Well, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that its somewhat true that there are generational players on both ends of the oilers three draft years.... malkin, Crosby, ovechkin. There is a gap, then there is potentially mackinnon, but I think hell be a step below too. Connor mcdavid, however, that kid is pretty dominant, as a fifteen year old.... I think that's likely the next generational type talent to come along.

Look, these players at 16....

Crosby - 135 points.
Tavares - 134 points (8 more games)
Taylor hall - 84
Mackinnon - 80
Rnh - 65
Yak - Russia

At 17...
Crosby - 168
Tavares - 118
Rnh - 106
Taylor hall - 90
Mackinnon - looks like maybe around 100? Hard to tell.
Yak - 101
Seguin was 106 also by the way, but way better two way.

At 18..... NHL stats
Tavares, Taylor hall, rnh, similar rookie stats, with rnh the best of the three. But Sidney Crosby is obviously on another level. As he was at every level. I don't think that's even debate able. Mackinnon seems to be progressing along with rest of them. Maybe a little better, or at least, among the better ones of that group. And maybe as the season progresses, he turns it up, as he gets a little older. At this point, similar though.

Connor mcdavid is over a ppg as a fifteen year old...... he's doing what many of those guys did at 16, so far.

I mean who knows, but if you had to lump them all in one draft, I think you see Crosby, malkin, ovechkin, then a big gap, seguin/rnh, yak, hall. Mackinnon, maybe fitting in around seguin rnh, yak. Mcdavid, the most likely to join the top group.
- prock

Sam Gagner put up 118 pts at age 17.....

He's been sucking dyck. Still one of the best around though.
- prock

Ovechkin is still a good player, he's just a shell of his former self. He seems disinterested.

And Tavares >>> Seguin

Valid points, I agree that Dubnyk hasnt had the chance to showcase his worth as a starter. He may very well turn out to be a very good #1.

As for defense, I think Smid is a solid shut down guy, but Im not sold on Whitneys health. Nick Schultz is good, not great.

I dont think Edm is in a situation where they're on a downward spiral, I just dont think they have enough pieces on the back end to really turn the corner. I know its early and they are a young team, but it seems a lot of there future success is built off player projections. Just my 2 cents.
- fudd1689

Future success is generally based on projections. The Oilers have a solid core of young developing dmen that could prove to be sufficient. The key in any rebuild is to not panic, make foolish moves and short change the process.

It would seem prudent to allow the youngsters to develop and continue to stock the farm system. Then when they more fully understand what they have improve the team by trading secondary scoring for role players etc.

Yeah that would suck for sure. That being said I still hate the fcking Nucks...
- whipper334

Sam Gagner put up 118 pts at age 17.....
- RichardHertz

Gagner = Tavares

Gagner = Tavares
- robin_steele264

you been boozing again robin??? Sucking back on grandpas old cough medicine?

Sam Gagner put up 118 pts at age 17.....
- RichardHertz

Thanks pat kane.

you been boozing again robin??? Sucking back on grandpas old cough medicine?
- ruttager17

Just going by the mathematical model

Thanks pat kane.
- prock

hall nuge and yakupov > pat kane

Well, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that its somewhat true that there are generational players on both ends of the oilers three draft years.... malkin, Crosby, ovechkin. There is a gap, then there is potentially mackinnon, but I think hell be a step below too. Connor mcdavid, however, that kid is pretty dominant, as a fifteen year old.... I think that's likely the next generational type talent to come along.

Look, these players at 16....

Crosby - 135 points.
Tavares - 134 points (8 more games)
Taylor hall - 84
Mackinnon - 80
Rnh - 65
Yak - Russia

At 17...
Crosby - 168
Tavares - 118
Rnh - 106
Taylor hall - 90
Mackinnon - looks like maybe around 100? Hard to tell.
Yak - 101
Seguin was 106 also by the way, but way better two way.

At 18..... NHL stats
Tavares, Taylor hall, rnh, similar rookie stats, with rnh the best of the three. But Sidney Crosby is obviously on another level. As he was at every level. I don't think that's even debate able. Mackinnon seems to be progressing along with rest of them. Maybe a little better, or at least, among the better ones of that group. And maybe as the season progresses, he turns it up, as he gets a little older. At this point, similar though.

Connor mcdavid is over a ppg as a fifteen year old...... he's doing what many of those guys did at 16, so far.

I mean who knows, but if you had to lump them all in one draft, I think you see Crosby, malkin, ovechkin, then a big gap, seguin/rnh, yak, hall. Mackinnon, maybe fitting in around seguin rnh, yak. Mcdavid, the most likely to join the top group.
- prock

not sure what you're looking at.

