I wasn't referring to the Oilers under the current cap, because the current cap will be non-existent soon. Ebs, Hall, Nuge, Yak at 6 per is $24M and if Schultz makes as smooth of a transition to the NHL as he has in the AHL then you can't assume that his salary wil remain where it is now. I'm not saying he will get 1.5 pts/gm in the NHL because that's ludacris but if he comes in at 50-70 points he's going to make more than his current salary and if he is a star in the NHL he can figure to get 5+ per. That's almost $30M in 5 players without a star goalie salary. If Dubnyk pans out like every Oiler fan religiouly believes then he will get a raise from his salary. Maybe it's the same old sh!t that people spew in here, but you guys constantly assume the cap wil be $70M every season when that isunrealistic. Can the NHL continue to grow? Sure they can but its growth will be slowed if not stalled because of the lockout. If you have $30M gone to 5 players with say a $58M cap you're really tightening the tie. The Oilers have big core of supertalented players and if they all pan out to what they're projected to be then Edmonton will have a tough time keeping them all. It's not a shot at Oilers fans to say that you have expensive talent, I don't know why you guys get so defensive. Anyone who doesn't want to blow every Oiler player gets called a troll, or gets their posts reported.
- trolleytracks

You are correct the current cap will be non-existent and we truly have no idea what it will be until they announce it, it could go up, stay the same, go down some or go down quite a bit. I think we have to look at it a couple of ways: 1. The players want their contracts honored (makes things tough when lowering salary caps) 2. Owners and GM's are always going to try and put the most competitive team on the ice and usually don't concern themseleves about money. 3. Union's think of the present members and let the future worry about itself and I believe the nhl/owners are more concerned with the future and not so much with the immediate present.

One thing I could possibly see happen is that the salary cap will be lowered, more so to help out struggling teams. In order for the NHL to honor all currently signed contracts all players contracts will be given a percentage in reduction to what they count against the cap (They will still be paid in full, so lets say someone getting paid 5 mil a year that use to count as a 5 mil cap hit gets paid 5 mil a year but only counts as a 4mil cap hit). All future contracts will be compared to other players new cap hit and not what they actually make, this goes towards new signings and arbitration, etc.

So if they end up doing something like this I don't think the Oilers will be anymore concerned about signings as they have been or any other current team that always seems to get around it. But even if the Oilers do end up having any issue trying to sign all these guys at somepoint, I don't see what the promblem is? Ask the Bruins how concerned they are when they new they had to make a signing decision on Kessel. It's a good problem to have.

That's hilarious. He's a funny guy.
- prock

The whole interview was great... One of the best I've seen on a late night talk show. The full thing isn't up, but they do have different parts up. These two, plus the other I posted... He ended up in the audience for a while there too, but I can't find that





I disagree with the very last thing he said though... In actuality, it makes it even hotter.

I disagree with the very last thing he said though... In actuality, it makes it even hotter.
- laughs2907

LOL. I don't care either way.

Holy crap, he's absolutely hilarious.

I would put Doughty and Seguin above him, potentially Nugent-Hopkins, but they're close. Eberle should be right up in the lower end of that range too. Pretty close to Tavares. Landeskog could catch them pretty quickly too.

I'm not a big Tavares fan. I've said it since day one, I don't think you'll ever see a completely elite player out of him. No Hart trophies, or Richard trophies, or anything like that. I don't think he has it in him. Don't get me wrong, he's good. But not top of the league type good.
- prock

I don't think Seguin is by any means a better player. Although thought I don't personally see it, maybe he'll be better in the future. But not now. Same goes for RNH. Could end up being better, but that list wasn't based on potential and what-if's. He finished 8th in the league in scoring in his 3rd year, playing with Moulson and a right-off-the-scrap-heap PA Parenteau.

Are you sure you aren't new?
- Lahey

Been here almost 3 years now.

I wasn't referring to the Oilers under the current cap, because the current cap will be non-existent soon. Ebs, Hall, Nuge, Yak at 6 per is $24M and if Schultz makes as smooth of a transition to the NHL as he has in the AHL then you can't assume that his salary wil remain where it is now. I'm not saying he will get 1.5 pts/gm in the NHL because that's ludacris but if he comes in at 50-70 points he's going to make more than his current salary and if he is a star in the NHL he can figure to get 5+ per. That's almost $30M in 5 players without a star goalie salary. If Dubnyk pans out like every Oiler fan religiouly believes then he will get a raise from his salary. Maybe it's the same old sh!t that people spew in here, but you guys constantly assume the cap wil be $70M every season when that isunrealistic. Can the NHL continue to grow? Sure they can but its growth will be slowed if not stalled because of the lockout. If you have $30M gone to 5 players with say a $58M cap you're really tightening the tie. The Oilers have big core of supertalented players and if they all pan out to what they're projected to be then Edmonton will have a tough time keeping them all. It's not a shot at Oilers fans to say that you have expensive talent, I don't know why you guys get so defensive. Anyone who doesn't want to blow every Oiler player gets called a troll, or gets their posts reported.
- trolleytracks

A modest projection to be sure.

