Then why comment about others that don't just like you...we all understand what is going on here...discussion...
- OilHorse

You need to lighten up and stop trying so hard!

As an Oiler fan i would do most of the deals proposed here. MPS is the only player who is still on the fence but jhonestly how long do you keep hoping he will break out before you move on and focus on the next high profile prospect instead. Move MPS and dont look back. It may be best for the player and the club.

Deal!!! (Takes another pull from crack pipe)
- glove_was_stuck

As an Oiler fan i would do most of the deals proposed here. MPS is the only player who is still on the fence but jhonestly how long do you keep hoping he will break out before you move on and focus on the next high profile prospect instead. Move MPS and dont look back. It may be best for the player and the club.
- gzatron

Longer than three years, that's for sure.

Longer than three years, that's for sure.
- Morris

I get it but we have been waiting a long time to have a competitive team. I am sick of saying we are 3 years away. We have been 3 years away for almost a decade. How about winning NOW!
I will give up a thus far overrated prospect to help my team today as long as it doesnt jeapordize the future.
MPS is not the Oilers saviour but would be a great tool in the box if he ever gets some 'tude.
If all the fans know this, I assume the players, coaches and MPS know this... so why is nothing ever different?

When the player comes out and says he thinks it's best that he be moved he is forcing a deal.
- Lahey

Let's keep the discussion accurate and on point.

The player did not "come out" but rather asked for a trade in his exit interview. It was Vigneault who let it slip. Luongo did not approach the media.
http://www.vancouversun.c...+trade/6684024/story.html

The Canucks clearly made the decision that they were going with Schneider moving forward. The need to trade Luongo was/is obvious. Stating that he is forcing a trade is not accurate...the fact that all know he has to be traded does diminish any leverage.

I know, but I'd rather discuss the implications of a such a deal rather than shoot it down and be left with nothing more to ponder, discuss, or argue. I'm about 95% certain that VAN wouldn't send Lu to the Oilers. For obvious reasons, of course.
- MaximumBone

I will be honest I put Tanev in there becasue I did not want to see 500 replies about "Every Vancouver fan puts Luongo and Ballard in a deal"

I think Luongo could be had for Peckham that is the true deal.

That leaves a void on Oilers D and leaves us with a void as a back up.

Khabbi is bad and costly and Ballard has a bad rep is costly. I think they wash each other out and their term is similar.

I think that is where we become true partners.

We help you in goals and get rid of the Drunk Russian

You help us on D and get rid of our 4 Mil # 6 D.

This is the deal that makes sense.

Understandable initial reaction, but what if he were to come back next season and score say... between 45-52 points in a 60 game, lockout shortened season. Would you then be interested in him as the set-up man Kesler has needed for oh so many years? The question lies in whether you'd rather buy low on a player with a proven offensive history and assume the risk that he doesn't reach those numbers again, or would you rather wait until he's proven the ability to achieve those numbers and buy at market price? This doesn't necessarily have to apply to Hemsky alone, but for the sake of maintaining the focus of this thread, let's try.
- MaximumBone

I like Hemsky, his problem is staying healthy. If you knew you could get 70 games out of him sure.Because of his history Gillis would be having to juggle his cap hit all year. That is where the problem lies, not the talent.

According to your blogger Horc is a good piece for your team. A contract is going back, that contract on Edm is Horc because Khabby is done this year.
- OilHorse

Ian has his opinions I have mine. I would rather have a cheaper Lapierre as a 3 rd line center . He is cheaper and more effective.

DONE!

If you think Pekham is a wow Dman you are delusional. If the Oil had a healthy team over the last few years, he would never have seen the NHL. He's an AHLer that will get the occasional call up. Nothing more. Khabby is off the books at the end of the year.

So basically you are giving us Lou and Tanev for nothing.

Thanks!
- Iggysbff

I think Peckham is a # 5 Dman on Canucks . Does #5 mean WOW?

If you want to give us Schultz or Yakupov I will take them instead.

I was trying to be more realistic of what Lu would bring back.

I like Hemsky, his problem is staying healthy. If you knew you could get 70 games out of him sure.Because of his history Gillis would be having to juggle his cap hit all year. That is where the problem lies, not the talent.
- VANTEL

Yeah yeah, but after that Kronwall hit last season, I can't see his shoulder being more of a problem than Kesler's, if any problem at all. He was looking solid (and whole) by the latter half of last year. I guess only time will tell!

Ian has his opinions I have mine. I would rather have a cheaper Lapierre as a 3 rd line center . He is cheaper and more effective.
- VANTEL

It's tough to compare the effectiveness of different players in (somewhat) different roles on different teams, but if it's a tie it def goes to Lapierre on account of the contract.

Yeah yeah, but after that Kronwall hit last season, I can't see his shoulder being more of a problem than Kesler's, if any problem at all. He was looking solid (and whole) by the latter half of last year. I guess only time will tell!
- MaximumBone

His 69 games last year were deceptive. Once he got back from injury he was an every night player, with the exception of a week where he had the flu.

