Depends on what the Islanders will actually gain by making that move, other than "they're not playing in Nassau Coliseum any more."
- Irish Blues

True, but the point of moving them to Brooklyn was to bring in more people. If they can get 15 000 on most games it will be a major upgrade.

None of the four teams mentionned are really "traditional hockey market". Caps came back to life with Ovie but prior to that they didn't really have a strong fan base.
- Habsody

You might be right about the caps, but the wild are absolutely.

You sir are an idiot, the blues have new ownership and will be in the black if they were playing. But your idiotic solution is Fold everyone losing money.

You cannot make that kind of statement without taking intangibles into account.
- sycsam

You sir should have read a few more comments below Sarcasm detector is off today? Like the league would fold 10 teams...

You sir should have read a few more comments below Sarcasm detector is off today? Like the league would fold 10 teams...
- Symba007

I read that after I read your first post. my apologies. Your first post sounded like a snarky rich team fan comment.

Again I apologize

You might be right about the caps, but the wild are absolutely.
- Deadmau55

Minnesota is a hockey city, i can't deny that, but my point was they lost the North Stars and were without NHL for about 10 years? So i can't really call them a traditional market but then again same point could be made about Winnipeg...

The top three (Leafs/NYR/Habs) blow all the other teams in the NHL away when in terms of revenue each season. The large majority of the revenue comes from those three teams -- 83 percent to be exact, according to the Forbes report.

http://www.cbssports.com/...ues-lowest-fanchise-value
- Symba007

Wich is in a nutshell why we shoudnt believe the nhl is necessrily going up in revenue every year, the rich are getting richer, and then there are the team struggling to stay above the floor.

True, but the point of moving them to Brooklyn was to bring in more people. If they can get 15 000 on most games it will be a major upgrade.
- Habsody

I suspect this will be a very profitable long-term decision for the Islanders.

Fun to watch the Nets have a lot of early success in a similar spot.

You sir should have read a few more comments below Sarcasm detector is off today? Like the league would fold 10 teams...
- Symba007

What an idiotic solution...

I suspect this will be a very profitable long-term decision for the Islanders.

Fun to watch the Nets have a lot of early success in a similar spot.
- Travis Yost

Totally, i almost enjoyed a basketball game (Knicks vs Nets)! Love their logo too, looks classic.

I read that after I read your first post. my apologies. Your first post sounded like a snarky rich team fan comment.

Again I apologize
- sycsam

No problemos

Fans of rich or poor teams, doesn't matter at this point, everyone is getting screwed equally.

What an idiotic solution...
- Habsody

Fold 2 + move 2, revenue sharing will make a lot more sense after that.

Really nothing about Riley Sheahan dress like Winky tinky or whatever its name is after getting pulled over for drunk driving using Brendan Evans ID?

Not to mention a team like the Islanders is going to quickly go from the red to the black once they move from Uniondale to Brooklyn you would think.
- latorrem1

You're correct...The Islanders should be in the black when they move to Brooklyn because the Barclay's Center has 95 luxury suites and the Nassau Coliseum has 36. Most of the suites have been sold already so I'm sure the Islanders will be getting revenue from them. I would think they'll get good crowds the first year they are in Brooklyn and if they field a good team, then better crowds will follow...

The top three (Leafs/NYR/Habs) blow all the other teams in the NHL away when in terms of revenue each season. The large majority of the revenue comes from those three teams -- 83 percent to be exact, according to the Forbes report.

http://www.cbssports.com/...ues-lowest-fanchise-value
- Symba007

Not directed at you, Symba - but this is yet another example of people who don't understand the difference between revenue and profit.

Fold 2 + move 2, revenue sharing will make a lot more sense after that.
- Symba007

Sounds good, and would answer some dire needs of the league. However, 28 isn't really a great number for divisions unless you screw the current set up and go 4 7-teams divisions. Looks odd...Qc city, Markham and Seattle are ready to get a team in my opinion.

You're correct...The Islanders should be in the black when they move to Brooklyn because the Barclay's Center has 95 luxury suites and the Nassau Coliseum has 36. Most of the suites have been sold already so I'm sure the Islanders will be getting revenue from them. I would think they'll get good crowds the first year they are in Brooklyn and if they field a good team, then better crowds will follow...
- kear20

Good point....as long as wang doesn't blow that money on stupid contracts.

