Bingo. If this falls through I'm really done, if hockey comes back, great. If not I have more important things to get to.
- Deadmau55

Like what?? Dude if they dont play this year you will be back next year.... Stop lying to yourself

Actually, I really cared until the day it came back.......then i didn't.
- golfingsince

Back then, they should have replaced the players with Scabs, give them prescribed Steroids, next thing you know, it would be the same as if no one had ever left.

Ok but it comes out of your half and not mine. She was very insistent on that point
- Canada Cup

These negotiations are getting complicated!

Let's break for lunch.

Ok but it comes out of your half and not mine. She was very insistent on that point
- Canada Cup

Does HRR = Herpes Related Rash ?

Like what?? Dude if they dont play this year you will be back next year.... Stop lying to yourself
- Flyers_1488

Did I ever say I wasn't going to be back next year?

These negotiations are getting complicated!

Let's break for lunch.
- The-O-G

cockus?

If the industry they're in generates a poop ton of money, than yea, I think those guys "deserve" the money owners are willing to pay them, regardless of whether they're doing anything constructive for humanity or whatever.
- eayost

so walmart and mcdonalds employees should be millionaires?

There's negotiating and then there's negotiating in good faith. Up until very recently, the NHLPA has done very little of the latter.
- buffalofan19

Ditto for the NHL

so walmart and mcdonalds employees should be millionaires?
- SpoiledByOil

If they were the product -- yes

If they were the product -- yes
- Canada Cup

Hmm so everyone on facebook should get paid for using it since they are essentially the product?

Well it seems the big hang up right now is still the owners firmly proposed contract terms of 5 years w/ 5% max variance. The owners also expanded the make whole offer by $89 million which the players apparently scoffed at because the offer is based on the agreement of a 10 year CBA.

I think the players need quit while they're ahead here. Let's face it, the 5 year contract issue is not even going to affect the vast majority of the players. So obviously this is mostly coming from the top and to me that really shows how greedy these guys are. Many of them already signed their posh and cushy life long deals so why the hell do they care at this point? Besides they can get a 7 year deal if they resign with the same team.

I just don't understand the mentality here, the league is making concessions and it's just not enough for the players. The players are spoiled and want to continue to reap the benefits of the last CBA. At some point soon they need to wake up and realize this is for the betterment and future sustainability for the entire league, not just their ability to maximize their earning potential which I might add is not exactly peanuts these days even with the league proposed issues.

Hmm so everyone on facebook should get paid for using it since they are essentially the product?
- mighty13duck

No, everyone on facebook should get a loser tatoo.

Did I ever say I wasn't going to be back next year?
- Deadmau55

No but I did

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was a diehard baseball fan before they ended the season prematurely. I haven't watched 20 games since.
- golfingsince

baseball is not hockey...my point was if you didn't care you wouldn't be here.

I am as pissed as the next guy but seriously, anyone that will talk about the lockout on a message board is not going to give up hockey when its actually back on the ice.

Ex-girlfriend analogy is a good one...she dumped us but is really hot and if she asks to get back together we are all suckers

Hmm so everyone on facebook should get paid for using it since they are essentially the product?
- mighty13duck

People still use facebook?

baseball is not hockey...my point was if you didn't care you wouldn't be here.

I am as pissed as the next guy but seriously, anyone that will talk about the lockout on a message board is not going to give up hockey when its actually back on the ice.

Ex-girlfriend analogy is a good one...she dumped us but is really hot and if she asks to get back together we are all suckers
- flashfire

Sometimes you just wanna nail her one last time. Anyways, it's a little complicated for me because I waited on a list for 6 years just to get a half season. Now is probably the best chance I'll get to go to a full season, but I couldn't care less about the NHL this year.

Well it seems the big hang up right now is still the owners firmly proposed contract terms of 5 years w/ 5% max variance. The owners also expanded the make whole offer by $89 million which the players apparently scoffed at because the offer is based on the agreement of a 10 year CBA.

I think the players need quit while they're ahead here. Let's face it, the 5 year contract issue is not even going to affect the vast majority of the players. So obviously this is mostly coming from the top and to me that really shows how greedy these guys are. Many of them already signed their posh and cushy life long deals so why the hell do they care at this point? Besides they can get a 7 year deal if they resign with the same team.