That list is a little screwy. Obviously Eberle goes higher. So does Landeskog I’d say. Tyler Myers too. Duchene maybe a little. Bogosian, Couturier and Carlson way up.

I’d drop Tavares, OEL a little, Fowler a lot, Justin Faulk a LOT, O’Reilly a little, Hedman quite a bit. The rest, not bad I guess.


Clearly, however, Pronman must be trolling. Because, Oiler fans have tried to tell me that if an Oiler prospect is rated below anyone else, it must be trolling, and there is no way Seguin could be rated higher than Hall, and that Hall, Yakupov, and Nugent, are all better than Crosby, Malkin, and Ovechkin, and Mackinnon is nothing special, the Oilers got the best three players in at least 50 years.
- prock

that's total BS. that's what u want to hear because then it makes your argument more convienent. also, make your point, dont exaggerate to no end to try and drive it home. that bile at the end wasnt even close to the truth

your welcome to your opinion, thats what i always said. its certainly close, so i never hated on u for believing seguin is better. i just dont agree and explained why.

also, lets not pull the 'innocent lamb' act over getting called a troll bro.
u come into oiler threads all the time and needle and provoke. dont even bother denying it.
in fact, i generally enjoy the back and forth with u, as u know your stuff imo, it just gets old when it clearly becomes neverending trolling

I don't think Seguin is by any means a better player. Although thought I don't personally see it, maybe he'll be better in the future. But not now. Same goes for RNH. Could end up being better, but that list wasn't based on potential and what-if's. He finished 8th in the league in scoring in his 3rd year, playing with Moulson and a right-off-the-scrap-heap PA Parenteau.
- eichiefs9

Well, I assumed they were talking about projections, not at the moment. If they're talking about at the moment, then yes, you're right.

Seguin better than Hall.
- hugefemale dog77

It's all going to be okay there, big guy.

It's all going to be okay there, big guy.
- prock

superdouche

Well, I assumed they were talking about projections, not at the moment. If they're talking about at the moment, then yes, you're right.
- prock

they were.

prv was on the list. hedman was in the top ten, seguin and hall are both ahead of karlsson etc. etc.

that's total BS. that's what u want to hear because then it makes your argument more convienent. also, make your point, dont exaggerate to no end to try and drive it home..

your welcome to your opinion, thats what i always said. its certainly close, so i never hated on u for believing seguin is better. i just dont agree and explained to why.

also, lets not pull the 'innocent lamb' act over getting called a troll bro.
u come into oiler threads all the time and needle and provoke. dont even bother denying it.
in fact, i generally enjoy the back and forth with u, as u know your stuff imo, it just gets old when it clearly becomes neverending trolling
- hugefemale dog77

What you highlighted was so silly I didn't even respond to it.

they were.

prv was on the list. hedman was in the top ten etc. etc.
- hugefemale dog77

Incorrect. Nowhere in the primer does he mention anything about future projections.

With the Top 10 Prospects series behind us, I thought it would be a fun endeavor to rank the Top 50 players Under 23 in the NHL. The criteria I used to define a player's eligibility are the inverse of the Top 10 Prospects series, where players with more than 25 GP this past season or 50 NHL games are deemed eligible. A player also had to be 22 or under as of September 15, 2012.

The ranking process is similar to how my usual methods are done in some aspects, but different in others. Seeing as I focus most of the year following non NHL players, I had to rely on more external sources for information than I would in normal prospect rankings. I also place a higher (but not absolute) emphasis on advanced statistics and a player's output than I would in non-NHL leagues. Finally, while I normally give defense prospects slightly less value due to development risk, if a defenseman has shown to be panning out in the NHL, I don't consider that element. No goalies were considered because none fit the age and games played criteria.

Incorrect. Nowhere in the primer does he mention anything about future projections.

With the Top 10 Prospects series behind us, I thought it would be a fun endeavor to rank the Top 50 players Under 23 in the NHL. The criteria I used to define a player's eligibility are the inverse of the Top 10 Prospects series, where players with more than 25 GP this past season or 50 NHL games are deemed eligible. A player also had to be 22 or under as of September 15, 2012.