Sounds good, and would answer some dire needs of the league. However, 28 isn't really a great number for divisions unless you screw the current set up and go 4 7-teams divisions. Looks odd...Qc city, Markham and Seattle are ready to get a team in my opinion.
- Habsody

2 conferences....no more divisions.

Not directed at you, Symba - but this is yet another example of people who don't understand the difference between revenue and profit.
- Irish Blues

you mean forbes?

True, but the point of moving them to Brooklyn was to bring in more people. If they can get 15 000 on most games it will be a major upgrade.
- Habsody

If the team continues to suck, how many more people will show up because they're now in Brooklyn? And if the lease they've signed hands over a chunk of non-gate, in-arena revenues that the Isles generate without them getting a corresponding share back when the Nets play, do they really gain anything as a result?

That's why I'd like to hear details of the lease the team signed. That signals what the long-term prospects might be.

you mean forbes?
- Symba007

I mean the CBSSports writer.

If the team continues to suck, how many more people will show up because they're now in Brooklyn? And if the lease they've signed hands over a chunk of non-gate, in-arena revenues that the Isles generate without them getting a corresponding share back when the Nets play, do they really gain anything as a result?

That's why I'd like to hear details of the lease the team signed. That signals what the long-term prospects might be.
- Irish Blues

I agree with that, and quite honestly have no clue about the lease details. But they just can't get any deepeer. And long term, on the ice they have some good prospects coming in. Ice a good hockey team and the attendance will rise sooner or later. They also need better management, they have been a joke of a franchise since the '90.

2 conferences....no more divisions.
- Symba007

Hmmm, what about the travelling expenses?

I do not believe the Leafs are worth more than the Habs. I do not believe that the Leafs bring in more revenue than the Habs. I believe that the Habs simply are more skillful in defining revenues.

Remember a few years back when a bunch of businesses were charged with bartering Habs season tickets. They draw 2500 a game more than the Leafs. Their Saturday night hockey viewership is nearly double the Leafs' viewership.

So, if Montreal is off, perhaps some of the other guys are as well. Remember the Leafs are owned by public corporation and they have a fiduciary responsibility to report. Privately owned teams like Montreal, Ottawa and Edmonton work to repress the amounts of revenue actually reported.

Anyone who lives in Ottawa is astounded by the millions of dollars given away through the Senators charity activities. This is a very purposeful program that moves money off the books of the Senators and pushes it back into the community.
- spatso

BS... The Leafs receive way more national coverage... Why is that? It's because they have the largest audience. The largest audience usually generates the most revenue/profit. Media companies like Bell Media, Rogers Communications, CBC etc etc etc are interested in making making money... SOOOOOOOOOO, they cater to their largest audience!

Factor in the population of Ontario (nearly 40% of Canada's population), a predominantly Leafs region, along with Toronto being Canada's largest city by far, coupled with population density including the surrounding areas.

Even look at the Leafs' fan presence at away games. No team comes even close to that! Not even Montreal who are a distance 2nd.

Even if Forbes' numbers are off, Toronto's valuation is nearly double that of Montreal's. Did you really think they're that far off?

Minnesota is a hockey city, i can't deny that, but my point was they lost the North Stars and were without NHL for about 10 years? So i can't really call them a traditional market but then again same point could be made about Winnipeg...
- Habsody

One could argue that the North Stars fan base was much bigger than is the Wild, but the North Stars were moved because Norm Green demanded a new arena be built on the tax payers dime, and when he didn't get it he moved them to Dallas. However, there was a lack of profitability and attendance for quite a few years. The Wild sold out every game for the first 8 years and attendance has decreased a bit since Jacques left.

I don't think the Wild necessarily have the best fans and certainly don't have the most, but I do think the Wild are commonly regarded around the league as a "traditional hockey market" mostly due to the North Stars tenure here in Minnie.

For the record Minnie was without a hockey team for 7 seasons.

Fold every team in bold.....
- Symba007