I just don't understand the mentality here, the league is making concessions and it's just not enough for the players. The players are spoiled and want to continue to reap the benefits of the last CBA. At some point soon they need to wake up and realize this is for the betterment and future sustainability for the entire league, not just their ability to maximize their earning potential which I might add is not exactly peanuts these days even with the league proposed issues.
- MnGump

good post

i seriously hope it's just a negotiating ploy at this point more so than they actually dont think the owners have come far enough.
if so, stick a fork in this season.
a good negotiator needs to not only push for the best possible deal he can get for his employers. which fehr has done. he also needs to know when to sign the deal

Not all the players are involved in the conference calls. I believe they're optional except maybe for the player reps. And just because Hartnell got the emails doesn't mean he read them.
- buffalofan19

yea! and not all the players have emails, because you know they're so hard done by that not all of them can afford it

Players like security. They want the ability to maximize their earning potential. The more restrictions on contracts, the harder that is to do. Top players can earn top dollar for longer contracts. There is always the risk of injury playing this game.
- MJL

Yeah, understood. You and others are right about long term security in a longer contract.

Guess what big guy, both parties are now agreeing on a 50/50 are they not????????????????????????????

So how was it a good ideal for Fehr not to drop towards that 50/50?

Like I said many times in the last few posts, it was always going to be 50/50. So how is keeping at 57%, or going back to 57% a good strategy? How can it not be blamed for slowing down the process of getting to 50%?
- l3ig_l2ecl

I thought you said you understood negotiations? The players agreed in principle a long time ago to 50/50. It was a question of how to get there while also honoring existing contracts.
How would giving in on 50/50 while the NHL is still not willing to give you any concessions on contract issues, be a good strategy? Negotiations are a give and take. Why would the players give anything, when the NHL is not willing to give them anything in return? You hold on to things as leverage to get something elsewhere. Pretty basic stuff.

If they were the product -- yes
- Canada Cup

ok then pornstars should make millions a year? really they should be making 3-4 times more than hockey players, since the porn industry is 3-4 times bigger

it's a lockout.
were u expecting some of the previous deal to actually get BETTER for the players?
what could they have offered? more time to 50/50? kinda defeats the purpose of the lockout and changing the system doesnt it?. less restrictions on contracts? kinda defeats the purpose of the lockout and to change the system they feel isnt working doesnt it?.

again, it's a lockout. the owners arent happy with the previous deal.
there were never any misconceptions here. are you sure you understand what bargaining in good faith means?
- hugefemale dog77

No, I would expect the players to be able to keep some of the things they've had in the past, versus giving in on everything. It's a negotiation. And if you're expecting the players to give in every area, because the Owners feel the system isn't working, to the Owner's side. To the complete detriment of the players. Then I think you need to reasses and make sure you understand what bargaining in good faith is.

Look, if they would have even moved slowly, I could sympathize. The fact is that they never left 57% at all. If the NHLPA would have gone from 57% to 56% to 55%, then you at least make the impression that you're negotiating in good faith. If their want to stick to 57%, fine, that's their business, but don't insult my intelligence by telling me you've given up all you can and you don't understand what the owners want, when anyone with an IQ of 36 can see that 57% is way too high to sustain.
- buffalofan19

You're completely wrong. The players counter offer to the Owner's Make Whole offer absolutely left 57%

I think he's the last person around that still beleives the current CBA should have been renued for another 10 years without the players making less money.

He will quote my statement and say "How do you know what I think?", but with the last weeks of argument, I think it's a safe conclusion.
- l3ig_l2ecl

If you're referring to me here. You couldn't be more incorrect. I'm on record numerous times agreeing that the ratio should be 50/50.

ok then pornstars should make millions a year? really they should be making 3-4 times more than hockey players, since the porn industry is 3-4 times bigger
- SpoiledByOil

Hell of a lot easier to find an Adult film Actress then to find a player who can play Hockey like Sindey Crosby can. Or can score goals liek Steven Stamkos can.