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Here's the chosen one lying for you.

you can put the bolded parts together however you want..

how is Obamacare good for this country? Does healthcare need to be reformed, yes. Is it the ability of the Federal government to do it, not according to the constitution. This bill that he pushed through goes against the constitution and is skyrocketing the cost of health insurance for those that already have it.
- SabresFaninIndiana

ill tell you why obamacare is good for this country. and this is coming from a canadian who now lives in the united states.

because healthcare in the USA is a travesty of the greatest proportions. it bankrupts individuals and families. there's no reason someone who has a sickness or disease should be saddled with such a debt burden. it's like they're being punished for being sick.

and yes, they can get health 'insurance.' but even with insurance, a pretty good portion of the bill still remains.

i could go on and on. when people back home in canada ask me if the horror stories they've heard about the us healthcare system are true, i say...'it's worse than you can imagine.'

americans would rather pay health insurance premiums to their employers or insurance providers instead of paying higher taxes for universal healthcare. but as soon as someone threatens their social security or medicare, they cry foul.

what's the difference between medicare payroll deductions and a potential higher tax for gov't run healthcare? i don't get it.

my conservative american friends say it's all in the name of freedom, liberty and not having gov't interfere with their lives. well, have fun with the huge hospital bill you or someone in your family will inevitably get in the mail one day. but hey, at least you've still got your liberties.

end rant.

and don't get me started on maternity leave.

in canada, my wife would have been given a full year of mat leave to bond with our child. and she would have been collecting approx 65% of her salary during that year on mat leave.

here in the usa, she got 3 months and had to buy disability 'insurance.' lol

ill tell you why obamacare is good for this country. and this is coming from a canadian who now lives in the united states.

because healthcare in the USA is a travesty of the greatest proportions. it bankrupts individuals and families. there's no reason someone who has a sickness or disease should be saddled with such a debt burden. it's like they're being punished for being sick.

and yes, they can get health 'insurance.' but even with insurance, a pretty good portion of the bill still remains.

i could go on and on. when people back home in canada ask me if the horror stories they've heard about the us healthcare system are true, i say...'it's worse than you can imagine.'

americans would rather pay health insurance premiums to their employers or insurance providers instead of paying higher taxes for universal healthcare. but as soon as someone threatens their social security or medicare, they cry foul.

what's the difference between medicare payroll deductions and a potential higher tax for gov't run healthcare? i don't get it.

my conservative american friends say it's all in the name of freedom, liberty and not having gov't interfere with their lives. well, have fun with the huge hospital bill you or someone in your family will inevitably get in the mail one day. but hey, at least you've still got your liberties.

end rant.
- hnic

that is all well and good and like i said healthcare reform is needed... my beef is not just with the current form that is being put in place it is the way it was done.. The USA constitution was put into affect so that there were the appropriate checks and balances and spread of power so that one entitity did not get too much power and take everything over. This is precisely what is happening, healthcare reform is one of the rights of the individual state and should be handled that way, just like it was in Mass. with Romney.. The whole two party system we have reduced the country and large government is exactly what the founding father feared and it is coming true.

and don't get me started on maternity leave.

in canada, my wife would have been given a full year of mat leave to bond with our child. and she would have been collecting approx 65% of her salary during that year on mat leave.

here in the usa, she got 3 months and had to buy disability 'insurance.' lol
- hnic

There is no doubt that Health Care in teh US needs to be reformed. In most industries the cost over time of a product of service goes down. In health care it is constantly rising. There are a lot of theories as to why.

Obamacare is not a univesal health care like Canada or Europe have. It is an extension of madicaid. (Medicaid is low income govt provided health care) Obama wants to extend Medicaid to more people. To pay for this, if you do not buy your own HC, you will be taxed. If an employer does not provide it, they will be taxed. Even to part time employees. The problem with that is, HC is already so $$$$ companies want to cut employees because of this, or decrease pay. Everyone in my family owns a busniess. HC is redicioiuls expense.

The other problem with Obamacare is Medicaid itself. It is loaded with fraud and govt waste. There are estimates that over 60% of it is wasted. The other issue is that healthcare providers hate medicaid. If a service costs $100, insurance typicaly will reimburse 75%. Medicaid is below 50% and only covers a minimal amount of procedures. The provider must foot teh rest of the bill. The reimbursement takes months to receive and is huge buttload of paperwork. So ask a MD what they think of Obamacare next time you're sick. Not to mention the amount of fat sick and lazy ppl that make up teh US that already eat at the system.

