it's basically whatever the owners tell you it is on any given day
- jimbro83

Oh, and here I thought it was a financial figure which must be defined by the CBA.

I wonder if the Fehr brothers are going to wear Parise and Suter jerseys in the meeting today, that would be funny.

you guys have become experts on memorizing the owners rhetoric. I applaud you.
- jimbro83

"I can't watch and enjoy another game knowing the the players are receiving 57% of HRR!"

The owners are BUSINESS OWNERS, the players are EMPLOYEES.

Both sides are greedy, but the OWNERS are ENTITLED to more. The more the owners receive, the healthier the league will be all around. From helping struggling franchise's, to marketing the league/game, etc etc etc.

The OWNERS absorb ALL COSTS, while the PLAYERS receive GUARANTEED CONTRACTS without form of accountability.

The league can survive WITHOUT THE CURRENT PLAYERS, but cannot survive WITHOUT THE BILLIONS THAT THE OWNERS INJECT INTO THIS LEAGUE.

The longer this carries on, the greater the chance of contraction. This hurts the players more than the owners. While the players LOSE JOBS, less revenue sharing dollars are flying out if the pockets of owners.

This is a fight the PLAYERS CAN'T WIN. Billions outlast millions. The sooner the players recognize this, THE SOONER WE'LL HAVE HOCKEY!!!

"I can't watch and enjoy another game knowing the the players are receiving 57% of HRR!"

The owners are BUSINESS OWNERS, the players are EMPLOYEES.

Both sides are greedy, but the OWNERS are ENTITLED to more. The more the owners receive, the healthier the league will be all around. From helping struggling franchise's, to marketing the league/game, etc etc etc.

The OWNERS absorb ALL COSTS, while the PLAYERS receive GUARANTEED CONTRACTS without form of accountability.

The league can survive WITHOUT THE CURRENT PLAYERS, but cannot survive WITHOUT THE BILLIONS THAT THE OWNERS INJECT INTO THIS LEAGUE.

The longer this carries on, the greater the chance of contraction. This hurts the players more than the owners. While the players LOSE JOBS, less revenue sharing dollars are flying out if the pockets of owners.

This is a fight the PLAYERS CAN'T WIN. Billions outlast millions. The sooner the players recognize this, THE SOONER WE'LL HAVE HOCKEY!!!
- As_I_See_It

when you capitalize, that means you are yelling, right?

well, McDonagh is an American and we believe in Capitalism.
- jimbro83

... and it was beautiful! that you got him for Gomez.

Sather must pee a little when he thinks back on that deal.

... and it was beautiful! that you got him for Gomez.

Sather must pee a little when he thinks back on that deal.
- Aetherial

I just peed now thinking of the deal

I wonder if the Fehr brothers are going to wear Parise and Suter jerseys in the meeting today, that would be funny.
- jimbro83

I wonder if the League will send a memo to the players not playing overseas advising them of how much money they are losing after the next block of games is cut.

Then... they can follow it up with a "By the way, you won't ever get this money back".

I just peed now thinking of the deal
- jimbro83

I peed thinking that you peed.

when you capitalize, that means you are yelling, right?
- jimbro83

I prefer to think of it as "emphasis"

I don't know if that's what I am saying, I am saying things are fine the way they are. I have never once said get rid of the cap.
- jimbro83

Yeah, I'm sure you have no problem with owner's losing millions. They do though?

Yeah, I'm sure you have no problem with owner's losing millions. They do though?
- prock

they definitely are saying they are losing money, since about August, after spending money this past July like never before.

Actually they spent money like never before up until midnight September 14th, but that's neither here nor there

they definitely are saying they are losing money, since about August, after spending money this past July like never before.

Actually they spent money like never before up until midnight September 14th, but that's neither here nor there
- jimbro83

Thing is, if they don’t, they end up with a team that can’t compete (since everyone else is doing it), attendance drops, they fold anyway.

Kind of screwed if you do, screwed if you don’t.

So EK are they really meeting today??

Thing is, if they don’t, they end up with a team that can’t compete (since everyone else is doing it), attendance drops, they fold anyway.

Kind of screwed if you do, screwed if you don’t.
- prock

Bettman should allow the owners to speak and say we need a new CBA to save ourselves from ourselves, I think it would work better than hiring this PR firm to invent some mind altering rhetoric to win over the hockey fans who don't post on hockeybuzz.

The NHL could screw up a one car funeral. They recover from the last work stoppage and actually become more popular. They get a 10 year $2 billion t.v contract with NBC and they foolishly want to risk the inroads they have made since the last strike. If contraction is the issue move some of these teams to Quebec and Hamilton where they get fan support and a better chance to be profitable. The owners want to cry poor and at the same time hand out huge contracts to Parise and Suter. I guess the owners don't understand that they are not the NFL or NBA and have a work stoppage and then come back and pick up right where they left off. Other than the die hard hockey fans there is really no out cry about the lock out. There was far more concern with the NFL refs on strike than what we see with the NHL lock out.

"I can't watch and enjoy another game knowing the the players are receiving 57% of HRR!"

The owners are BUSINESS OWNERS, the players are EMPLOYEES.

Both sides are greedy, but the OWNERS are ENTITLED to more. The more the owners receive, the healthier the league will be all around. From helping struggling franchise's, to marketing the league/game, etc etc etc.