Hall put up 90 pts in his 16 yo season... 106 pts in his 17 yo season.

Oh, and in OHL playoffs Hall put up 44 pts in each season.

Tyley Seguin put up 67 pts in his 16 yo season, and scored a total of 26 pts in playoffs both years combined.

Not to mention a little thing of being Mem Cup MVP back to back

not sure what you're looking at.

Hall put up 90 pts in his 16 yo season... 106 pts in his 17 yo season.

Oh, and in OHL playoffs Hall put up 44 pts in each season.

Tyley Seguin put up 67 pts in his 16 yo season, and scored a total of 26 pts in playoffs both years combined.

Not to mention a little thing of being Mem Cup MVP back to back
- steveb12344

Yeah, but the Oilers took Hall so Seguin is better! If the Oilers took Seguin, Hall would be the best.

Also Hall has heart and drive that Seguin will never have.

Like Seguin ,he could have went to Europe and got big money. He decided instead to stay and play in the AHL for peanuts, so he could play and further develop with his team.

Also i knew he was for real, when he came back a few days after having his face stepped on, at the end of a game down 5-2 when Renney pulled the goalie. There he was jumping in front of the net to block a Shea Webber shot.

The kid's compete level is off the charts.

Except Seguin did it with less ice time, and WAY less even strength and PP time. Yeah, he HD a lot of PK time, because despite scoring the same in way less ice time, he's miles better two way.

And I wasn't being sneaky. He was one goal off.
- prock

Seguin played 10 more games in season one, yet scored 20 less points...

Seguin played 20 more games in season two, yet only scored 14 more points, having 2 more goals

Hall played 1:15 a game more in season 2...so in the 60 games he played he had 75-ish more minutes than Seguin, but since Seguin played 20 more games @ 17 minutes a game he actually played 340 more minutes in those games...total of 323 more m inutes played than Hall. With only 2 more goals and 12 more assists.

Now according to NHL.com Seguin and Hall had pretty much 0 PK time, so I have no idea where you are getting your points info.

Seguin had 2:30 PP time/ game, with 15 PP points. Hall? Well he had 3 min/ game on PP and 21 points.

Seguin: 0.827 ppg, Hall : 0.869 ppg

In no way, shape, or form does Seguin come out hands down better than Hall.

Just stop dude you look worse and worse with trying to keep the troll fest going.


Oh and BtW...29 =/= 30...

not sure what you're looking at.

Hall put up 90 pts in his 16 yo season... 106 pts in his 17 yo season.

Oh, and in OHL playoffs Hall put up 44 pts in each season.

Tyley Seguin put up 67 pts in his 16 yo season, and scored a total of 26 pts in playoffs both years combined.

Not to mention a little thing of being Mem Cup MVP back to back
- steveb12344

Depends what you go by. Birth year, beginning of season. Whatever.

Its funny though, for a bunch of chumps that love to say that Hall would score more than Seguin on a better team, you're sure quick to ignore that Hall played on one of the most stacked junior teams of all time. Yet still couldn't outscore him.

Seguin played 10 more games in season one, yet scored 20 less points...

Seguin played 20 more games in season two, yet only scored 14 more points, having 2 more goals

Hall played 1:15 a game more in season 2...so in the 60 games he played he had 75-ish more minutes than Seguin, but since Seguin played 20 more games @ 17 minutes a game he actually played 340 more minutes in those games...total of 323 more m inutes played than Hall. With only 2 more goals and 12 more assists.

Now according to NHL.com Seguin and Hall had pretty much 0 PK time, so I have no idea where you are getting your points info.

Seguin had 2:30 PP time/ game, with 15 PP points. Hall? Well he had 3 min/ game on PP and 21 points.

Seguin: 0.827 ppg, Hall : 0.869 ppg

In no way, shape, or form does Seguin come out hands down better than Hall.

Just stop dude you look worse and worse with trying to keep the troll fest going.


Oh and BtW...29 =/= 30...
- OilHorse

Well said but unfortunately trolls have little use for facts and empirical evidence.

Depends what you go by. Birth year, beginning of season. Whatever.

Its funny though, for a bunch of chumps that love to say that Hall would score more than Seguin on a better team, you're sure quick to ignore that Hall played on one of the most stacked junior teams of all time. Yet still couldn't outscore him.
- prock

Hall is out scoring Seguin...look at the totals.

