i have 4 pages of people who think otherwise....

and what exactly are the options to talk about at this point?
- LetsGoIsles

Odd/Even gas rationing in NY starting 5am tomorrow

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Doesn't sound like things going well with NHL-NHLPA but doing play by play/making sense of offers we know so little about = mug's game.

Damn you NHL and NHLPA!!!!! Damn you both to hell!!!!

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Doesn't sound like things going well with NHL-NHLPA but doing play by play/making sense of offers we know so little about = mug's game.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Doesn't sound like things going well with NHL-NHLPA but doing play by play/making sense of offers we know so little about = mug's game.

NHLPA has tabled an offer...waiting to hear back from the NHL.

eagles GM and reid have an excellent relationship, i know for a fact that he loves reid. firing him would NOT be easy.
- LetsGoIsles

The Owner, Jeff Lurie will be the one making that decision. But the same principle applies between those two.

NHLPA has tabled an offer...waiting to hear back from the NHL.
- Pen15

If this results in the NHL walking away, or the rhetoric starting to fly from either side. Kiss the Season goodbye!

Not good enough. I want this thing done before the weekend.
- buffalofan19

in direct contrast to what eks says, ive heard this over and over..

“To echo others, huge afternoon in nhl labor negotiations. Will either be traction or this can go south quickly. Wednesday didn’t end well.”


fehr's gonna keep pushing and pushing imo.

some may call this his job, but a negotiator also needs to know when enough is enough and sign the deal.
dont be surprised if the nhl closes up there briefcases in exasperation and this season is done

eagles GM and reid have an excellent relationship, i know for a fact that he loves reid. firing him would NOT be easy.
- LetsGoIsles

that's why he hasn't been fired already.

@KatieStrangESPN: #CBA Source confirms @reporterchris' report that NHLPA submitted two offers, one on revenue-sharing, another on "Make Whole" provision

in direct contrast to what eks says, ive heard this over and over..

“To echo others, huge afternoon in nhl labor negotiations. Will either be traction or this can go south quickly. Wednesday didn’t end well.”


fehr's gonna keep pushing and pushing imo.

some may call this his job, but a negotiator also needs to know when enough is enough and sign the deal.
dont be surprised if the nhl closes up there briefcases in exasperation and this season is done
- hugefemale dog77

Fehr is an idiot just like Bettman...two friggin ego maniacs,that is why this deal isn't already done...and the owners are a bunch og jaggs...and the players are just as bad, they will make a deal that covers their asses, but not the next young guy coming into the league in a year or two

If this results in the NHL walking away, or the rhetoric starting to fly from either side. Kiss the Season goodbye!
- MJL

Most likely a walk away....it's rumoured the deal involves going to 50% share over 3 yrs...

Fehr is an idiot just like Bettman...two friggin ego maniacs,that is why this deal isn't already done...and the owners are a bunch og jaggs...and the players are just as bad, they will make a deal that covers their asses, but not the next young guy coming into the league in a year or two
- captainserious

Yup....that young guy will have the luxury of a cba that limits his moves, and a decreasing revenue stream after all the major sponsors pull out after another lost season.

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: NHLPA's offered concept to NHL on Make Whole would see players go down to 50-50 of HRR by Year 3. So there's a phase-in element to it

Donno how bad this is gonna piss off the owners

Most likely a walk away....it's rumoured the deal involves going to 50% share over 3 yrs...
- Pen15

well.... if the body of the conversation over the last few days made the NHL realize the PA was flat out not going to agree to a full drop off then maybe not.

3 years isnt really that long to drop 7%.. thats more than 2% a year

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: NHLPA's offered concept to NHL on Make Whole would see players go down to 50-50 of HRR by Year 3. So there's a phase-in element to it

Donno how bad this is gonna piss off the owners
- captainserious

Old news...i reported this 5 minutes ago.

@KatieStrangESPN: #CBA Source confirms @reporterchris' report that NHLPA submitted two offers, one on revenue-sharing, another on "Make Whole" provision
- captainserious

why?

table 1 good offer. where u both make sacrifices on everything.

not 2 where each offer gives up _____, but 'wins' everything else.

EK's optimism meter should be moving to the left pretty soon here

well.... if the body of the conversation over the last few days made the NHL realize the PA was flat out not going to agree to a full drop off then maybe not.

3 years isnt really that long to drop 7%.. thats more than 2% a year
- Dozzer

That's not soon enough imo. The pa is basing those projections off of what they WOULD make at 57%.

Given that there is currently no cba in place, that's a massive fallacy.

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: NHLPA's offered concept to NHL on Make Whole would see players go down to 50-50 of HRR by Year 3. So there's a phase-in element to it

Donno how bad this is gonna piss off the owners
- captainserious

im sure theyre semi prepared...

lets hope it wasnt like last time when the PA's offer actually gave them MORE in year 1!!!

That's not soon enough imo. The pa is basing those projections off of what they WOULD make at 57%.

Given that there is currently no cba in place, that's a massive fallacy.
- Pen15

agreed. however take note on how fast the PA went back to the table after the cancellation of the winter classic.

they know that was the one thing REALLY pressuring the owners to strike a deal.

I think the PA became more flexible after that.. hence the continued meetings

the winter classic was the NHL calling the unions bluff imo... and it was the right call (my perception as of right now anyways)

agreed. however take note on how fast the PA went back to the table after the cancellation of the winter classic.

they know that was the one thing REALLY pressuring the owners to strike a deal.

I think the PA became more flexible after that.. hence the continued meetings

the winter classic was the NHL calling the unions bluff imo... and it was the right call (my perception as of right now anyways)
- Dozzer

Agreed. The NHL really doesn't have much to lose at this point, players on the other hand will never see the $ they don't get paid on.

Either way, I think there will be some back and forth over the coming week...at least they're speaking the same language now - getting to this point has been key.

this worries me.

We're all (frank)ing (frank)ed. (frank) me

That's not soon enough imo. The pa is basing those projections off of what they WOULD make at 57%.

Given that there is currently no cba in place, that's a massive fallacy.
- Pen15

The PA was at 57% for one year. They worked their way up to that percentage. It is only fair to work down in steps also. Probably starting at around 53-54%.