see stuff like this is crazy. There are multiple players at every meeting. Sure there are dome idiots but some are very smart, not to mention they have agents they discuss this stuff with who are far more detailed on this crap then any of us. However, 0 owners attend the meetings.
- Bieksa#3

Just how I see it. If the players are willing to lose millions in HRR for the next several years, as well as precious time left in their career and pay check- both of which they will never get back- over a petty % and contractual rights, then they are playing a very short sighted game. Maybe it's time for them to take control of the situation and open their eyes to how things are playing out.

They put a lot of trust into Fehrs words, and he has told them to wait. Wait for the right time and they will get an amazing deal. But can't they see any evidence to the contrary? I just don't see how the waiting game will play into their hands. To be brutally honest, they are acting just like the cattle that Devellano accused them of being. Just following the figure head. Neither making decisions or thinking for themselves.

And the blind hate they have for Bettman is misguided and won't help them. A few months ago I felt the very same way about Bettman. But I mean, come the (frank) on. We all know the owners are really to blame here. So how can the players be so ignorant to it? They have lost all credibility in my mind. They have not taken the high moral ground- like they say they have- but have resorted to posturing and other means of obfuscation just as the owners. But to see the players stoop so low and then play innocent

Not a huge yost fan, but I'll give him this. He's one of the only bloggers or people in general that states both sides need to wake up instead of putting it all on one side
- Bieksa#3

He is the best blogger on this site by far. So it is not surprising you are not a fan.

He is the best blogger on this site by far. So it is not surprising you are not a fan.
- Aetherial

I think a certain Bill Meltzer would have something to here.....

He is the best blogger on this site by far. So it is not surprising you are not a fan.
- Aetherial

Is that you again Gary.

He is the best blogger on this site by far. So it is not surprising you are not a fan.
- Aetherial

woo

Just how I see it. If the players are willing to lose millions in HRR for the next several years, as well as precious time left in their career and pay check- both of which they will never get back- over a petty % and contractual rights, then they are playing a very short sighted game. Maybe it's time for them to take control of the situation and open their eyes to how things are playing out.

They put a lot of trust into Fehrs words, and he has told them to wait. Wait for the right time and they will get an amazing deal. But can't they see any evidence to the contrary? I just don't see how the waiting game will play into their hands. To be brutally honest, they are acting just like the cattle that Devellano accused them of being. Just following the figure head. Neither making decisions or thinking for themselves.

And the blind hate they have for Bettman is misguided and won't help them. A few months ago I felt the very same way about Bettman. But I mean, come the (frank) on. We all know the owners are really to blame here. So how can the players be so ignorant to it? They have lost all credibility in my mind. They have not taken the high moral ground- like they say they have- but have resorted to posturing and other means of obfuscation just as the owners. But to see the players stoop so low and then play innocent
- Dr3aMWeav3r

After all the delaying, lack of offers, and disrespectful tactics the PA have pulled, for Crosby to come out with his little blurb last week was unbelievable to be honest.

I mean, it is pretty clear that the PA is made up almost entirely of crybabies and morons, but they seem to always find room to sink even lower. The level of douchebaggery is impressive actually.

I think a certain Bill Meltzer would have something to here.....




- Giroux_Is_God

Paul McCain is good(Nashville blogger) Anderson is usually solid, M Stuart is very good.

I think a certain Bill Meltzer would have something to here.....




- Giroux_Is_God

Yeah, I gotta give props there also. Meltzer is good too.

After all the delaying, lack of offers, and disrespectful tactics the PA have pulled, for Crosby to come out with his little blurb last week was unbelievable to be honest.

I mean, it is pretty clear that the PA is made up almost entirely of crybabies and morons, but they seem to always find room to sink even lower. The level of douchebaggery is impressive actually.
- Aetherial

its almost like your at the meetings you know so much

Is that you again Gary.
- Bieksa#3

Yes Corky, i t, i s, m e, G a a a r r r e e e e y.

Now here is a nice piece of tree bark to go play with.

its almost like your at the meetings you know so much
- Bieksa#3

Thanks

Just how I see it. If the players are willing to lose millions in HRR for the next several years, as well as precious time left in their career and pay check- both of which they will never get back- over a petty % and contractual rights, then they are playing a very short sighted game. Maybe it's time for them to take control of the situation and open their eyes to how things are playing out.

They put a lot of trust into Fehrs words, and he has told them to wait. Wait for the right time and they will get an amazing deal. But can't they see any evidence to the contrary? I just don't see how the waiting game will play into their hands. To be brutally honest, they are acting just like the cattle that Devellano accused them of being. Just following the figure head. Neither making decisions or thinking for themselves.

And the blind hate they have for Bettman is misguided and won't help them. A few months ago I felt the very same way about Bettman. But I mean, come the (frank) on. We all know the owners are really to blame here. So how can the players be so ignorant to it? They have lost all credibility in my mind. They have not taken the high moral ground- like they say they have- but have resorted to posturing and other means of obfuscation just as the owners. But to see the players stoop so low and then play innocent
- Dr3aMWeav3r

there is blind hate for the leader of the a posing party on both sides. Bettman and Fehr are 2 of a kind. Both refuse to back down and make crsp up to the medi

Yes Corky, i t, i s, m e, G a a a r r r e e e e y.

