Owners losing money is irrelevant. They have plenty from other resources.

If the players are trying to hurt the owners to prove a point they are just stupid. You are right, they might not have reached that point yet, but my point is, they should have a long time ago.
- l3ig_l2ecl

another issue that people tend to overlook is that a player's earning years are very limited in most cases. owners? not so much. when it comes to the idea that both sides are losing money, it's not at all comparabale.

thats just the angle of the article. the article is about Fehr. he's written equally damning articles about Bettman.

and yes, the players were going to lose money because they were going to lose revenue share. but now not only are they losing revenue share, but the revenue itself is shrinking. that's why so many people (including former players) are trying to figure out what the players are fighting for, because it can't be dollars.
- scotch_tape

Same for the League. Bottom line is that the angle of the article was flawed in my opinion. It was trying to state that Fehr should follow up the legacy of Miller and use the same approach to better the game. It fails to account for the different situation and environment. Or that Fehr was hired by the players and is under their direction and the agenda that the players sought.

another issue that people tend to overlook is that a player's earning years are very limited in most cases. owners? not so much. when it comes to the idea that both sides are losing money, it's not at all comparabale.
- scotch_tape

Yes, and most owners have been doing this crap for 40+ years. They're not going to allow some 25yo's to dictate how they run their businesses.

Did you even read the article that was linked?
- MJL

Whoops, my bad.

In my defence, I've been forced to use IE.

Expect a very slow response time from me from now on.

Owners losing money is irrelevant. They have plenty from other resources.

If the players are trying to hurt the owners to prove a point they are just stupid. You are right, they might not have reached that point yet, but my point is, they should have a long time ago.
- l3ig_l2ecl

I'm sure that the owners of teams such as Toronto, Montreal, NY Rangers, etc. Are quite content with the money being flushed down the toilet every day. The players are fighting for what they think is right.

Whoops, my bad.

In my defence, I've been forced to use IE.

Expect a very slow response time from me from now on.
- Atomic Wedgie

No problem, these things happen.

Yes, and most owners have been doing this crap for 40+ years. They're not going to allow some 25yo's to dictate how they run their businesses.
- l3ig_l2ecl

The players aren't trying to dictate how the Owner's run their business.

I'm sure that the owners of teams such as Toronto, Montreal, NY Rangers, etc. Are quite content with the money being flushed down the toilet every day. The players are fighting for what they think is right.
- MJL

I never said that teams like Ranges, Montreal, Toroto, etc like losing money. Hell they probably can't stand it. However, Molson, Rogers and Bell, and whoever owns the Rangers likely have other sources of Income and can afford losing a season.

Players however are losing their only source of income, and they will run out quicker than owners will. Hence the word Leverage.

As for fighting for what they think is right. I applaud them for that, but they need to cut their loses. They should have taken the deal on October 15th because that's as good as it was gonna get. They knew it. It was common sense. Their Ego and pride got the best of them. Now they are fighting for what they think is right, but they will lose, and they will lose BIG until they come to their senses.

It is something to do when work is slow.

He is the biggest moron on the site, by a long ways. It is fascinating how often he has been proven wrong, caught making contradictory statements, completely ignoring the other side, ignoring any point that does not support his bizarre beliefs etc.

There are a number of PA supporters on this site. None of them are quite as blind and stupid as MJL.
- Aetherial

He gives us Flyers fans a good name

Just read about Josh Harding.....terrible news. Best of luck to him with his fight. Puts it all in perspective.
- The-O-G

Something that actually matters right here.

This drivel about the lockout....and there's people like this. What an inspiration.

It is something to do when work is slow.

He is the biggest moron on the site, by a long ways. It is fascinating how often he has been proven wrong, caught making contradictory statements, completely ignoring the other side, ignoring any point that does not support his bizarre beliefs etc.

There are a number of PA supporters on this site. None of them are quite as blind and stupid as MJL.
- Aetherial

Have you met my good friend Boonerbuck?

Apparently Bettman is evil, because he didn't force a team to move to Seattle.

I never said that teams like Ranges, Montreal, Toroto, etc like losing money. Hell they probably can't stand it. However, Molson, Rogers and Bell, and whoever owns the Rangers likely have other sources of Income and can afford losing a season.

Players however are losing their only source of income, and they will run out quicker than owners will. Hence the word Leverage.