Now lets say you're an MD. You spent over 100k in student loans to have a good job, and over 10 yrs in school and residency. Obama wants to incrase tax on that individual to spread teh wealth, then if they own their own practice, they must provide HC, another hit, on top of that, small businesses will pay another increase in taxes. These fees and taxes start to add up to someone who took a risk, invested in themselves and wanted a better life.

that is all well and good and like i said healthcare reform is needed... my beef is not just with the current form that is being put in place it is the way it was done.. The USA constitution was put into affect so that there were the appropriate checks and balances and spread of power so that one entitity did not get too much power and take everything over. This is precisely what is happening, healthcare reform is one of the rights of the individual state and should be handled that way, just like it was in Mass. with Romney.. The whole two party system we have reduced the country and large government is exactly what the founding father feared and it is coming true.
- SabresFaninIndiana

i understand that because in canada each province is responsible for their health plan and it works well.

didn't the supreme court just rule that if states elect not to participate in the expansion of medicaid, they can't have their medicaid funds stripped? that's sort of a win for conservatives isn't it?

and don't get me started on maternity leave.

in canada, my wife would have been given a full year of mat leave to bond with our child. and she would have been collecting approx 65% of her salary during that year on mat leave.

here in the usa, she got 3 months and had to buy disability 'insurance.' lol
- hnic

So in Canada if Im your wife's boss. I have to pay her 65% of her salary for a yr while she sits at home and watches TV with her kid because she decided to get preggo? Or do taxpayers foot that bill?

So in Canada if Im your wife's boss. I have to pay her 65% of her salary for a yr while she sits at home and watches TV with her kid because she decided to get preggo? Or do taxpayers foot that bill?
- sammy87

get ready for it, you're not gonna like it.

it's a government benefit. gasp!

i understand that because in canada each province is responsible for their health plan and it works well.

didn't the supreme court just rule that if states elect not to participate in the expansion of medicaid, they can't have their medicaid funds stripped? that's sort of a win for conservatives isn't it?
- hnic

i haven't fully looked into the details on that so i am not sure... But either way i would anticipate that any privately held health insurance company will be bankrupt or out of business within 10 years if it goes through

get ready for it, you're not gonna like it.

it's a government benefit. gasp!
- hnic

See I think that's great in theory....but do people abuse the system? Do people keep pumping out kids and going on and off work? That would happen here, and that's why conservatives don't like govt benefits. Theres too much abuse. If you make 5k a month and you take home about 3200 after taxes, the last thing you want to see if your money flushed down teh toilet.

There is no doubt that Health Care in teh US needs to be reformed. In most industries the cost over time of a product of service goes down. In health care it is constantly rising. There are a lot of theories as to why.

Obamacare is not a univesal health care like Canada or Europe have. It is an extension of madicaid. (Medicaid is low income govt provided health care) Obama wants to extend Medicaid to more people. To pay for this, if you do not buy your own HC, you will be taxed. If an employer does not provide it, they will be taxed. Even to part time employees. The problem with that is, HC is already so $$$$ companies want to cut employees because of this, or decrease pay. Everyone in my family owns a busniess. HC is redicioiuls expense.

The other problem with Obamacare is Medicaid itself. It is loaded with fraud and govt waste. There are estimates that over 60% of it is wasted. The other issue is that healthcare providers hate medicaid. If a service costs $100, insurance typicaly will reimburse 75%. Medicaid is below 50% and only covers a minimal amount of procedures. The provider must foot teh rest of the bill. The reimbursement takes months to receive and is huge buttload of paperwork. So ask a MD what they think of Obamacare next time you're sick. Not to mention the amount of fat sick and lazy ppl that make up teh US that already eat at the system.

Now lets say you're an MD. You spent over 100k in student loans to have a good job, and over 10 yrs in school and residency. Obama wants to incrase tax on that individual to spread teh wealth, then if they own their own practice, they must provide HC, another hit, on top of that, small businesses will pay another increase in taxes. These fees and taxes start to add up to someone who took a risk, invested in themselves and wanted a better life.
- sammy87

business owners should have nothing to do with providing health insurance to their employees. nothing.

in regards to medicaid fraud/waste. not gonna argue with that, and neither is the obama administration. recovery of fraudulent medicare/medicaid funds is at its highest point. they know this already and they're working to fix it.

get ready for it, you're not gonna like it.

it's a government benefit. gasp!
- hnic

good for canada to be able to financially afford that... USA can't do that, and to tell you the truth i can still see it becoming a an employment discrimination. Because if i hire you and you work here for lets say 3 years, get fully trained to do your job then go on maturnity leave for a year, i can't just manage without you for 3 months or less. I have to hire and train a new employee while you are gone, then you come back and boom i have two employees..

business owners should have nothing to do with providing health insurance to their employees. nothing.

in regards to medicaid fraud/waste. not gonna argue with that, and neither is the obama administration. recovery of fraudulent medicare/medicaid funds is at its highest point. they know this already and they're working to fix it.
- hnic

that is the difference in cultures.. while i agree with you, it still shows the difference in cultures

lol dont forget your Hood at the rally!
- Habitants98

Why? Am I one of the PQ?

good for canada to be able to financially afford that... USA can't do that, and to tell you the truth i can still see it becoming a an employment discrimination. Because if i hire you and you work here for lets say 3 years, get fully trained to do your job then go on maturnity leave for a year, i can't just manage without you for 3 months or less. I have to hire and train a new employee while you are gone, then you come back and boom i have two employees..
- SabresFaninIndiana

Seriously, if you're an HR manager and you have 2 grads to interview. Male or female who you gonna hire?

