

What a joke.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: I can tell you there's a hugely negative vibe emanating from both sides right now. Keeping this process on rails today will be challenging.
- bradjc

According to Bob McKenzie on Twitter, "@TSNBobMcKenzie: PA doesn't like 5 yr term limits on contracts or 10 yr term of CBA or fact that Make Whole bump to $300M is tied to accepting 10 yr CBA."

I don't get it. Why would players not want a long term CBA deal? If there's another CBA in 5 years, it's not the players who are going on Strike, it will be another lock out. So players will lose again.

I think it's Fehr wanting something to do in 5 years as he knows in 10 years he will be retired.
- l3ig_l2ecl

It's my understanding, and could be wrong about this. But Fehr is signed on a Executive Director of the PA just for this CBA negotiation. And is going to leave the position when it's done. Again, I could be wrong, but I remember reading that somewhere.

THEN WHY NOT JUST LEAVING??? GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!
- Le_Moderateur

As so well put by you many times STFU !

Hmmm. you should steer clear of this.
- Fountain-San

Yeah I suppose you are right

- Giroux_Is_God

According to Bob McKenzie on Twitter, "@TSNBobMcKenzie: PA doesn't like 5 yr term limits on contracts or 10 yr term of CBA or fact that Make Whole bump to $300M is tied to accepting 10 yr CBA."

I don't get it. Why would players not want a long term CBA deal? If there's another CBA in 5 years, it's not the players who are going on Strike, it will be another lock out. So players will lose again.

I think it's Fehr wanting something to do in 5 years as he knows in 10 years he will be retired.
- l3ig_l2ecl

Because the players are f-in retarded.

Biggest peice of evidence that the players are overpaid? They actually beleive the deserve the money. Like a spoiled rich kid hoping for his parents to die.

As so well put by you many times STFU !
- Maximum Signal

HAHAHAHAHA NEVER!!

@TSNBobMcKenzie: I can tell you there's a hugely negative vibe emanating from both sides right now. Keeping this process on rails today will be challenging.
- bradjc

Nothing New!! NEXT

well it confirmed the season is cancelled Bettman and Fehr are back at the table........ face to face
- Alexzanki

hey man enough. take it somewhere else!!

Cmon dude. Really? Bettman aint going anywhere. He did exactly what he had to do. It was pretty obvious the day the NHLPA hired Fehr well over a year ago that this was going to be a brawl & the players wanted blood because for some reason their perception was they got bent over pretty bad in 2004. In reality they didnt, but one thing I have learned in business over the years, perception is reality. This negotiation was a game & it took two to play.
- Kevin R

I Agree. In early summer, Bettman/Owners offered a proposal that was outrageous to some, but in reality, it simply showed where he wanted to be. He offered 43% of revenues, because he knew it would be 50/50 in the end. The problem was Fehr who wasted time. If he had worked towards the 50% mark, we wouldn't be in December without hockey.
Example is Owners wanting $211mil of makewhole and players ironically want $389mil. 50% of that is $300mil. Owners countered to that in order not to waste time. If players are smart they will accept it. Unfortunately, it seems the owners might have given in too soon, so likely Ferh will ask for more and screw things up.

Bettman as much as we hate him, has tried to set the whole grounds work for this. The 50/50 mark was there from the start. Damages from the Lockout is on the PA. I'm OK with the makewhole, NHL should pay some.

Because the players are f-in retarded.

Biggest peice of evidence that the players are overpaid? They actually beleive the deserve the money. Like a spoiled rich kid hoping for his parents to die.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Why don't they deserve the money?

So basically what you're telling me is that on the 3 core issues of this new CBA, the players are unhappy with any of them?

What a joke.
- Giroux_Is_God

That's what Bobby said...

I'm OK with them not being happy with the 5year contracts. I just don't get why unhappy with the 10year CBA. They should be happy with it long as according to Fehr, they will keep getting a 7% raise each year.

Get HockeyyInsiderr in there and make it a group hug
- BulliesPhan87

It would be funnier if it was a circle jerk

Bet the players wished they'd signed a 15 year CBA last time around.

5+ year deals effect so few players compared to the entire PA it'd be ridiculous for that to be some kind of final immovable roadblock. The 5% variance is a similar thing IMO.

That's what Bobby said...

I'm OK with them not being happy with the 5year contracts. I just don't get why unhappy with the 10year CBA. They should be happy with it long as according to Fehr, they will keep getting a 7% raise each year.
- l3ig_l2ecl

I wish we all got 7% raises every year!!!

Realistically I think there's a 50-50 shot this gets done in time to salvage a season.
- The-O-G

way to go out on a limb

I Agree. In early summer, Bettman/Owners offered a proposal that was outrageous to some, but in reality, it simply showed where he wanted to be. He offered 43% of revenues, because he knew it would be 50/50 in the end. The problem was Fehr who wasted time. If he had worked towards the 50% mark, we wouldn't be in December without hockey.
Example is Owners wanting $211mil of makewhole and players ironically want $389mil. 50% of that is $300mil. Owners countered to that in order not to waste time. If players are smart they will accept it. Unfortunately, it seems the owners might have given in too soon, so likely Ferh will ask for more and screw things up.

Bettman as much as we hate him, has tried to set the whole grounds work for this. The 50/50 mark was there from the start. Damages from the Lockout is on the PA. I'm OK with the makewhole, NHL should pay some.
- l3ig_l2ecl

The ground work that Bettman and the NHL set going way back to the Summer, was to set an environment that saw the League wanting to crush the Union, and take from them in every area. It's only been since the NHL relented from their "our way or the highway" stance that any progress has been made. The NHL failed from the get go to recognize that a negotiation that creates labor harmony is how everyone makes out in the long run.

Why don't they deserve the money?
- MJL

because nobody watches their sport (in comparison to the Big 3)

Why don't they deserve the money?
- MJL

Oh you have GOT to be kidding me MJL.

It is no secret ALL athletes in ANY sport are vastly overpaid (ok maybe except for the scrubs makin 625k).

You can't possibly think anyone deserves to be handed a $125 million to merely play a game, right?

RIGHT??

The ground work that Bettman and the NHL set going way back to the Summer, was to set an environment that saw the League wanting to crush the Union, and take from them in every area. It's only been since the NHL relented from their "our way or the highway" stance that any progress has been made. The NHL failed from the get go to recognize that a negotiation that creates labor harmony is how everyone makes out in the long run.
- MJL

Do you think if Bettman offered 50% on the league's first offer that the PA would have ever gone to 50%?

Why are there so many people walking on that "rollercoaster"?

The ground work that Bettman and the NHL set going way back to the Summer, was to set an environment that saw the League wanting to crush the Union, and take from them in every area. It's only been since the NHL relented from their "our way or the highway" stance that any progress has been made. The NHL failed from the get go to recognize that a negotiation that creates labor harmony is how everyone makes out in the long run.
- MJL

Are you (frank)ing kidding me?

How can a any human with a functioning brain think the way you do?

Dude, have you ever negotiated anything in your life?

Buy a car. It's 20k msrp. You need it to drop by 2k. Do you go to the sales guy and ask "I need 2 k off? NO, because he will say, I can only do 500. You might then be able to push $250 more.
Instead, you go, I need 4K off to make a deal. He looks and laughs. He can't. You then ask what can he do. So he gives you $1000. You tell him that wont do. You say you might be able with 3000 off. He goes talk to his boss, comes back and gives you the 2K you really wanted from the start. Worst case scenario is, he offeres 1K off, but gives you winter tires, fills up the gas, a first oil change on him, winter mats, etc...