Now here is a nice piece of tree bark to go play with.
- Aetherial

is this where I tell you to blow Jacobs again?

there is blind hate for the leader of the a posing party on both sides. Bettman and Fehr are 2 of a kind. Both refuse to back down and make crsp up to the medi
- Bieksa#3

"a posing"

After all the delaying, lack of offers, and disrespectful tactics the PA have pulled, for Crosby to come out with his little blurb last week was unbelievable to be honest.

I mean, it is pretty clear that the PA is made up almost entirely of crybabies and morons, but they seem to always find room to sink even lower. The level of douchebaggery is impressive actually.
- Aetherial

in Bold!

Love it!!!

there is blind hate for the leader of the a posing party on both sides. Bettman and Fehr are 2 of a kind. Both refuse to back down and make crsp up to the medi
- Bieksa#3

No
Gary is a byproduct of the owners more so than the blind Kool-aid being served up nice & cold by "the Donald"

No
Gary is a byproduct of the owners more so than the blind Kool-aid being served up nice & cold by "the Donald"
- puckhead17

How the (frank) are there still people out there who think that Bettman acts on his own volition?

Is that you again Gary.
- Bieksa#3

so basically anyone who has the wherewithal to see through the union's pathetic rhetoric is Gary Bettman? dude, grow up. not everyone allows the wool to be pulled over their eyes.

its almost like your at the meetings you know so much
- Bieksa#3

you're having a hard time following this process, i can see...

How the (frank) are there still people out there who think that Bettman acts on his own volition?
- As_I_See_It

Trudat!!

Imagine Gary telling Jacobs Snyder Ilitch Dolan Wirtz etc etc what to do, & how & where?

Gary has fuc&ed up a few times, true, but he's acting on part of all the billionaires in the league.

Fehr on the other hand has a different power, yes he's hired by the NHLPA, but somehow he's able to tell them it's ok to sit & wait................... another deal is coming.
meanwhile $$$ is getting flushed!

After all the delaying, lack of offers, and disrespectful tactics the PA have pulled, for Crosby to come out with his little blurb last week was unbelievable to be honest.

I mean, it is pretty clear that the PA is made up almost entirely of crybabies and morons, but they seem to always find room to sink even lower. The level of douchebaggery is impressive actually.
- Aetherial

Over the years, I've had the distinct pleasure of sitting across the table in contract negotiations with the Steelworkers and Autoworkers Unions. Delaying, not showing up at scheduled times for meetings, having a designated "yeller" at the table are all part of the tactics. Being disrespectful is all part of the game, if your skin is thin it will get to you.

Unless the circumstances are particularly dire for the company or the industry the union is involved in, they always start with looking to add to the wages and benefits they have previously negotiated in earlier contracts, not give up anything. When they eventually come to the conclusion that an offer is the best they are going to get, they settle. That is what is going to happen in this situation. The day to day antics mean absolutely nothing.

That said, I'd love to hear that one of the players punched Bettman out in the middle of one of the sessions. A lot of people would feel better hearing that.

Over the years, I've had the distinct pleasure of sitting across the table in contract negotiations with the Steelworkers and Autoworkers Unions. Delaying, not showing up at scheduled times for meetings, having a designated "yeller" at the table are all part of the tactics. Being disrespectful is all part of the game, if your skin is thin it will get to you.

Unless the circumstances are particularly dire for the company or the industry the union is involved in, they always start with looking to add to the wages and benefits they have previously negotiated in earlier contracts, not give up anything. When they eventually come to the conclusion that an offer is the best they are going to get, they settle. That is what is going to happen in this situation. The day to day antics mean absolutely nothing.

That said, I'd love to hear that one of the players punched Bettman out in the middle of one of the sessions. A lot of people would feel better hearing that.
- RickJ

1st bold - Even on this level?? (professional sports league)??

2nd bold - we may be out of time for this?? depends on the union leader

why did the players sign them instead of waiting to see about how the CBA was going to go? the players were fully aware and wanted very large signing bonus's to protect it

both were done in bad faith, or equal however you want to look at it
- dmarsden2988

No, not equal. Owners proposed rollbacks to contracts they just offered.

I told you Irish...dont bother even responding to Bieksa #3...Clearly a players stooge and is the biggest tool on these boards. Not a brain in his head so dont even bother.
- Iggysbff

+1

1st bold - Even on this level?? (professional sports league)??

2nd bold - we may be out of time for this?? depends on the union leader
- puckhead17

Do you see any outward sense of urgency from either side? They don't seem concerned about being out of time. A 55-60 game season seems to be OK for both sides. So, out of time for what?

If Fehr doesn't make any move toward the owners in this set of meetings, I think the NHL should call his bluff and announce the season has been cancelled and let the union stew on that until after Thanksgiving. I think their attitude may then change dramatically as early as next Monday.