A massive difference of one year. Lupul will be 30 when he's a UFA.

If this team were already a Conference Finals type of team, it's a different situation but sitting at 26th overall last year and with that being unlikely to change with or without a season this year, it's time to find the highest bidder for Lupul and keep this rebuild going in the right direction.
- Two_For_Truth

I don't know about that, pretty much all the worst that could happen did, I mean when a guy you counted on the season before goes from 30 goals to 7, your starting goalie gets hurt and suffers a sophmore slump, and I can go on, I'm pretty certain we won't repeat 26th overall. As much as I want them to finish 30th, and believe me I do UG, I just can't see this team sucking that bad again. I know you'll never say it, but Kessel is an elite player, you don't finish 6th in points and 6th in the league in goals without being one. He's not a guy you build a team around, or trade a future #1 centre and top 4 d-man for cough cough, but he's only going to get better. Plus the addition of JVR, I dunno man if I can assume another top 10 pick here. Again, if the plan is to move Kessel, which it isn't as long as burke is here, then I can't see why or how moving Lupul is a good idea since if anything, Kessel, Lupul and Grabo are the only forwards we can be happy with on this team currently.

A full year lockout benefits the Leafs in many ways but this is not one of them. Losing Lupul for nothing would be a significant lost opportunity to trade him at peak value and further build the future of this team.
- Two_For_Truth

is there something wrong with you? Lupul was literally one of the ONLY TWO good pieces the leafs had last year, the other being Gardiner who didnt make a huge impact being a rookie. If the Leafs give up Lupul I will stop being a fan, which I have been my whole life.

Philosophical issues aside, I'm sure Perry and Getzlaf are absolutely dying to sign a 5 year deal in Toronto. Nothing like going from pressure free, sunny beaches to the mother of all fishbowl markets.
- Two_For_Truth

Perry and Getzlaf have done it all what do they have to lose? Money talks and Toronto has plenty of it not to mention cap space.

Perry Cares, Getzlaf doesn't. one difference between those two.
- vancity787

Neither likely want to play in Toronto. One similarity.

Tucker had 28 goals and 61 points to Lupul's 23 goals and 68 points.

Their exact age is semantics at this point and besides the point. The team is in the wrong position to be giving guys in their 30s long term extensions for one good year.
- Two_For_Truth

74 28 33 61 is not the same as 66 25 42 67,
31 years old is not the same as 28 years old.

And the way things are going, there won't be a long-term extension for Lupul.

Again, what is the return on Lupul you'd look for. If its good enough, that will convince me.

is there something wrong with you? Lupul was literally one of the ONLY TWO good pieces the leafs had last year, the other being Gardiner who didnt make a huge impact being a rookie. If the Leafs give up Lupul I will stop being a fan, which I have been my whole life.
- TerryO94

One year makes a career.

What else is new?

Tucker had 28 goals and 61 points to Lupul's 23 goals and 68 points.

Their exact age is semantics at this point and besides the point. The team is in the wrong position to be giving guys in their 30s long term extensions for one good year.
- Two_For_Truth

Age doesn't tell the whole story though. Tucker at age 30 (and players like Tucker) have gone through much more wear and tear than a finesse player would have.

One year makes a career.

What else is new?
- Two_For_Truth

One year was enough to write Lupul off and include him as an extra piece in the Beauchemin deal. All the other years, he looked like a very decent top 6 forward, and the one shot he got at a top line role, he more than made his mark.

Sorry, he was a young punk in Edmonton and thought he was too good, plus well, Edmonton sucked then. In Anaheim (first time) and Philly he was solid.

I can go on, I'm pretty certain we won't repeat 26th overall.
- mykokes

No, of course not. Impossible with Reimer and Scrivens in net.

One year was enough to write Lupul off and include him as an extra piece in the Beauchemin deal. All the other years, he looked like a very decent top 6 forward, and the one shot he got at a top line role, he more than made his mark.
- mykokes

Lupul was a salary dump by Anaheim, the price of taking on that dump was Gardiner. Worked out well for Burke!

No, of course not. Impossible with Luongo in net.
- Two_For_Truth

Fixed

Age doesn't tell the whole story though. Tucker at age 30 (and players like Tucker) have gone through much more wear and tear than a finesse player would have.
- PootieTang

You want to exclude Lupul from the wear and tear discussion?

Outstanding.

No, of course not. Impossible with Reimer and Scrivens in net.
- Two_For_Truth

Of course, the modern day Ken Wregget and Alan Bester tandem! You really think Reimer will be as bad as he was last season? I mean its possible, its equally possible he won't. There's an equal sample size to indicate both possibilities, so no probability can be established. That's neither optimism or pessimism.

