The problem is that there is too much to do in Toronto that fans cant support it every team in every sport at every level.

Toronto is as close to the center of the hockey universe as you can get. Whether or not the minor league teams can be supported.
- systemtool

Oh, now I get it. There's just too many awesome things going on. No wonder nobody shows up to Blue Jays or TFC games... Or even Bills games when they come to town.
Toronto only ever sells out Leaf games and maybe the odd Raptors game if a big name team is in town playing them. Other cities can draw larger crowds to their junior games than the "centre of the hockey universe" can draw at their AHL games. Kind of pathetic for the centre of the hockey universe, no?

The Bills are not a Toronto team. The Jays suck and dont spend. Why should fans pay to watch them? Or any team in Toronto for that matter. Toronto sports fans have too many options, and theyre not that great to begin with. It has nothing to do with being a snob or not.
- systemtool

I was commenting to the guy who said Toronto is a "major league sports town." and they don't support anything unless it's major league.
Yet they don't even support their major league teams.

Huh?
The Jays attendance also has to do with Rogers Centre being such a crappy venue. And the Jays suck...
Just funny how people think Toronto is the centre of the hockey universe yet they can't even support an AHL team.
- woopstash

Must be why the MLB and the NBA have done so well in Vancouver.

Oh, now I get it. There's just too many awesome things going on. No wonder nobody shows up to Blue Jays or TFC games... Or even Bills games when they come to town.
Toronto only ever sells out Leaf games and maybe the odd Raptors game if a big name team is in town playing them. Other cities can draw larger crowds to their junior games than the "centre of the hockey universe" can draw at their AHL games. Kind of pathetic for the centre of the hockey universe, no?
- woopstash

You really dont get it. All the options suck and are not worth paying to attend. The Leafs being the lone exception.

Other cities, which other cities? The ones that have only a fraction of the options Toronto does? Which other cities are we talking about here. Please, entertain me.

Must be why the MLB and the NBA have done so well in Vancouver.
- Two_For_Truth

Vancouver doesn't have an MLB or NBA team...?

I was commenting to the guy who said Toronto is a "major league sports town." and they don't support anything unless it's major league.
Yet they don't even support their major league teams.
- woopstash

If they couldn't support the teams, they wouldn't have them.

Like the Grizzlies.

I was commenting to the guy who said Toronto is a "major league sports town." and they don't support anything unless it's major league.
Yet they don't even support their major league teams.
- woopstash

Because they suck and are not worth spending money to see. It has nothing to do with whether or not there are fans willing to support a worthy product.

Thats like saying someone isn't a movie buff just because they refused to spend money to watch Stuart Saves His Family.

You really dont get it. All the options suck and are not worth paying to attend. The Leafs being the lone exception.

Other cities, which other cities? The ones that have only a fraction of the options Toronto does? Which other cities are we talking about here. Please, entertain me.
- systemtool

I'm just saying, if it's the hockey centre of the universe than why do other cities draw more to their junior hockey teams than Toronto does to an AHL game? It's one step below the NHL. You'd figure the centre of the hockey universe would likely sell out or at least come close to selling out their AHL team. Like other have said, what we can conclude is that Toronto is a Leafs town, not a hockey town.

If they couldn't support the teams, they wouldn't have them.

Like the Grizzlies.
- Two_For_Truth

Or the Thrashers, the Expos, the Super Sonics etc.
You're a smart one.

I'm just saying, if it's the hockey centre of the universe than why do other cities draw more to their junior hockey teams than Toronto does to an AHL game? It's one step below the NHL. You'd figure the centre of the hockey universe would likely sell out or at least come close to selling out their AHL team. Like other have said, what we can conclude is that Toronto is a Leafs town, not a hockey town.
- woopstash

Again, what other cities?

So Toronto isnt the center of the hockey universe because it has a massive fan base following the Leafs and not as many following their development team. Are you just pretending to be an idiot? Is this part of the whole troll job package? Because I do believe we ordered the basic troll package, and were not paying for anything more.

