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thefullnelson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.03.2012

Nov 21 @ 11:55 PM ET
Eklund: Talks End. Gap shrinks. Getting Somewhere. Oh no, I meant gloom and doom.
- Eklund


"As the talks broke up both sides were full of the kinds of happy thoughts which accompany spending quality time with the people who are preventing you from making millions/billions of dollars." (quoted from blog)

Just wanted to say I really liked this sentence. It's getting tougher and tougher for me to chuckle at the lockout and this got a chuckle out of me so well done.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Nov 21 @ 11:57 PM ET

2 questions:

The NBA settled at 50/50 last year? (is that correct?)

what was the revenue split prior to their 50/50 if anyone knows?
Chip McCleary
St Louis Blues
Location: Madison, WI
Joined: 06.28.2008

Nov 21 @ 11:59 PM ET
2 questions:

The NBA settled at 50/50 last year? (is that correct?)

what was the revenue split prior to their 50/50 if anyone knows?

- puckhead17

http://espn.go.com/nba/st...ba-deal-compares-last-one

2005 CBA: Players receive 57 percent of Basketball Related Income (BRI).

2011 CBA: Players receive 51.15 percent of BRI in 2011-12. In later seasons players receive 49 to 51 percent of BRI (50 percent, plus or minus 60.5 percent of the amount by which BRI exceeds or falls short of projections); 1 percent of BRI (from the players' share) is used to fund a new pool for post-career benefits.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:02 AM ET
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

2005 CBA: Players receive 57 percent of Basketball Related Income (BRI).

2011 CBA: Players receive 51.15 percent of BRI in 2011-12. In later seasons players receive 49 to 51 percent of BRI (50 percent, plus or minus 60.5 percent of the amount by which BRI exceeds or falls short of projections); 1 percent of BRI (from the players' share) is used to fund a new pool for post-career benefits.

- Irish Blues


Thank you for that

So they went from 57% to 51% in one CBA contract year?, (I know they have a luxury tax & a bit of a different system, maybe different escrow?), but was that technically a pay cut for their players?
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:15 AM ET
I want to hate the NHL and NHLPA right now.
I want to say I am never coming back.
Then i do dumb things like watching the following videos and realize, I can't let go.. =(


http://www.youtube.com/wa...RtrQ1YrCzw&feature=g-vrec (Foppa)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2WwI6YTyc (Flyers Comeback vs Bruins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSruMxbSidI (Misc highlights)

and this..the best video I have ever watched about the NHL... http://www.youtube.com/wa...hqTf5uvkY&feature=related
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:20 AM ET
I want to hate the NHL and NHLPA right now.
I want to say I am never coming back.
Then i do dumb things like watching the following videos and realize, I can't let go.. =(


http://www.youtube.com/wa...RtrQ1YrCzw&feature=g-vrec (Foppa)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2WwI6YTyc (Flyers Comeback vs Bruins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSruMxbSidI (Misc highlights)

- opeth_pa


And I considered switching to football, but cheering for Vick just isn't the same as "G"
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:24 AM ET
I want to hate the NHL and NHLPA right now.
I want to say I am never coming back.
Then i do dumb things like watching the following videos and realize, I can't let go.. =(

- opeth_pa


Do you know what I miss about no season? I miss doing this...

puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:28 AM ET
Do you know what I miss about no season? I miss doing this...


- bloatedmosquito



I did get the first & last line


whew
Wodanaz
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Chatsworth, CA
Joined: 02.25.2012

Nov 22 @ 12:29 AM ET
Certainly, the fans hear the rhetoric. Many fans don't want to invest the time to read up on everything. That's understandable.

I'm not a player. Go to the Flyers threads and ask anyone who's a regular there. I've been a regular poster on this site for years. I don't have any inside information. Everything I know can be found on the internet.

Grange could be counting the Make Whole money that is deferred, or counting the interest that is gained. There's a lot I still don't know about it. I'm sure in the next few days, we'll learn more.

- MJL


Your comment from 19 days ago:

I'm not dodging any of your questions.
- MJL

Some things never change...and you want to talk about rhetoric?
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:34 AM ET
Your comment from 19 days ago:

I'm not dodging any of your questions.
- MJL

Some things never change...and you want to talk about rhetoric?

- Wodanaz



wondering if we will ever see our league again?

they are continuing to drink that dudes Kool aid, It's scary!
trolleytracks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Apparently I troll every blog , ON
Joined: 02.23.2012

Nov 22 @ 12:34 AM ET
Not to get too involved in this discussion here, but those bashing on LA's fanbase should probably check out our ticket sales over the last...well for as long as I have been a season ticket holder ('97, and have been attending games with my late father since '78). I hardly remember a game without a sellout in recent seasons, and our team has been piss poor...even last season we barely made the dance. I honestly can't really explain that cup run.
- Wodanaz


If you had read back further you would have seen the original comment surrounding the $ loss. Winning a Stanley Cup gives you an increased fan base which provides more revenue for the following season. I don't think anyone was bashing the LA fan base, merely suggesting an increase that could wipe out the negative in the dollar column.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:38 AM ET
I did get the first & last line

whew

- puckhead17


Accent a little thick for you, eh?
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:46 AM ET
Accent a little thick for you, eh?
- bloatedmosquito



eh!
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:49 AM ET
eh!
- puckhead17


I was trying to confuse you with my accent.
Wodanaz
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Chatsworth, CA
Joined: 02.25.2012

Nov 22 @ 12:50 AM ET
wondering if we will ever see our league again?

they are continuing to drink that dudes Kool aid, It's scary!