Again, what is the return on Lupul you'd look for. If its good enough, that will convince me. <----- this is where we can have fun as posters on this site, speculate for once, for once provide a theory rather than just observing and criticizing. I know you have opinions, this is the one I want to hear.

Of course, the modern day Ken Wregget and Alan Bester tandem! You really think Reimer will be as bad as he was last season? I mean its possible, its equally possible he won't. There's an equal sample size to indicate both possibilities, so no probability can be established. That's neither optimism or pessimism.
- mykokes

It's actually not.

You want to exclude Lupul from the wear and tear discussion?

Outstanding.
- Two_For_Truth

I never said Lupul. You seem to think 30 years old is pushing retirement when the fact is age really doesn't tell the whole story. A 35 year old can easily be in better shape than a 25 year old. You want to trade Lupul because he is pushing 30 is just ridiculous, especially when this team is dying for leadership and mentors.

It's actually not.
- Two_For_Truth

There's a slightly better at worse equal sample size that says Reimer is a great goalie as opposed to a bad one.

2011-12 Toronto NHL 34 14 14 4 1879 97 974 3.10 .900 3 0 - 2 - -
2010-11 Toronto NHL 37 20 10 5 2080 90 1134 2.60 .921 3 2 - 1

So, why should I take the worse sample as truth as opposed to the best sample? Is it Murphy's Law?

Again, what is the return on Lupul you'd look for. If its good enough, that will convince me. <----- this is where we can have fun as posters on this site, speculate for once, for once provide a theory rather than just observing and criticizing. I know you have opinions, this is the one I want to hear.
- mykokes

At least a 1st round pick and a good prospect, if not more on deadline day.

If as scrapheap Beauchemin could get the Leafs Lupul and Gardiner, a healthy and effective Lupul should get a hell of a return.

There's a slightly better at worse equal sample size that says Reimer is a great goalie as opposed to a bad one.

2011-12 Toronto NHL 34 14 14 4 1879 97 974 3.10 .900 3 0 - 2 - -
2010-11 Toronto NHL 37 20 10 5 2080 90 1134 2.60 .921 3 2 - 1

So, why should I take the worse sample as truth as opposed to the best sample? Is it Murphy's Law?
- mykokes

As much as you'd like to convince yourself that success in the NHL is as likely as a coin toss, it's not that simple.

I never said Lupul. You seem to think 30 years old is pushing retirement when the fact is age really doesn't tell the whole story. A 35 year old can easily be in better shape than a 25 year old. You want to trade Lupul because he is pushing 30 is just ridiculous, especially when this team is dying for leadership and mentors.
- PootieTang

Not to mention he's not even 30, and won't be for another year. I believe in a rebuild like UG wants, but I don't think Lupes has quite maxed out his value just yet. Nor has Kessel.

At least a 1st round pick and a good prospect, if not more on deadline day.
- Two_For_Truth

Are we assuming this is next years deadline? If so, Lupul must be having another pretty damn good season to net that kind of return. Yeah lets trade him.

I never said Lupul. You seem to think 30 years old is pushing retirement when the fact is age really doesn't tell the whole story. A 35 year old can easily be in better shape than a 25 year old. You want to trade Lupul because he is pushing 30 is just ridiculous, especially when this team is dying for leadership and mentors.
- PootieTang

This team isn't dying for leadership or mentors. It's dying to be rebuilt properly. Unfortunately, Lupul is approaching the wrong side of 30. If this was a Conference Finals type of team, it's a different story. Unfortunately, they're a 26th out of 30 type of team.

As much as you'd like to convince yourself that success in the NHL is as likely as a coin toss, it's not that simple.
- Two_For_Truth

It's not a coin toss, and my observations haven't indicated such. My observations indicate equal possibility, and no set probability in the case of Reimer. For all the reasons you told us not to get too excited about Reimer last season, the same reasons exist not to get too down on him. Likewise, while a PPG is probably much to ask from Lupul, 50-60 points and 25-30 goals going forward when healthy isn't. As he has a history of doing such that goes beyond one career year.

Are we assuming this is next years deadline? If so, Lupul must be having another pretty damn good season to net that kind of return. Yeah lets trade him.
- PootieTang

It would have to be this trade deadline because Lupul is a UFA after this year so he won't be Leafs property next deadline.

At least a 1st round pick and a good prospect, if not more on deadline day.
- Two_For_Truth

I could live with that return, but the 1st has to be higher than 20 and in the 2013 draft. 20-30 means poop to me.

It's not a coin toss, and my observations haven't indicated such. My observations indicate equal possibility
- mykokes

Beautiful and yet so contradictory.