Because they suck and are not worth spending money to see. It has nothing to do with whether or not there are fans willing to support a worthy product.

Thats like saying someone isn't a movie buff just because they refused to spend money to watch Stuart Saves His Family.
- systemtool

Hey, you don't have to convince me that Toronto teams suck. I've been saying that for a while.
Like I said, it's a Leafs city. Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, what other cities?
- systemtool

I posted a list on the first page of the top 20 CHL attendance teams. Some big cities on there and some very small cities. Someone said the average attendance for Marlies games is only around 4 or 5,000? If all those 20 teams can better support a junior team, why can't the hockey centre of the universe support an AHL team?

Hey, you don't have to convince me that Toronto teams suck. I've been saying that for a while.
Like I said, it's a Leafs city. Nothing more, nothing less.
- woopstash

Its a sports city that only rewards one of their teams for failure.

Its a sports city that only rewards one of their teams for failure.
- systemtool

It's a fickle fan base. Fair weather fans.

I posted a list on the first page of the top 20 CHL attendance teams. Some big cities on there and some very small cities. Someone said the average attendance for Marlies games is only around 4 or 5,000? If all those 20 teams can better support a junior team, why can't the hockey centre of the universe support an AHL team?
- woopstash

How many of those cities have teams in every pro sports league but the NFL. None except Toronto.

Besides, why are we using the CHL and the CHL alone to judge what is deemed a hockey city? The NHL does have only a fraction of the following as the CHL, but we shouldnt ignore them.

It's a fickle fan base. Fair weather fans.
- woopstash

They should riot.

How many of those cities have teams in every pro sports league but the NFL. None except Toronto.

Besides, why are we using the CHL and the CHL alone to judge what is deemed a hockey city? The NHL does have only a fraction of the following as the CHL, but we shouldnt ignore them.
- systemtool

I'm using the AHL and CHL, you know the other 2 big hockey leagues that exist in Canada? And Toronto area attendance in both is awful.

They should riot.
- systemtool

Would be great for TV. They're used to burning cop cars in Toronto, I say go for it.

I'm using the AHL and CHL, you know the other 2 big hockey leagues that exist in Canada? And Toronto area attendance in both is awful.
- woopstash

Thats nice.

But the NHL, which trumps both of those leagues, has an excellent attendance, a large fan base, is the most valuable franchise of any hockey team in the world, with a season ticket waiting list that spans decades...that just makes your whole arguement silly.

Leafs fans=poser?
- Symba007

who said there were fans at the games?

Would be great for TV. They're used to burning cop cars in Toronto, I say go for it.
- woopstash

Must be from Vancouver. Ready to riot at any moment.

Thats nice.

But the NHL, which trumps both of those leagues, has an excellent attendance, a large fan base, is the most valuable franchise of any hockey team in the world, with a season ticket waiting list that spans decades...the just makes your whole arguement silly.
- systemtool

Great, so it's very similar to several other hockey markets. That's nice.
Except that they can't support an AHL team or junior team along with with the Leafs like other hockey markets can. Hmmmm...

Must be from Vancouver. Ready to riot at any moment.
- systemtool

Halifax actually. Toronto buy some new cop cars to replace the ones they burned in the riot?

Great, so it's very similar to several other hockey markets. That's nice.
Except that they can't support an AHL team or junior team along with with the Leafs like other hockey markets can. Hmmmm...
- woopstash

No, having the most valuable hockey team in the world is not very similar to several other hockey markets. Thats nice.

Expect that just makes every other arguement look childish in comparison. Except that those other markets are not sports cities.

Halifax actually. Toronto buy some new cop cars to replace the ones they burned in the riot?
- woopstash

There never was a hockey riot, and the people who werent from Toronto that rioted were arrested. Lol Halifax. That explains it all. Sorry man, I really didnt know. Ill stop the debate right there.