- puckhead17


We will...eventually. At this point, I honestly hope this season is cancelled. The main reason being that a shortened season takes the 'Iron Man/team' out of our sport. As silly as it sounds, I would rather no champion than one that didn't do it right. Just my personal, and somewhat romantic opinion.

Alternative reasons to my opinion include the >$12 K I will save (and earn a mediocre interest on), and the fact that it makes it easier to realize and participate in the notion that I actually have a family during the time that would normally be hockey season.

(j/k)
Wodanaz
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Chatsworth, CA
Joined: 02.25.2012

Nov 22 @ 12:59 AM ET
If you had read back further you would have seen the original comment surrounding the $ loss. Winning a Stanley Cup gives you an increased fan base which provides more revenue for the following season. I don't think anyone was bashing the LA fan base, merely suggesting an increase that could wipe out the negative in the dollar column.
- trolleytracks


No, I read that stuff. I apologize, as I was just defending a passion. I do not necessarily believe those Forbes numbers though...even if based on HRR, our owner definitely made a poope pot full of dough on the Kings considering the fact that he owns pretty much everything in the now 'LA Live' area of downtown, plus (not Kings related) pretty much every god darned sports arena in every darned counrty of the world, and the Kings started the season off in Europe playing in AEG owned arenas. AEG is monstrous.

You are absolutely correct in your assertion that the Kings will gain fans with their cup run...especially here in LA where everything sports seems to be bandwagon. (Frank) those people. Especially the former Ducks fans.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 1:29 AM ET
Do you know what I miss about no season? I miss doing this...


- bloatedmosquito


holy fuk. he wasnt kidding
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Nov 22 @ 1:43 AM ET

holy fuk. he wasnt kidding

- hugefemale dog77


That clip didn't show it but the next scene is him fixing his broken nose in the washroom mirror. Funny stuff.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 1:51 AM ET
That clip didn't show it but the next scene is him fixing his broken nose in the washroom mirror. Funny stuff.
- bloatedmosquito




i was thinking that!!! this guy has balls of solid rock. those euro soccer fans are gnarly, as if this guy doesnt get beat down
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Nov 22 @ 3:48 AM ET
No, I read that stuff. I apologize, as I was just defending a passion. I do not necessarily believe those Forbes numbers though...even if based on HRR, our owner definitely made a poope pot full of dough on the Kings considering the fact that he owns pretty much everything in the now 'LA Live' area of downtown, plus (not Kings related) pretty much every god darned sports arena in every darned counrty of the world, and the Kings started the season off in Europe playing in AEG owned arenas. AEG is monstrous.

You are absolutely correct in your assertion that the Kings will gain fans with their cup run...especially here in LA where everything sports seems to be bandwagon. (Frank) those people. Especially the former Ducks fans.

- Wodanaz


I don't think those include playoff revenue, which makes a lot of money for teams.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Nov 22 @ 3:51 AM ET
We will...eventually. At this point, I honestly hope this season is cancelled. The main reason being that a shortened season takes the 'Iron Man/team' out of our sport. As silly as it sounds, I would rather no champion than one that didn't do it right. Just my personal, and somewhat romantic opinion.

Alternative reasons to my opinion include the >$12 K I will save (and earn a mediocre interest on), and the fact that it makes it easier to realize and participate in the notion that I actually have a family during the time that would normally be hockey season.

(j/k)

- Wodanaz


I agree. If its still more than half a season I would probably get on board, especially since the playoffs could be great with players well rested. Each day I get less and less interested in this potential season though.

Hell thinking about it now, I wouldn't even feel bad if the Devils sucked during the shortened season. If its a bullpoop season i'd like a top pick more than scratching for a 6,7,8 seed.
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Nov 22 @ 4:17 AM ET
I agree. If its still more than half a season I would probably get on board, especially since the playoffs could be great with players well rested. Each day I get less and less interested in this potential season though.

Hell thinking about it now, I wouldn't even feel bad if the Devils sucked during the shortened season. If its a bullpoop season i'd like a top pick more than scratching for a 6,7,8 seed.

- rmdevil313


didn't your team just get to the finals as a 6th seed and lost to the 8th seed
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not here to sell jerseys , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Nov 22 @ 7:12 AM ET
Today's assignment is to write on the meaning and implications of NHLPA de-certification. Please be sure to explain anti-trust land the potential use of replacement players. Bonus points for best estimate on how long the Coyotes and Devils survive in a league where there are no restrictions on ow much players can be paid.

As usual, points will not be awarded for logical and accurate responses but on the length to which you will go to refute the arguments posted by others. Congratulations to MJL and Aetherial for their great work so far.
tmlfan69
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: YT
Joined: 07.28.2006

Nov 22 @ 7:15 AM ET
Eklund: Talks End. Gap shrinks. Getting Somewhere. Oh no, I meant gloom and doom.
- Eklund


I understand where this is coming from, but I'm having a hard time believing any of it. Any chance of some clarification?
Blueman2010
Joined: 08.20.2010

Nov 22 @ 7:30 AM ET
I have always partially followed the NFL, this year I have done the full shift over. The season being cancelled at this point doesn't matter to me.

I won't be watching hockey until next season at the earliest, just not fun for me right now.
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