Hall is out scoring Seguin...look at the totals.
- OilHorse

Yeah but, but, but, Hall gets soooooo much more icetime than Seguin and gets top line minutes, not like the 4mins per game Seguin gets on a poopty second or third line in Boston. The bruins have no depth whatsoever after the topline, I don't know how they won the cup with that lack of depth.

Depends what you go by. Birth year, beginning of season. Whatever.

Its funny though, for a bunch of chumps that love to say that Hall would score more than Seguin on a better team, you're sure quick to ignore that Hall played on one of the most stacked junior teams of all time. Yet still couldn't outscore him.
- prock

Yes, and who was the MVP of that most stacked junior team of all time?

Seguin played 10 more games in season one, yet scored 20 less points...

Seguin played 20 more games in season two, yet only scored 14 more points, having 2 more goals

Hall played 1:15 a game more in season 2...so in the 60 games he played he had 75-ish more minutes than Seguin, but since Seguin played 20 more games @ 17 minutes a game he actually played 340 more minutes in those games...total of 323 more m inutes played than Hall. With only 2 more goals and 12 more assists.

Now according to NHL.com Seguin and Hall had pretty much 0 PK time, so I have no idea where you are getting your points info.

Seguin had 2:30 PP time/ game, with 15 PP points. Hall? Well he had 3 min/ game on PP and 21 points.

Seguin: 0.827 ppg, Hall : 0.869 ppg

In no way, shape, or form does Seguin come out hands down better than Hall.

Just stop dude you look worse and worse with trying to keep the troll fest going.


Oh and BtW...29 =/= 30...
- OilHorse

B b b b b b b but Hall was drafted by the Oilers, so he's not as good as Seguin.

Yeah but, but, but, Hall gets soooooo much more icetime than Seguin and gets top line minutes, not like the 4mins per game Seguin gets on a poopty second or third line in Boston. The bruins have no depth whatsoever after the topline, I don't know how they won the cup with that lack of depth.
- ruttager17

The problem here is that he posts stuff and no one fact checks...they just assume he knows what he is talking about.

Seguin gets a crap tonne of PK time? Umm no.

30 goals a season, ummm never...

Hall plays more minutes...huh, not sure where that math actually came from...

He just needs to stop...he has no idea what he is talking about.

The primary need of the Oilers mentioned by Kevin Lowe is a top pairing D-man, and those aren't easy to come by. Their is a log jam up front in Edmonton, Nail Yakupov,Teemu Hartikainen ,Magnus Paajarvi they are quality prospects and not to mention all LW. Of these prospects which one do you think can bring a top flight d-man in return?? Answer: obviously only Yak (even that's not 100%). So yea def not untouchable, a bunch of touted prospects does not make a team, the star-studded Edmonton Oilers farm team is currently slumping in the ahl. If I was an Oilers fan I'd be sick of talking about tomorrow and would welcome changes today, if you wait to long for your ''hopeful'' superstars Edmonton, they may be raising the cup in Seattle.
I think a Subban-Yakupov trade is a fair one.
Subban is looking for a long term deal, Montreal hasn't signed him because of the CBA

B b b b b b b but Hall was drafted by the Oilers, so he's not as good as Seguin.
- laughs2907

Obviously...(frank)...I don't know what to say about this guy....what is worse is that he was at it all day...just posting poop fact after poop fact...I am disappointed in you guys for not handing his ass to him...

Obviously...(frank)...I don't know what to say about this guy....what is worse is that he was at it all day...just posting poop fact after poop fact...I am disappointed in you guys for not handing his ass to him...
- OilHorse

I've been masturbating the last 5 hours... Leave me alone!

The problem here is that he posts stuff and no one fact checks...they just assume he knows what he is talking about.

Seguin gets a crap tonne of PK time? Umm no.

30 goals a season, ummm never...

Hall plays more minutes...huh, not sure where that math actually came from...

He just needs to stop...he has no idea what he is talking about.
- OilHorse

"no idea what he is talking about". Pretty much the perfect description of a troll. you are right about the lack of facts. I have no problem with someone thinking Seguin is better than Hall, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but to say he is hands down better and such is just ridiculous and using a complete lack of objectivity when comparing the two. For your time checking facts and proving this moron is in fact a moron, I will not tell you to suck it the next time I am fist.

Obviously...(frank)...I don't know what to say about this guy....what is worse is that he was at it all day...just posting poop fact after poop fact...I am disappointed in you guys for not handing his ass to him...
- OilHorse

I have not had time to check his facts because my girlfriend is making me watch the election cause her Uncle Mitt is like involved in it or something.