As for fighting for what they think is right. I applaud them for that, but they need to cut their loses. They should have taken the deal on October 15th because that's as good as it was gonna get. They knew it. It was common sense. Their Ego and pride got the best of them. Now they are fighting for what they think is right, but they will lose, and they will lose BIG until they come to their senses.
- l3ig_l2ecl

I think it's fools gold to suggest that anyone can afford to lose a Season. Losing a Season is devastating to both sides. We'll see how it turns out. There will be no winners in this lockout.

I think it's fools gold to suggest that anyone can afford to lose a Season. Losing a Season is devastating to both sides. We'll see how it turns out. There will be no winners in this lockout.
- MJL

How is it "devastating" to the Leafs?

They are are largely owned by two giant media conglomerates, who will still post profits if there are no games played this year.

Where, exactly, is the devastation?

So what's the story in here today?

How is it "devastating" to the Leafs?

They are are largely owned by two giant media conglomerates, who will still post profits if there are no games played this year.

Where, exactly, is the devastation?
- Atomic Wedgie

Well, this was the leafs year, and now it will pass and they will have to rebuild again

Well, this was the leafs year, and now it will pass and they will have to rebuild again
- CaptainK

That's probably for the best, though.

You know how when a team wins with a new formula, everyone scrambles to copy that formula?

If the Leafs won this year, the other 29 teams would be scrambling to build teams with no centres and unproven goaltending.

I can't wait for a new blog from Mr Eklund where he will likely claim that no news after yesterday's meetings = good news and this was HUGE. I wish I could see everything in such a positive way.

That's probably for the best, though.

You know how when a team wins with a new formula, everyone scrambles to copy that formula?

If the Leafs won this year, the other 29 teams would be scrambling to build teams with no centres and unproven goaltending.
- Atomic Wedgie

That's probably for the best, though.

You know how when a team wins with a new formula, everyone scrambles to copy that formula?

If the Leafs won this year, the other 29 teams would be scrambling to build teams with no centres and unproven goaltending.
- Atomic Wedgie

I can't wait for a new blog from Mr Eklund where he will likely claim that no news after yesterday's meetings = good news and this was HUGE. I wish I could see everything in such a positive way.
- Aliaksandrhn

Already done via twitter last night

Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund
doesn't appear to be any news coming out of DC meetings except they are meeting tomorrow. NO NEWS with this group is good and = serious.

Already done via twitter last night

Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund
doesn't appear to be any news coming out of DC meetings except they are meeting tomorrow. NO NEWS with this group is good and = serious.
- Symba007

Unreal

I think it's fools gold to suggest that anyone can afford to lose a Season. Losing a Season is devastating to both sides. We'll see how it turns out. There will be no winners in this lockout.
- MJL

Figuratively speaking, you're right there is no winner, however they may vary only slightly to a degree, but there's always a winner and a loser if you're speaking in the literal sense. Rarely does a contract dispute of any kind end with a win/win scenario. Rarely do owners/companies fail to come out on top. Although no one wants to lose money, categorizing the effects to both sides as "devastating" is really only true for the players side of the equation as their losses will never be recouped. Even though many teams are losing money due to the lockout, many of them are losing far less to this point than they would have with no canceled games.

Unreal
- Giroux_Is_God

Of course it had nothing to do with the fact the mediators put a gag order on both parties during this process.

So what's the story in here today?
- CaptainK

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Same for the League. Bottom line is that the angle of the article was flawed in my opinion. It was trying to state that Fehr should follow up the legacy of Miller and use the same approach to better the game. It fails to account for the different situation and environment. Or that Fehr was hired by the players and is under their direction and the agenda that the players sought.
- MJL[/quote]

I love how you use lines like this to try to make a point, even though you absolutely know it's not true.

You are way too much of a Fehr worshipper to not know better.

While the players think they are in charge, we know that Fehr can shape thier views and manipulate them into whatever he needs them to be.

That is the genius of Fehr. It is his play, and the players are just his puppets on a string. Another tool in his toolbox.

It is really impressive how he can stonewall the owners, play victim in the media, and get the players ripping mad all at the same time.

Fehr is so good at using group mentality, and exploiting the players competitive nature, that they really have no chance, and it is not evn close.

The players will be ready to deal when Fehr's strategy says they will, and for you to suggest different would be an outrght lie, and you know it.