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Yeah, don't know how enthralled they are by the salary cap, Nicky.
- Atomic Wedgie

I never said I was nominating him for a literary award, just that the premise of the article was solid and that taking a step back to try and figure out... WTF is Fehr's end game here?

But yeah, I think he should have used a different word there.

In response to all the nay sayers regarding the boycott theory:

“If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it.”

That's an Einstein quote for those not in the know.

He was of average intelligence I believe (sarcasm)
- R-SAL

For every time you continue to harp ON & ON about this idea of yours, I will buy more pills from Biovail and wash them down with a can of Molson Export while wiping my arse with a Joe Louis. Ok maybe the last one was a joke.

didn't your team just get to the finals as a 6th seed and lost to the 8th seed
- flashfire

A 6 seed really didn't do justice to the Devs. They played in a stacked division, and lacked depth for much of the first half of the season (played with a bottom 6 of Boulton, Janssen, Zalewski, Carter, and Clarksin at one point), and had an adjustment period to DeBoer's system. The Devils were a contender once they brought in Poni, got Josefson back from injury, and traded for Zidlicky. Barring any major move, the Devils will fight for the playoffs and not be nearly as good as last season, even if they do get the 6th seed. Not to mention the leadership hole Parise left.

Yeah, don't know how enthralled they are by the salary cap, Nicky.
- Atomic Wedgie

Once upon a time, Howard Cosell railed about the problems of the jockocracy. He probably rolls over in his grave every time it gets a little more entrenched. Comments like that probably make him spin a little faster.

Read carefully the original post. I'm not saying drop the entire service, but there may be some feature of your serveice you can eliminate...like conference calling. Also, you don't have to necessarily hurt your hometown owner. Hurt anyone. Hurt the red wings by not eating at Little Caesars etc, find something that doesn't hurt you but will hurt them. I stripped my landline phone down to bare bones. I use my cell phone 95% of the time anyway. By doing that I took $25.00 a month away from Bell. And the thing is...I'm getting used to bare bones and probably won't switch the services back on...so it was win, win for me.

Just copy and paste the idea and send it to your friends rather than defeat it without trying.

It's like voting...you can't complain if you don't vote.

Well, you can't complain about the lock-out if you don't try to do something about it.

Everyone needs to stop with the defeatist attitude.
- R-SAL

You sticking it to little ceasars is just boycotting the owner of that store. He's still paying franchising fees.

For every time you continue to harp ON & ON about this idea of yours, I will buy more pills from Biovail and wash them down with a can of Molson Export while wiping my arse with a Joe Louis. Ok maybe the last one was a joke.
- Senators2112

Ahhh...you can tell a Sens fan.


...You can't tell him much...but...

Once upon a time, Howard Cosell railed about the problems of the jockocracy. He probably rolls over in his grave every time it gets a little more entrenched. Comments like that probably make him spin a little faster.
- Irish Blues

I miss Howard.

I really do.

You sticking it to little ceasars is just boycotting the owner of that store. He's still paying franchising fees.
- rmdevil313

Well lets face it...it's the Canadian teams I suppose should be focused on.

They are responsible for the majority of revenues.

I went to a Leafs/Lightning game in Tampa for cheaper than I can go to a tier two Junior game in my hometown.

Well lets face it...it's the Canadian teams I suppose should be focused on.

They are responsible for the majority of revenues.
- R-SAL

If by "majority of revenues" you mean "somewhere between 35% and 40%," then you're probably right. If you instead mean "at least half," you're way off the mark.

Well lets face it...it's the Canadian teams I suppose should be focused on.

They are responsible for the majority of revenues.

I went to a Leafs/Lightning game in Tampa for cheaper than I can go to a tier two Junior game in my hometown.
- R-SAL

you dont remember 20 years ago when the only team in canada making money was the leafs do you?

right now the canadian teams are the rich teams.. but even winnipeg lost money last year (source: forbes)

this will not always be true.. it will cycle around again..

I don't think you can take one player's response and paint the entire PA with the same brush. Of course Ryan is wrong. Well he's obviously chosen to not inform himself of the details, and embarrass himself. That doesn't mean the players as a whole have no clue about reality.
- MJL

just 1?

it seems everyone that spouts off is ill informed. except for the guys who went through the last one and have since retired. theyre saying stop the nonsense and play.

right now the canadian teams are the rich teams.. but even winnipeg lost money last year (source: forbes)
- Dozzer

I'm calling bullpoop. I've been told repeatedly that Canadian teams print more money than Bernanke at the Fed and there's no way a team in Canada could possibly lose money.

If by "majority of revenues" you mean "somewhere between 35% and 40%," then you're probably right. If you instead mean "at least half," you're way off the mark.
- Irish Blues

I meant proportionate to the number of teams.

