Location: I take Joel for walks around the block, AB Joined: 07.24.2011
Nov 28 @ 8:50 AM ET
I thought the same thing... i was waiting for something to happen and it never came... I want 30 sec of my lifeback - mrhattrick27
you actually watched it? HAHA i just youtube'd a fight of him and a penguin. But if you win a fight in Toronto you do become known in the hockey world.. Since Leafs fans are the only reason half your poopty American teams are still around.
you actually watched it? HAHA i just youtube'd a fight of him and a penguin. But if you win a fight in Toronto you do become known in the hockey world.. Since Leafs fans are the only reason half your poopty American teams are still around. - Arctic_AARDVARK
How so? When was the last time the leafs did anything other then lose?
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON Joined: 02.26.2007
Nov 28 @ 8:54 AM ET
With Terry Pegula and perhaps the best core fans around the NHL I strongly beg to differ that the Sabres ever go anywhere. I am so sure of that, I'd bet my life on it.
You could not be more off with that assumption. You clearly do not live in Buffalo and therefor I will chalk your ignorance up to that.
During playoff games the Buffalo Sabres have just as many fans outside watching the game on the big screen in "the plaza" in 20 degree temps than are jam packed inside the arena.
But I am sure you knew that. - BuffaloHardHat
Really? Best? Ahead of the Leafs? Habs? NYR? Flyers? Detroit? Boston?
Cory Schneider talked about the NHLPA's option to decertify on Monday and how it is only being looked at as a last resort.
"This whole process, we've viewed that [decertification] as a last means and that's why we've always pushed to negotiate," he said. "They [owners] don't take us seriously and don't have any motivation to negotiate and do some give and take to make it happen. One of the only options we have to apply a little pressure on them and show we're serious is to decertify. I can't speak to whether it's going to happen or what the thought mindset is right now."
Brad Richards expressed concerns regarding the negotiations between the NHL and NHLPA on Tuesday.
"We're scared for the game," Richards said. "Right now, (the league's offer) is take-it-or-leave-it and it's a deal that makes no sense for the future of the league, so we're trying to figure out a way to get some momentum and get it so it's good for both sides, not just one side."
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So, according to the players, the Owners don't take them seriously, the owners are out to destroy the game, the NHLPA is doing this for the good of the game and will most likely decertify if the owners don't give them what they want (for the good of the game).
You have to give it to Fehr, he's got most of the players on the right talking points.
Location: I take Joel for walks around the block, AB Joined: 07.24.2011
Nov 28 @ 9:18 AM ET
What does that even mean??
Nice job not answering the question sport - Flyers_1488
what does 1488 mean? And don't say your kids wear those numbers because there couldn't be a more lame excuse. And Toronto is by far the most profitable franchise in the league.... but the 10 million Leaf fans have zero impact.. Right..
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON Joined: 02.26.2007
Nov 28 @ 9:18 AM ET
Cory Schneider talked about the NHLPA's option to decertify on Monday and how it is only being looked at as a last resort.
"This whole process, we've viewed that - Flyers_01[decertification] as a last means and that's why we've always pushed to negotiate," he said. "They [owners] don't take us seriously and don't have any motivation to negotiate and do some give and take to make it happen. One of the only options we have to apply a little pressure on them and show we're serious is to decertify. I can't speak to whether it's going to happen or what the thought mindset is right now."
Brad Richards expressed concerns regarding the negotiations between the NHL and NHLPA on Tuesday.
"We're scared for the game," Richards said. "Right now, (the league's offer) is take-it-or-leave-it and it's a deal that makes no sense for the future of the league, so we're trying to figure out a way to get some momentum and get it so it's good for both sides, not just one side."
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So, according to the players, the Owners don't take them seriously, the owners are out to destroy the game, the NHLPA is doing this for the good of the game and will most likely decertify if the owners don't give them what they want (for the good of the game).
You have to give it to Fehr, he's got most of the players on the right talking points.
Billionaires are stupid when it comes to running a business. Players know better.
what does 1488 mean? And don't say your kids wear those numbers because there couldn't be a more lame excuse. And Toronto is by far the most profitable franchise in the league.... but the 10 million Leaf fans have zero impact.. Right.. - Arctic_AARDVARK
Who are you to question what numbers my kids wear? I could careless what 1488 means good or bad. You are the one thats so worried about it.
Leafs 10 million fans? Where did you get that number?
Yeah fans dont have an impact to get this done bc if fans did we would already be playing hockey.
Once again you DID NOT answer my question.... I guess its bc you dont know
Cory Schneider talked about the NHLPA's option to decertify on Monday and how it is only being looked at as a last resort.
"This whole process, we've viewed that - Flyers_01[decertification] as a last means and that's why we've always pushed to negotiate," he said. "They [owners] don't take us seriously and don't have any motivation to negotiate and do some give and take to make it happen. One of the only options we have to apply a little pressure on them and show we're serious is to decertify. I can't speak to whether it's going to happen or what the thought mindset is right now."
Brad Richards expressed concerns regarding the negotiations between the NHL and NHLPA on Tuesday.
"We're scared for the game," Richards said. "Right now, (the league's offer) is take-it-or-leave-it and it's a deal that makes no sense for the future of the league, so we're trying to figure out a way to get some momentum and get it so it's good for both sides, not just one side."
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So, according to the players, the Owners don't take them seriously, the owners are out to destroy the game, the NHLPA is doing this for the good of the game and will most likely decertify if the owners don't give them what they want (for the good of the game).
You have to give it to Fehr, he's got most of the players on the right talking points.