I can think of a European country that has all kinds of benefits the govt provides. Greece. Last time I chacked they were approaching 30% unemployment and pretty much on strike. Spain and Italy aren't too far away. But I bet all the Germans love supporting everyone.

Seriously, if you're an HR manager and you have 2 grads to interview. Male or female who you gonna hire?

I can think of a European country that has all kinds of benefits the govt provides. Greece. Last time I chacked they were approaching 30% unemployment and pretty much on strike. Spain and Italy aren't too far away. But I bet all the Germans love supporting everyone.
- sammy87

uh huh, and the united states is doing oh so much better. sorry, that was probly a low blow.

as an HR manager, if the worst of your problems is having to wonder which person to hire, then i think you're doing just fine. it's actually not that big of a problem.

that is the difference in cultures.. while i agree with you, it still shows the difference in cultures
- SabresFaninIndiana

If there was a streamlined Govt hc option that was responsible I think it would be great. So long as teh providers get paid what they're worth, and it quick and efficient. But Medicaid and medicare are neither.

Seriously, if you're an HR manager and you have 2 grads to interview. Male or female who you gonna hire?

I can think of a European country that has all kinds of benefits the govt provides. Greece. Last time I chacked they were approaching 30% unemployment and pretty much on strike. Spain and Italy aren't too far away. But I bet all the Germans love supporting everyone.
- sammy87

the most qualified.... i am a manager and i do hire women when they are the most qualified.

the most qualified.... i am a manager and i do hire women when they are the most qualified.
- SabresFaninIndiana

Yeah but you're not giving them mat leave for a yr then replacing them with a temp. That was the issue.

Yeah but you're not giving them mat leave for a yr then replacing them with a temp. That was the issue.
- sammy87

- SabresFaninIndiana

here's a real life scenario from a corporation i worked for in canada.

girl gets hired, actually hides her pregnancy during her 3 month probationary period, then passes her probation period and is considered full-time employee. then she dropped the pregnancy bomb a couple weeks later. company screwed right?

not really.

let the girl go on mat leave, hire a temp for a fraction of her salary, then fire the temp when the girl comes back a year later. (keep in mind, some women come back and some don't).

problem solved. or some companies hire part-timers who genuinely only want to be part-timers. it's not a big deal, really.

here's a real life scenario from a corporation i worked for in canada.

girl gets hired, actually hides her pregnancy during her 3 month probationary period, then passes her probation period and is considered full-time employee. then she dropped the pregnancy bomb a couple weeks later. company screwed right?

not really.

let the girl go on mat leave, hire a temp for a fraction of her salary, then fire the temp when the girl comes back a year later. (keep in mind, some women come back and some don't).

problem solved. or some companies hire part-timers who genuinely only want to be part-timers. it's not a big deal, really.
- hnic

with all the i am offended by everything and am willing to sue over everything people in the USA i could see it being a problem here.. just sayin

I believe the inhertent racism is part what got him elected.. that and McCain was not fighting the battle that was on the minds of America at the time.

you are talking in circles on the chicago thing... i have no clue nor do i care about him being involved with voter fraud, i was repeating what has been mentioned by the tabloids as a joke.

I don't follow your falsehood part of the comment i was asking what was false about me stating that the debt went up during his presidency and you talk about tabloids. how is the debt increasing a tabloid thing it is fact..
- SabresFaninIndiana

I never commented on debt, nor were any of my questions referencing them. It was your choice to change topics to meet my comment; I never asked to argue the debt crisis.

Elaborate on “inherent racism is part what got him elected”, because that sounds awfully insensitive.

and don't get me started on maternity leave.

in canada, my wife would have been given a full year of mat leave to bond with our child. and she would have been collecting approx 65% of her salary during that year on mat leave.

here in the usa, she got 3 months and had to buy disability 'insurance.' lol
- hnic

Wow, that's sad.

I never commented on debt, nor were any of my questions referencing them. It was your choice to change topics to meet my comment; I never asked to argue the debt crisis.

Elaborate on “inherent racism is part what got him elected”, because that sounds awfully insensitive.
- A_Tree

Bill Clinton - Finishes office with the Largest surplus ever

GW Bush - Finishes with the largest deficit ever to date.

Obama - 4 years to fix that poop. But instead just added to it and didn't fix poop

That sounds fair.
- Buffalo--Sabres

fixed for truth
- IndianaSabresfan

this was the quote that you put the sheep picture on.. clearly about the debt

as for the racism thing.. i am not going to get much into detail but i remember too many people saying they were going to vote for Obama becuase "it is time we have a black man in the White House" you can't tell me that is a clouded view on things. you vote for him becuase you believe he is the most qualified not because of the color of his skin. To me that is a step backwards when it comes to equality