I can't believe how disappointed I am in this hire. It's just so weird and awkward that AA would do this. After everything he's done the past week, this hire takes away from all the talent he's brought in.
- Scooby_Doo

Agreed. This is brutal.

But the Star article say that's not him, he's misjudged........ he's a warm individual.
- burn

I'm not sure who he's going to get into it with, we are lucky Escobar is gone, that would have been some major fireworks.

I'm not sure who he's going to get into it with, we are lucky Escobar is gone, that would have been some major fireworks.
- Leafland

Good riddance to Escobarsehole

Not sure why people are down on Gibbons, what was he supposed to do last time around with the team he had, playing in the AL East? Same as every other manager, manage a team that wasn't good enough. Don't know how you can judge any manager based on their record with the Jays since '93.

Good riddance to Escobarsehole
- As_I_See_It

Yup, bad apple.

I'm shaking my head like crazy because I'm one of the guys that want Romero gone.
- Leafland

His stats were average...there just wasn't anyone else to be paid like a number 1. He fell into a unreal contract...the pressure was too much. He's a 4-5 guy on most teams, which ironically is where he fits on the Jays now.

I'm not sure who he's going to get into it with, we are lucky Escobar is gone, that would have been some major fireworks.
- Leafland

I don't see escobar getting into it.... I see him as a problem (escobar) but not one to go fae to face/nose to nose with Gibbons (or anyone)

His stats were average...there just wasn't anyone else to be paid like a number 1. He fell into a unreal contract...the pressure was too much. He's a 4-5 guy on most teams, which ironically is where he fits on the Jays now.
- Scooby_Doo

proof u know just as little about baseball as you do hockey

proof u know just as little about baseball as you do hockey
- The_Vark

What exactly did he say that was wrong?

What exactly did he say that was wrong?
- Leafland

the guy had an off year to say he would be a 4-5 starter on most teams is not true

the guy had an off year to say he would be a 4-5 starter on most teams is not true
- The_Vark

He should have said most good teams.

He should have said most good teams.
- Leafland

also the stuff he said about gibbons ... the guy was a good fit and prob should not have been fired in the first place ..... he handled the lilly thing bad but other then that he's a good hire

Romero had a brutal year last year, but thats his first bad year of his short 4 year career. I can see why people would be down on him and might have soured on him, but to sit here and suggest that Romero is a 4-5 starter at best based on his career so far as a whole is laughable.

Us Canadian hockey fans, at times, make fun of the lack of hockey IQ and knowledge on the American side...this thread justifies the same outlook of American baseball fans of Canadians.

Romero had a brutal year last year, but thats his first bad year of his short 4 year career. I can see why people would be down on him and might have soured on him, but to sit here and suggest that Romero is a 4-5 starter at best based on his career so far as a whole is laughable.

Us Canadian hockey fans, at times, make fun of the lack of hockey IQ and knowledge on the American side...this thread justifies the same outlook of American baseball fans of Canadians.
- systemtool

Agreed 100%

Agreed 100%
- The_Vark

The thing with Romero, IMO, is that he isnt a true/legit Ace of a staff. That said, he slots in around the 2-3 hole on most teams. But its all in perspective. This past year, he proved to be nothing more than a 5th starter, but the season before he was among the top 20 pitchers in the game. What he is, is a player in between that mark.

The thing with Romero, IMO, is that he isnt a true/legit Ace of a staff. That said, he slots in around the 2-3 hole on most teams. But its all in perspective. This past year, he proved to be nothing more than a 5th starter, but the season before he was among the top 20 pitchers in the game. What he is, is a player in between that mark.
- systemtool

I would say he's a 2 -3 on most teams if he gets back to his old ways .... Its huge that he's a 3 -4 on this team shows how good our pitchings going to be this year ( I hope)

The thing with Romero, IMO, is that he isnt a true/legit Ace of a staff. That said, he slots in around the 2-3 hole on most teams. But its all in perspective. This past year, he proved to be nothing more than a 5th starter, but the season before he was among the top 20 pitchers in the game. What he is, is a player in between that mark.
- systemtool

You're not really saying anything different from anyone else.

also the stuff he said about gibbons ... the guy was a good fit and prob should not have been fired in the first place ..... he handled the lilly thing bad but other then that he's a good hire
- The_Vark

It's kinda like the Leafs rehiring Wilson...