Bobby Ryan and Alan Walsh were cocking off on Twitter about how much league revenue + Gary's salary has gone up during the last CBA, I suggested they should let people know how much league "profit" has changed and how much player salaries have gone up...

Bobby Ryan sends me a snarky response telling me that NHL Player salaries did NOT go up during the last CBA.... you want to talk about delusional... here is his quote:

"Are you lost? They haven't since the hard cap was introduced. Do your HW and try again."

Honest to god... a big reason why we are in this mess is that players have no clue about reality.
- Senators2112

annoys the sh*t outta me. he doesnt even know the situation?? u of course tweeted back to enlighten him of the facts??!!

If by "majority of revenues" you mean "somewhere between 35% and 40%," then you're probably right. If you instead mean "at least half," you're way off the mark.
- Irish Blues

3.09 billion in nhl revenue last season

canadian franchises accounted for 876million

28.34%

I'm calling bullpoop. I've been told repeatedly that Canadian teams print more money than Bernanke at the Fed and there's no way a team in Canada could possibly lose money.
- Irish Blues

http://www.forbes.com/nhl...aluations/list/#p_1_s_a6_

one that can only seat 14K a game might

I meant proportionate to the number of teams.
- R-SAL

While accurate, statements like this are incredibly misleading. In every business setting where there are multiple entities participating, unless you include all participants the above is true. For it not to happen, it would have to be the case where every participant produces exactly the same amount of revenue.

NFL? NBA? MLB? Retail sales? Oil production? In every business or grouping you can think of, the entities on the top produce a greater share of revenues than the proportion of entities they represent.

Math. It's difficult for some.

3.09 billion in nhl revenue last season

canadian franchises accounted for 876million

28.34%
- Dozzer

Those are 2010-11 numbers, when the Jets were still in Atlanta. 2011-12 had $3.303 billion in revenue.

Those are 2010-11 numbers, when the Jets were still in Atlanta. 2011-12 had $3.303 billion in revenue.
- Irish Blues

no... its 2012

look at the damn link.. if it was 2011 it would of said atlanta

i am providing an actual source.. and not a little known one either..and you are still adamant

also.. at the bottom of the web page link you will see the copyright is 2012

EDIT: here is the page on the jets specifically

http://www.forbes.com/teams/winnipeg-jets/

annoys the sh*t outta me. he doesnt even know the situation?? u of course tweeted back to enlighten him of the facts??!!
- hugefemale dog77

Oh I got back to him on that but... at that point I think Walsh had called him, told him I'm just some crazy person trying to make up crazy stories and start fights with players and not to get into it with me in public.

While accurate, statements like this are incredibly misleading. In every business setting where there are multiple entities participating, unless you include all participants the above is true. For it not to happen, it would have to be the case where every participant produces exactly the same amount of revenue.

NFL? NBA? MLB? Retail sales? Oil production? In every business or grouping you can think of, the entities on the top produce a greater share of revenues than the proportion of entities they represent.

Math. It's difficult for some.
- Irish Blues

Exactly....that is why hurting those top entities bares the most fruit.

Well we could argue till were blue in the face over the numbers.

Does anyone believe the numbers are accurate anyway?

I mean, a team at the bottom wants to say it lost money so it gets more league revenue and the teams that make money want to diminish those numbers because they don't want to pay the money losing teams.

So I imagine there is some fairly creative accounting taking place.

Exactly....that is why hurting those top entities bares the most fruit.
- R-SAL

Not really. Its still one voice among 30.

Well we could argue till were blue in the face over the numbers.

Does anyone believe the numbers are accurate anyway?

I mean, a team at the bottom wants to say it lost money so it gets more league revenue and the teams that make money want to diminish those numbers because they don't want to pay the money losing teams.

So I imagine there is some fairly creative accounting taking place.
- R-SAL

all we got to go by is factual evidence.. any other theories are just that.. theories

no... its 2012

look at the damn link.. if it was 2011 it would of said atlanta

i am providing an actual source.. and not a little known one either..and you are still adamant

also.. at the bottom of the web page link you will see the copyright is 2012

EDIT: here is the page on the jets specifically

http://www.forbes.com/teams/winnipeg-jets/
- Dozzer

Speaking of Forbes and player agents etc...

It's another thing that blows my mind. We've argued here a lot as to the validity of these numbers and most of us would agree that they should be a pretty damned good measuring stick.

Anyways I've heard so many pro player people, including agents, including Alan Walsh shooting down those number saying they are a bunch of made up inaccurate propaganda BS... it's funny that recently Walsh cited a Forbes article to say "Look at how much these franchises have risen in value, owners are rich!"

I'd provide a link but the guy has me blocked now. You could probably find the Tweet if you searched "alan walsh nhl franchise"