The OWNERS absorb ALL COSTS, while the PLAYERS receive GUARANTEED CONTRACTS without form of accountability.

The league can survive WITHOUT THE CURRENT PLAYERS, but cannot survive WITHOUT THE BILLIONS THAT THE OWNERS INJECT INTO THIS LEAGUE.

The longer this carries on, the greater the chance of contraction. This hurts the players more than the owners. While the players LOSE JOBS, less revenue sharing dollars are flying out if the pockets of owners.

This is a fight the PLAYERS CAN'T WIN. Billions outlast millions. The sooner the players recognize this, THE SOONER WE'LL HAVE HOCKEY!!!
- As_I_See_It

Hahaha its not 2004 anymore and the NHL isnt the only hockey league handing out millions. without the players the owners have no product. Also i dont get what the fuss is over 57%. 57% is the potential maximum that teams can spend to and is only attainable if every team spends to the cap, which they dont! Untill every team spends to the cap and we finally figure out whats in HRR, im with the players on this. Also if the players give in too much now than there room for negotiating for the next CBA.

So are you an actual player, or a relative of one, or are you Glenn Healy.


- Aetherial

Have you heard Healy lately?

He's not nearly the embarrassing NHLPA windbag he was last lockout.

I think he's still very, very bitter about his 1-year stint working for the NHLPA.

Bettman should allow the owners to speak and say we need a new CBA to save ourselves from ourselves, I think it would work better than hiring this PR firm to invent some mind altering rhetoric to win over the hockey fans who don't post on hockeybuzz.
- jimbro83

Oh, what rhetoric have they come up with? Is it in any way as bad as the crap the PA has been floating out there? Seriously, you’re totally out to lunch if you don’t think the players have been floating out more PR garbage than the league this time around. They’ve been spewing propaganda ad nauseum.

And you talk about the rest of us buying into propaganda/PR? Both sides have been putting it out.

Oh, what rhetoric have they come up with? Is it in any way as bad as the crap the PA has been floating out there? Seriously, you’re totally out to lunch if you don’t think the players have been floating out more PR garbage than the league this time around. They’ve been spewing propaganda ad nauseum.

And you talk about the rest of us buying into propaganda/PR? Both sides have been putting it out.
- prock

the players are allowed to speak freely, they aren't ruled by an evil little bastard

the players are allowed to speak freely, they aren't ruled by an evil little bastard
- jimbro83

This is, hands down, by far, the biggest piece of BS/propaganda/PR crap that either side has put out. You think Sidney Crosby was just out playing shinny with Landeskog, and says “let’s just candidly speak our emotions and make a nice feelgood video. Let’s do it for the fans!!! I bet they’ll like it.” Since Reimer was in the rink getting his skates sharpened, he of course jumped in on a good old game of shinny too, and spills his heart on camera too!!!!



You bought into every bit of that, hook, line, and sinker. You are so completely naïve it’s ridiculous.

This is, hands down, by far, the biggest piece of BS/propaganda/PR crap that either side has put out. You think Sidney Crosby was just out playing shinny with Landeskog, and says “let’s just candidly speak our emotions and make a nice feelgood video. Let’s do it for the fans!!! I bet they’ll like it.” Since Reimer was in the rink getting his skates sharpened, he of course jumped in on a good old game of shinny too, and spills his heart on camera too!!!!



You bought into every bit of that, hook, line, and sinker. You are so completely naïve it’s ridiculous.
- prock

hey, question, kind of off topic, but how does contracts no longer than 5 years save the poor teams anyway?

hey, question, kind of off topic, but how does contracts no longer than 5 years save the poor teams anyway?
- jimbro83

It prevents the teams like say Philly, from offer sheeting some teams best player a contract filled with huge signing bonuses, whose cap hit gets lowered by a 10 plus year contract.

It prevents the teams like say Philly, from offer sheeting some teams best player a contract filled with huge signing bonuses, whose cap hit gets lowered by a 10 plus year contract.
- HuileHab

oh, contracts like the small market Wild gave out, I gotcha.

it's so funny that Flyers owner Ed Snider is a hawk yet the contract he himself authorized goes against every single principle the league says it can't live with anymore. Gotta be hard for him to look himself in the mirror.

hey, question, kind of off topic, but how does contracts no longer than 5 years save the poor teams anyway?
- jimbro83

First, you’re making the assumption that every part of what they’re doing is designed to solve economics, which isn’t the case. Some of what they’re doing is designed to stop GMs from circumventing the cap. i.e. improving the rules they put in place, so GMs don’t just dance around them.

Second, let’s walk through this. Let’s take, for example, Luongo. He’s getting paid close to $40M over the first five years of his contract. They’re dropping the cap hit to just over $5M by putting years on the end of the contract that he’ll likely never play. If Luongo carries a cap hit of $8M, like he would if he didn’t have these fake years tacked on to lower his hit, do you think Vancouver still gives him that contract? If they have to start making choices because they can’t fit them all under the cap while paying Luongo $8M, what starts happening? It means Luongo actually gets a salary closer to his cap hit, that’s what. Teams don’t just circumvent the cap with BS years on a contract. Allowing teams to get around the cap allows them to offer outrageous contracts. Which pushes the average salary up, which means it costs more to sign players, etc, etc.