As was corrected, I should have said most good teams. Romero is not an ace, not even close to it. Morrow on the other hand, he's got the stuff to be an ace.

Johnson
Morrow
Buehrle
Romero
Haap

Not sold on 4-5, but better them being there then 2-3.

You're not really saying anything different from anyone else.
- Leafland

True.
A lot needs to happen this year.
Romero return to form.
Lind return to form.
Lawrie, Rasmus, Arencibia keep on developing.
Reyes stay healthy.
Johnson stay healthy.
Bautista, encarnacion keep on producing.
Jansen, santos consistency.

In no particular order... But if 75% of those happen, it's playoffs time.

Lind and Romero being the thing we need least to happen.

You're not really saying anything different from anyone else.
- Leafland

You're not reading all the posts.

True.
A lot needs to happen this year.
Romero return to form.
Lind return to form.
Lawrie, Rasmus, Arencibia keep on developing.
Reyes stay healthy.
Johnson stay healthy.
Bautista, encarnacion keep on producing.
Jansen, santos consistency.

In no particular order... But if 75% of those happen, it's playoffs time.

Lind and Romero being the thing we need least to happen.
- Scooby_Doo

I think they could stand to improve at 2nd base as well, but thats not going to be an easy task. Iztures shouldnt be the guy, but its still a long off season. 3 year contract though was too long for him. Dont get that move, but understand the depth reasonings.

Romero and Lind returning to form would be huge for this team, but I agree that they are no longer main focuses. That said, maybe Romero is just as important as anyone on the pitching side considering the long term commitment to the team as opposed to a guy like Johnson with one year left.

well maybe if they didnt keep plugging him on the 3rd line

they need to bring him up and put him solidly on the second line and give him PP time to see what he really can bring to the table..
- Dozzer

that was never going to happen under the Ron Wilson regime.... same guy - who apparently made all the roster decisions.. brought Reimer back too soon at a time when the Monster was actually on a bit of a roll... same guy who kept Dupuis for a full half season - after which the penality demonstrably began to improve, same guy who used Schenn so intelligently.. same guy who so wonderfully handled that talented roster in San Jose to year after year disappointments in the playoffs...

now that he's out of the picture - we can only hope that Burke / Carlyle stop trying to mold players into a series of third line bangers.... does the player have to take defensive responsbility.. certainly... but just as Kessel will never win a Selke... it would be a waste of time to have try to ...

I think they could stand to improve at 2nd base as well, but thats not going to be an easy task. Iztures shouldnt be the guy, but its still a long off season. 3 year contract though was too long for him. Dont get that move, but understand the depth reasonings.

Romero and Lind returning to form would be huge for this team, but I agree that they are no longer main focuses. That said, maybe Romero is just as important as anyone on the pitching side considering the long term commitment to the team as opposed to a guy like Johnson with one year left.
- systemtool

Izturis was done before the trade, more to replace Johnson. I think Bonifacio will slot in there nicely, with a nice 60-40 combo with Izturis.

Romero had a brutal year last year, but thats his first bad year of his short 4 year career. I can see why people would be down on him and might have soured on him, but to sit here and suggest that Romero is a 4-5 starter at best based on his career so far as a whole is laughable.

Us Canadian hockey fans, at times, make fun of the lack of hockey IQ and knowledge on the American side...this thread justifies the same outlook of American baseball fans of Canadians.
- systemtool

Agreed.

It's kinda like the Leafs rehiring Wilson...

As was corrected, I should have said most good teams. Romero is not an ace, not even close to it. Morrow on the other hand, he's got the stuff to be an ace.

Johnson
Morrow
Buehrle
Romero
Haap

Not sold on 4-5, but better them being there then 2-3.


- Scooby_Doo

It's kinda not like that at all