The ranking process is similar to how my usual methods are done in some aspects, but different in others. Seeing as I focus most of the year following non NHL players, I had to rely on more external sources for information than I would in normal prospect rankings. I also place a higher (but not absolute) emphasis on advanced statistics and a player's output than I would in non-NHL leagues. Finally, while I normally give defense prospects slightly less value due to development risk, if a defenseman has shown to be panning out in the NHL, I don't consider that element. No goalies were considered because none fit the age and games played criteria.
- eichiefs9

read the take on most of these dudes. he talks about nuge and ebs as if they aint even top line talent yet...and where they WILL be. right or wrong, this is future talk.
read prv's. he certainly isnt currently one of the top 50 players in the nhl at his age!! he didnt PLAY in the nhl last year, and might not this year!!

hamonic in the top 20? roman josi? nazem kadri?
i could go on and on

side note; i believe tavares belongs at 2 regardless of pronmans intentions.
tavares' skating is still a little suspect, something i thought would hold him back from the lofty projections, but hes delivered. no argument there..with basically no one around him

I think all of the Oilers prospects and current players are better than Crosby.

I would put Doughty and Seguin above him, potentially Nugent-Hopkins, but they're close. Eberle should be right up in the lower end of that range too. Pretty close to Tavares. Landeskog could catch them pretty quickly too.

I'm not a big Tavares fan. I've said it since day one, I don't think you'll ever see a completely elite player out of him. No Hart trophies, or Richard trophies, or anything like that. I don't think he has it in him. Don't get me wrong, he's good. But not top of the league type good.
- prock

I don't get how Seguin is above Tavares.

I think all of the Oilers prospects and current players are better than Crosby.
- robin_steele264

u speak for oiler nation!!!

read the take on most of these dudes. he talks about nuge and ebs as if they aint even top line talent yet...and where they WILL be. right or wrong, this is future talk.
read prv's. he certainly isnt currently one of the top 50 players in the nhl at his age!! he didnt PLAY in the nhl last year, and might not this year!!

i could go on and on

side note; i believe tavares belongs at 2 regardless of pronmans intentions.
tavares' skating is still a little suspect, something i thought would hold him back from the lofty projections, but hes delivered. no argument there..with basically no one around him
- hugefemale dog77

Right, which is why he has both ranked as low as they are. I think Eberle is better than half the guys on that list (Duchene, O'Reilly, Skinner, Henrique to name a few). Either way, I wasn't trying to be argumentative.

I have no idea how much or little you get to see the Isles, but Tavares skating has literally improved ten fold from his rookie season. He's not fast, but he is so incredibly strong and fluid on skates that he looks like a different guy from his first season. I can't wait until he gets a real RW to play with Not Brad Boyes...

u speak for oiler nation!!!
- hugefemale dog77

Future top picks are going to suck.

I think all of the Oilers prospects and current players are better than Crosby.
- robin_steele264

That's incredibly silly. Not all of them, but a good 15-16 of them are. I'd rank Crosby somewhere between Lander and Rajala.

That's incredibly silly. Not all of them, but a good 15-16 of them are. I'd rank Crosby somewhere between Lander and Rajala.
- laughs2907

I think they'll all sign for discounts and they'll all win all the trophies.


This is general consensus.



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Future top picks are going to suck.
- robin_steele264

Not really... If MacKinnon reaches his potential he'll be at Vande Velde's level someday. McDavid has an even higher ceiling in my opinion. If everything goes well for the young lad, I could see him being similar to Martindale.

I think they'll all sign for discounts and they'll all win all the trophies.


This is general consensus.




- robin_steele264[/img]

Can't disagree with that.

What you highlighted was so silly I didn't even respond to it.
- laughs2907

It's obvious hyperbole. That said, some of those were said.

Right, which is why he has both ranked as low as they are. I think Eberle is better than half the guys on that list (Duchene, O'Reilly, Skinner, Henrique to name a few). Either way, I wasn't trying to be argumentative.

I have no idea how much or little you get to see the Isles, but Tavares skating has literally improved ten fold from his rookie season. He's not fast, but he is so incredibly strong and fluid on skates that he looks like a different guy from his first season. I can't wait until he gets a real RW to play with Not Brad Boyes...
- eichiefs9

????we must have our wires crossed somewhere.
this is exactly what i mean. of course ebs is better than those guys right this minute. he had 76 points last year a tore it up on a terrible team. pronman just doesnt think he'll be better long term (which i personally think is WILDLY inaccurate)..so hence the lower rating.

anyway, whatever

also, i dont see tavares much to be honest. ive heard his skating has improved, and seen some evidence of this sporadically. but my point was even with improved skating, it's still not in the class of seguin or hall right? but imo, he still belongs higher on any list.
his head for the game, hands, and flat out productivity is better than theirs. hence the higher rating regardless of the skating