All that indicates to me is that the players do not know the first thing about negotiations. The league rejected their latest offer, so they started crying about it. Did anybody really expect the league to just say "great offer, we accept!"? That is not the way negotiations work. The players take it way too personally.
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today? Joined: 06.30.2006
Nov 28 @ 9:35 AM ET
All that indicates to me is that the players do not know the first thing about negotiations. The league rejected their latest offer, so they started crying about it. Did anybody really expect the league to just say "great offer, we accept!"? That is not the way negotiations work. The players take it way too personally. - niedermayer27
Nevermind that the offer was a pile of crap.
Listening to Alfredsson this morning...
It us just more stuff like "we just want a fair deal", "the NHL is not willing to negotiate"
ROFL! The PA is so full of crap, it is really quite fascinating to listen to their BS. They just ignore their own culpability completely, ESPECIALLY the part about being willing to negotiate. The NHL had to cancel 25% of the season before the PA ever came up with an offer and then it was an offer that was ridiculous given the discussions to date. It was miles away from the owner's offer and the PA expected the owners to accept it?
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
Nov 28 @ 9:36 AM ET
In the Real World that everyone wants to talk about. You get paid commensurate with your skill level. Commensurate with what you can do for your Company. You make 52K a year, because that is all your worth to your Company. And if you could command more of a salary, you would do so. Players make the money they make for a reason! But they should give up what they have and take less, because Joe Schmo is struggling to get by in the Real World? - MJL
The point was that these idiots have no idea what it's like to struggle.
And, given my experience in my field, I know I'm worth more than I make, but there are no jobs out there, in case you haven't noticed. Or maybe you haven't, because maybe you're living the priviledged life, too.
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Joined: 02.10.2011
Nov 28 @ 9:40 AM ET
Felt bad saying it, but someone had to.
I cant stand people who spit out kids without thinking through how they will support them over the LONG haul...and then whine about how tough it is, blame the world etc.
I never had kids because when the time was probably right health wise, it wasnt financially. Now I am financially set, but Im a little older and we couldnt unfortunately....thats life, I made my decision and dont whine about it. - C.J
Good thing, because you sound like a real a$$hole.
The point was that these idiots have no idea what it's like to struggle.
And, given my experience in my field, I know I'm worth more than I make, but there are no jobs out there, in case you haven't noticed. Or maybe you haven't, because maybe you're living the priviledged life, too. - Powerslave
Guess what, if you had a unique skillset that made your employer a lot of revenue, and that unique skill set, set you apart from the rest of the work force. Then there are plenty of jobs out there. There's no jobs out there for the people who are just like everyone else. That's the Real World.
And it's the players fault that they have never struggled financially? You become what you make of yourself in this World. They haven't been handed anything. They've earned what they've gotten like everyone else has.
Cory Schneider talked about the NHLPA's option to decertify on Monday and how it is only being looked at as a last resort.
"This whole process, we've viewed that - Flyers_01[decertification] as a last means and that's why we've always pushed to negotiate," he said. "They [owners] don't take us seriously and don't have any motivation to negotiate and do some give and take to make it happen. One of the only options we have to apply a little pressure on them and show we're serious is to decertify. I can't speak to whether it's going to happen or what the thought mindset is right now."
Brad Richards expressed concerns regarding the negotiations between the NHL and NHLPA on Tuesday.
"We're scared for the game," Richards said. "Right now, (the league's offer) is take-it-or-leave-it and it's a deal that makes no sense for the future of the league, so we're trying to figure out a way to get some momentum and get it so it's good for both sides, not just one side."
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So, according to the players, the Owners don't take them seriously, the owners are out to destroy the game, the NHLPA is doing this for the good of the game and will most likely decertify if the owners don't give them what they want (for the good of the game).
You have to give it to Fehr, he's got most of the players on the right talking points.
Owners are not taking players seriously because they know the players have more to lose then the owners if it comes to decertification .
All that indicates to me is that the players do not know the first thing about negotiations. The league rejected their latest offer, so they started crying about it. Did anybody really expect the league to just say "great offer, we accept!"? That is not the way negotiations work. The players take it way too personally. - niedermayer27
I don't think many of the players know the first thing about business or finance, nor do they care to know. They are happy to be treated as 5 year olds. When they don't get their way they throw a tantrum, they don't look as to why they didn't get their way, their is no notion of personal responsibility, no desire to find out why. It's mine, you can't have it, end of story.
I think that's the bane of professional athletes in just about every major sport but it rears it's ugly head the most during CBA negotiations. They have been worshipped/coddled since they were in high school. People do things to accomodate the players, not the other way around.
During the CBA negotiations for the NFL the players were saying ridiculous things like "the players are slaves and the owners are slave owners", blasting the owners for not providing more healthcare post career when the NFLPA didn't want anything to do with it if it cost them a nickle out of the active players share of the pie. Player associations never want anything expense related to come out of their share, yet want to be treated like kings.
Players in general have no idea how ridiculous they sound sometimes, nor do they seem to care, they are the center of the universe and everything revolves around them.
Guess what, if you had a unique skillset that made your employer a lot of revenue, and that unique skill set, set you apart from the rest of the work force. Then there are plenty of jobs out there. There's no jobs out there for the people who are just like everyone else. That's the Real World.
And it's the players fault that they have never struggled financially? You become what you make of yourself in this World. They haven't been handed anything. They've earned what they've gotten like everyone else has. - MJL
Player's salaries aren't dictated by their skill level. They are relative to the league's revenues and profits. Player's salaries have gone up more than profits have for certain franchises. Things need to be recalibrated.
