So, the point is that you don't like the way he is negotiating. If you are a member of the PA, you really shouldndo something.

Why are his offers diversions and the owners real? If not negotiating properly is NOT NEGOTIATING, what is not agreeing to meet and cancelling a month's worth of games called?

Both sides are playing hard ball. I'm sorry you find it so upsetting.
- Canada Cup

Just as i thought. You can't answer my question to you, because there is no answer.

The employees don't have the right to dictate the way thier employers run thier business. It is simply Fehr's way of stalling things and trying to force the owners to give in.

IMO He is making a severe error in judgement on this one, and when the smoke settles it will be clear for everyone to see

Just as i thought. You can't answer my question to you, because there is no answer.

The employees don't have the right to dictate the way thier employers run thier business. It is simply Fehr's way of stalling things and trying to force the owners to give in.

IMO He is making a severe error in judgement on this one, and when the smoke settles it will be clear for everyone to see
- steveb12344

who's dictating? fehr's inching on down with his offers. if they are easy to dismiss o'well, he will keep inching on down till the NHL accepts a deal. that way the players dont give up more than they have to. why pay $1 for something when you can get it for 50 cents?

And that is going to work better than it did in 2004 when the owners held out for a year, got everything they were looking for (cap and a significant roll back) and broke the union.

And here we are again with more teams losing money than before the last lock out - how is that planning working out?

We will keep doing this over and over again until the League fixes its real problems -- 6 or 7 teams that cannot keep up financially with the top revenue generating teams that are driving up the salary floor.

No matter how far they roll back salaries, we will be back in the same situation at the end of every CBA.

Three choices:

create a league made up of Peewee players who will work for free juice boxes (even then the Coyotes might be in trouble)

get rid of the salary floor or widen the gap between cap and floor rhough a luxury tax or something

get rid of a few bottom feeder teams through some combination of relocation and contraction
- Canada Cup

It's too bad they didn't break the union harder.

this is not a negotiation. the PA has no power. this is bettman publically beating the PA in submission.
- joshs

Why?

The players have already admitted they are willing to go to 50/50.

They have publicly stated they just want thier contracts honoured.

Bettman offer to Make Whole the amounts of thier contracts.

The Leage just needs the players % to go down so the cap can go down,thus turning most of $losing teams into $making teams.

Fehr's "players paying players" excuse in reality won't affect thier current salarys, and will really only be felt by the fact owners will have to tighten up for a few years and curb the stupid overinflated signings for a while. Most players will be largely unaffected by it, and barely even notice the difference.

So you tell me: WHY CAN THEY NOT WORK WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK TO GET SOMETHING DONE?

Also: WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY ACTUALLY FIGHTING FOR AT THIS POINT?

who's dictating? fehr's inching on down with his offers. if they are easy to dismiss o'well, he will keep inching on down till the NHL accepts a deal. that way the players dont give up more than they have to. why pay $1 for something when you can get it for 50 cents?
- joshs

Because by the time he gets it for 50 cents, he will be lucky if it's still even worth a quarter.

...

I think everything is hilarious, especially when young dumb twats help thin out the population. But, you asked nicely.
- LOLKessel

Thank you

Because by the time he gets it for 50 cents, he will be lucky if it's still even worth a quarter.
- steveb12344

this is true.

Why?

The players have already admitted they are willing to go to 50/50.

They have publicly stated they just want thier contracts honoured.

Bettman offer to Make Whole the amounts of thier contracts.

The Leage just needs the players % to go down so the cap can go down,thus turning most of $losing teams into $making teams.

Fehr's "players paying players" excuse in reality won't affect thier current salarys, and will really only be felt by the fact owners will have to tighten up for a few years and curb the stupid overinflated signings for a while. Most players will be largely unaffected by it, and barely even notice the difference.

So you tell me: WHY CAN THEY NOT WORK WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK TO GET SOMETHING DONE?

Also: WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY ACTUALLY FIGHTING FOR AT THIS POINT?
- steveb12344

o no i agree with you. i havent read the last contract (even though it was made public). i wish the players would have negotiated off of the NHL's offer. i keep fliping my POV on this. 1 minute i hate the PA the next i hate the owners. maybe i should just hate them both lol.

o no i agree with you. i havent read the last contract (even though it was made public). i wish the players would have negotiated off of the NHL's offer. i keep fliping my POV on this. 1 minute i hate the PA the next i hate the owners. maybe i should just hate them both lol.
- joshs

I just can't help think that if Fehr really wanted to save the season that he could have found a way to work off of that offer.

The part that makes me so angry is that he strategically refuses to work with anything the league sends his way, and turns around and spins it that the league is the one that doesn't want to meet.

Doing it Fehr's way will now insure that nobody wins in this mess.

I just can't help think that if Fehr really wanted to save the season that he could have found a way to work off of that offer.

The part that makes me so angry is that he strategically refuses to work with anything the league sends his way, and turns around and spins it that the league is the one that doesn't want to meet.

Doing it Fehr's way will now insure that nobody wins in this mess.
- steveb12344

Furthurmore; Fehr's only interest in this thing is that when it's all over, he wants to be looked back upon as the one that made the NHL buckle and give in to his demands.

He doesn't care if the league, players, and fans all have to pay the price in his wake.

The guy is a lying, manipulative sack of crap. Everything he says in the media is designed to make the league look bad, and try to sway public opinion.

Everything he tells the players is to make them angry with the league, and take advantage of thier confrontational and competitive natures.

The truth is the leagues last offer was very close to what would have satisfied the players, it just wouldn't sitisfy Fehr's desire to be known as "THE MAN WHO MADE BETTMAN GROVEL AT HIS FEET.

Sad...Truly just sad!

Eklund: Time For Bettman/Fehr to Allow Others to Build Trust #NHLPlayer2NHLPlayer
- Eklund

Do you have another part time job you can fall back on?

Canadian dollar is not the key factor in revenue growth. Three of the top five revenue teams are American.
- Canada Cup

It is not THE key factor, but contributes largely, and there is a pretty decent chance it drives revenues down over the next few years.

It is not THE key factor, but contributes largely, and there is a pretty decent chance it drives revenues down over the next few years.
- NightTrain_AlMo

NHL revenue grew at close to 10% last Season. The Canadian dollar was responsible for between .9 and 1.5% of that growth.