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atlsabsfan
Location: IN
Joined: 06.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 8:46 AM ET
I really want them to wait until the bowls are done to start playing hockey.

Goat Tang - eff the Sens

- atlsabsfan



From John Vogl in Buffalo News...

Sabres' Miller: 'I can't make sense of what the owners truly need because they want everything'
December 3, 2012 - 2:33 PM

Ryan Miller hopes he gets a chance to talk to six NHL owners Tuesday. It might give him a better idea of how the lockout will finally end.

“I can't make sense of what the owners truly need because they want everything,” the Buffalo Sabres’ goaltender wrote today during an exchange of text messages. “That is why it seems like the finish line is moving.”

Miller is among a large group of players who will gather Tuesday in New York City when negotiations between the league and the NHL Players’ Association resume. In a new dynamic, six owners and Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly will meet with six players and union special counsel Steve Fehr. The leaders of the respective sides, Commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr, will not take part.

“I don't entirely agree with leaving the heads of negotiation out of this because they are paid to make a deal,” Miller wrote. “But if it gets more owners involved then so be it.”

Owners Ronald Burkle of the Pittsburgh Penguins, Mark Chipman of the Winnipeg Jets, Jeffery Vinik of the Tampa Bay Lightning and Larry Tanenbaum of the Toronto Maple Leafs will join regular league negotiators Jeremy Jacobs of the Boston Bruins and Murray Edwards of the Calgary Flames at the table. The NHLPA has not announced which players will take part in talks and probably will not do so until Tuesday.

“A lot of guys want the opportunity,” Miller wrote. “I hope we all get a better feel of what each side truly needs. On our side anyone can talk to the media or attend meetings, so I am hopeful that having more owners join the conversation we can get somewhere and break up this monopoly 4-5 owners have had on deal making.

“I am really disappointed that no moderate owners have stopped the madness. Hopefully they will after the board of governors convene.”

This figures to be a big week for the labor stalemate. In addition to Tuesday’s gathering, the NHL’s board of governors meets Wednesday. Also, more games are expected to be canceled Friday if a collective bargaining agreement is not in place.

“There has been a deal available for months,” Miller wrote. “We all expected things to fall into a negotiation after reaching 50/50 [in regards to splitting revenue] but it hasn't. The owners want too much from us and we have to make a stand. We appreciate the chance to play in the NHL but we have to protect our players.”

The sides have gotten closer in terms of finances, but contracting rights have become a major roadblock. The NHL’s most recent proposals would increase the age for free agency, limit contract lengths and control how much salaries fluctuate from year to year.

“I am confused by the hard line on contracting,” Miller wrote. “My only guess is Gary wants to limit General Managers so he won't have anymore loophole type surprises in this CBA. I understand that position to the extent you don't want contracts to cripple a team, but they are really taking away team building as a skill. Skilled GMs will have to identify how to balance a budget instead of building a well balanced winner.

“What I haven't heard anyone talking about is the fact that under the NHL proposal the NHL becomes a 2 tier salary league. The middle class is gone and that means shorter careers and in my opinion mediocre hockey.”

Last month, Miller told the Globe and Mail the lockout has been more about “brand suicide” than negotiating. He figures the NHL believes everyone will just forget about the lockout once games resume.

“I think they are counting on people to have short memories,” Miller wrote. “Just like politicians who flip-flop on an issue, the owners believe the fans will return and be caught up in hockey... Everything forgiven or at least forgotten once pucks drop."

---John Vogl

Dwight K. Schrute
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Sully sucks, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Dec 4 @ 10:05 AM ET
From John Vogl in Buffalo News...

Sabres' Miller: 'I can't make sense of what the owners truly need because they want everything'
December 3, 2012 - 2:33 PM

Ryan Miller hopes he gets a chance to talk to six NHL owners Tuesday. It might give him a better idea of how the lockout will finally end.

“I can't make sense of what the owners truly need because they want everything,” the Buffalo Sabres’ goaltender wrote today during an exchange of text messages. “That is why it seems like the finish line is moving.”

Miller is among a large group of players who will gather Tuesday in New York City when negotiations between the league and the NHL Players’ Association resume. In a new dynamic, six owners and Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly will meet with six players and union special counsel Steve Fehr. The leaders of the respective sides, Commissioner Gary Bettman and NHLPA Executive Director Donald Fehr, will not take part.

“I don't entirely agree with leaving the heads of negotiation out of this because they are paid to make a deal,” Miller wrote. “But if it gets more owners involved then so be it.”

Owners Ronald Burkle of the Pittsburgh Penguins, Mark Chipman of the Winnipeg Jets, Jeffery Vinik of the Tampa Bay Lightning and Larry Tanenbaum of the Toronto Maple Leafs will join regular league negotiators Jeremy Jacobs of the Boston Bruins and Murray Edwards of the Calgary Flames at the table. The NHLPA has not announced which players will take part in talks and probably will not do so until Tuesday.

“A lot of guys want the opportunity,” Miller wrote. “I hope we all get a better feel of what each side truly needs. On our side anyone can talk to the media or attend meetings, so I am hopeful that having more owners join the conversation we can get somewhere and break up this monopoly 4-5 owners have had on deal making.

“I am really disappointed that no moderate owners have stopped the madness. Hopefully they will after the board of governors convene.”

This figures to be a big week for the labor stalemate. In addition to Tuesday’s gathering, the NHL’s board of governors meets Wednesday. Also, more games are expected to be canceled Friday if a collective bargaining agreement is not in place.

“There has been a deal available for months,” Miller wrote. “We all expected things to fall into a negotiation after reaching 50/50

- atlsabsfan[in regards to splitting revenue] but it hasn't. The owners want too much from us and we have to make a stand. We appreciate the chance to play in the NHL but we have to protect our players.”

The sides have gotten closer in terms of finances, but contracting rights have become a major roadblock. The NHL’s most recent proposals would increase the age for free agency, limit contract lengths and control how much salaries fluctuate from year to year.

“I am confused by the hard line on contracting,” Miller wrote. “My only guess is Gary wants to limit General Managers so he won't have anymore loophole type surprises in this CBA. I understand that position to the extent you don't want contracts to cripple a team, but they are really taking away team building as a skill. Skilled GMs will have to identify how to balance a budget instead of building a well balanced winner.

“What I haven't heard anyone talking about is the fact that under the NHL proposal the NHL becomes a 2 tier salary league. The middle class is gone and that means shorter careers and in my opinion mediocre hockey.”

Last month, Miller told the Globe and Mail the lockout has been more about “brand suicide” than negotiating. He figures the NHL believes everyone will just forget about the lockout once games resume.

“I think they are counting on people to have short memories,” Miller wrote. “Just like politicians who flip-flop on an issue, the owners believe the fans will return and be caught up in hockey... Everything forgiven or at least forgotten once pucks drop."

---John Vogl

Wouldn't a simple link have been easier?
atlsabsfan
Location: IN
Joined: 06.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 10:48 AM ET
Wouldn't a simple link have been easier?
- Dwight K. Schrute


This is a correct statement. Actually - upon further review - Garth already noted Vogl's statements in his blog - but most of us dont read them so...
Dwight K. Schrute
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Sully sucks, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Dec 4 @ 11:29 AM ET
This is a correct statement. Actually - upon further review - Garth already noted Vogl's statements in his blog - but most of us dont read them so...
- atlsabsfan

I see your point.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Dec 4 @ 6:45 PM ET
I really want them to wait until the bowls are done to start playing hockey.

Goat Tang - eff the Sens

- atlsabsfan


go bama
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