I think Peckham is a # 5 Dman on Canucks . Does #5 mean WOW?

If you want to give us Schultz or Yakupov I will take them instead.

I was trying to be more realistic of what Lu would bring back.
- VANTEL

I can appreciate you trying to be more realistic. Cant say that of the majority of trade proposals we see being put out there. I think you are underselling a bit.

Luongo couldn't win the cup playing on a Presidents Trophy winning power house..... his time has come and gone......Why do you think they'd believe his back up is good enough and are considering moving him, aside from that ridiculous contract. They should fire the Jackass that drew that up first off.
He has had a history on not being able to finish. Get Linda Lovelace in net....at least she won't choke on the "big one". I can't see for 1 second how this helps the Oilers getting rid of 1 lousy contract (Horcoff) for another even worse one.
His own goal is to get back to the Florida area where his wife is. Not to come to Frozen Alberta for the "for the love of the game" Move on already!

Iggysbff Get your own avatar.......Loser!

I can appreciate you trying to be more realistic. Cant say that of the majority of trade proposals we see being put out there. I think you are underselling a bit.
- Iggysbff

Again it boils down to

Luongo IMO will not get us a top 6 forward that can make an impact unless he is packaged with Edler.

Sorry, but I like out bottom 6 better than the Oilers,so IMO no need to trade for that position. I feel once Oilers shore up their bottom 6 is where they become true contenders.Hawks and Bruins showed how important bottom 6 forwards are on a cup run.

So it leaves D . What would Oilers realistically ever trade on D .

I am not sure if I am really underselling or just trying to get rid of the media circus and the player that wants out. It will be a Rick Nash type deal where people say Canucks didn't get true value, but we wont be taking back crap . He can just as easily be put on waivers.

Again it boils down to

Luongo IMO will not get us a top 6 forward that can make an impact unless he is packaged with Edler.

Sorry, but I like out bottom 6 better than the Oilers,so IMO no need to trade for that position. I feel once Oilers shore up their bottom 6 is where they become true contenders.Hawks and Bruins showed how important bottom 6 forwards are on a cup run.

So it leaves D . What would Oilers realistically ever trade on D .

I am not sure if I am really underselling or just trying to get rid of the media circus and the player that wants out. It will be a Rick Nash type deal where people say Canucks didn't get true value, but we wont be taking back crap . He can just as easily be put on waivers.
- VANTEL

Your still on the hook for half his salary if he gets picked up on waivers
and there probably isn't a team in the league that won't snap him up at half price!

3. Because the Oilers are still at least two seasons away from being a reasonable team, and Luongo is already 33.

Last I checked Thomas was 35 when he won the cup with Boston.

I don't think his age is the biggest problem - its the contract he comes with.

Your still on the hook for half his salary if he gets picked up on waivers
and there probably isn't a team in the league that won't snap him up at half price!
- Rhino

I believe when a player is sent down and picked up by another team they take on full salary.

I believe on re-entry call up if a team picks him up then we are paying half the bill.

Not exactly sure but I think it is that way.

I believe when a player is sent down and picked up by another team they take on full salary.

I believe on re-entry call up if a team picks him up then we are paying half the bill.

Not exactly sure but I think it is that way.
- VANTEL

That is correct, only on re-entry waivers each team pays half the salary.

That is correct, only on re-entry waivers each team pays half the salary.
- oooilersss

Gillis would never call him back on re-entry knowing he would be down 2.6 Mil for the next 6 years or more for an empty locker. It would be a one way trip and an end of a career for Lu,much like Redden.

Gillis would never call him back on re-entry knowing he would be down 2.6 Mil for the next 6 years or more for an empty locker. It would be a one way trip and an end of a career for Lu,much like Redden.
- VANTEL

Wow- I just cant see Lu being put on waivers... It seems like such a slap in the face to a bona-fide star goalie... he is 33 right now not 43 like the dominator... I know his value is decreased by the term and dollars in this contract but he has at least 4 good years or more in him at #1 goalie... and anything thinking he does not make the oil better instantly is crazy... dubey is great at being inconsistent... the allowance of soft goals makes many like myself nervous...which is why I would welcome a starter like Lu

On the hypothetical of Lu in the minors...
I believe if he was sent down to the minors and not claimed, if then traded he could be assigned to the NHL directly without having to re-enter for his new team. I'm not sure about this though.

If you are believing that then you are ignorant of the facts
- OilHorse

I think they're both incapable of being starters but, for the sake of argument, here you go.

Dubnyk .910 SV% 2.85 GAA 4 SO

Reimer .911 Sv% 2.83 GAA 6 SO

Career numbers for both. Dub-101 games, Reim-71 (thanks in large part to Brian Gionta running him over).