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philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 3 @ 8:27 AM ET
Mark McNeill with a Gordie Howe hat trick....looks like the next Troy Murray

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/111967
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Oct 3 @ 8:57 AM ET
Danault playing pretty good in the QMJHL...1 goal and 2 assists last night,and he tore it up at the dot 20-28!!
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Oct 3 @ 9:50 AM ET
You are correct...20 goals back then meant you were a player..

In those days personal grudges were taken care of by shipping players off.

My father would tell me later on how Chgo was thought as the Siberia of the NHL....Farthest away from Canada and many times players sent via trade were here to be punished...Glenn Hall and Ted Lindsay are two prime examples.

Other times players were sent to the minors and the owners all would hold hands and never attempt to call them up ever again.

The Hawks were a bad team until Ivan did his best work ever and acquired the entire St. Catherines Jr. team....It was flush with All Stars and HOF players but....
Actually Hawks had the pipeline going from there from the mid 50's...before they owned it.

Espo, Stanfield and Hodge came after in the early 60's.

Espo was brought through the Hawks sysytem but he was a cocky kid who spoke his mind and even more so when he was drinking.

He embarassd Ivan and Reay at team get together and was soon sent packing.

I wonder how different NHL history would have been if those three stayed in Chgo...



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- Al


Any truth to the part about Hull putting Esposito to it?
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Oct 3 @ 9:54 AM ET
Mark McNeill with a Gordie Howe hat trick....looks like the next Troy Murray

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/111967

- philco28


How can you not like a Gordie Howe hat trick.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Oct 3 @ 11:19 AM ET
Yeah, when he was in the press box, he would come down and talk to the older guys whom my father trusted me to to go to the games. (My father never went to a game, he was too busy fixing wreck cars at night to turn over,after pumping gas all day.)

One time Murray had this very loud sweater on and said he paid $30 in Canada for it, and Frankie Schiola (one of guys) said he bought the same sweater at K-mart for $3 dollars. (i learned the game as a kid from Frank, his brother Rocco, Don Damagoni, and the Swede...they were going to the games since the 40's...they were never quiet in their seats and they pointed stuff out thought we where and what to look at)

On to Phil: The version I heard from a certain person whose tonque loosened after several wines, was that Phil Bobby and Chico and others were inone of their hotel rooms, and Reay did a bed check hearing several loud voices partying started hammering knocks on the door to open it and Phil told him to go (frank) himself and they never opened the door.
Reay went to GM Ivan and said he wanted Phil gone, none of the others...
The thing ws WITH EXPANSION TO 12 teams from 6 the team thought that they would be exposing their surplus at forward w/o a return, and that Denis Dejordy who they thought would be the heir apparant to Glenn Hall actually was great minor league goalie, but sucked as in the 6 team league....so....knowing that Boston had a surplus of goalies (Favell Parent and Jack Norris...I don't think Cheevers was on the table as he and Eddie Johnston were their tandem...because Johnston was older and never a horse type and needed resting... ), the HAWKS expanded Espo to C Stanfield & RW Hodge to get d-man Gilles Marotte (who was like 22 and short but solid skater/hitter and expendable because Orr was coming or had already arrived the year before) AND the 5 ' 8" Pit Martin who was really quick and shifty compared to Phil who wasn't.

Clearly GM IVAN and his scouts were unable to get the best of the three tenders and the other two became attractive selections in the expansion draft...

And even though some of you would think I am talking out of my assm the players lost theri respect for Reay and never felt he was a good coach and actually blamed him for playoff loses because he shook up conventional lines with ones that didn't click...the players may not admit this a convention now out of respect for the past Reay, but they loved Rudy b/c the "St Cath's kids" got preferental treatment as long time players with Rudy...

- wiz1901



I never had heard Cheevers was on the table either until Hawk historian Harvey Wittenberg relayed that version.

Either way it wouldn't have been a good deal for the Hawks.

Billy Reay is one of the most overrarted coaches of all time....And from what I heard the players felt the same.

Pilous was the guy but he was strict and knew them from when they were young kids....Supposedly that was a reason they fired him....Another Ivan mistake....That group likd to have a really good time, more discipline wasn't a bad thing.

Look at the team Reay had, and to come away with 0 cups...Even after Espo was gone....Not good.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Oct 3 @ 11:21 AM ET
Any truth to the part about Hull putting Esposito to it?
- Beaver-Warrior



Espo wrote the story in his book Thunder and Lightning...

He didn't blame Hull, actually Bobby pulled him away from Reay and Ivan...But Bobby was tipping more than a few that night too.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Oct 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
Unfortunately Moose was an alcoholic before he was passed his prime.
Yeah he game Pilote room to roam, and literally would rock and shake and rattle board like Bobby Baun when he coaught you with a solid hip and body check and there was no board call for that. Boarding was when you violently did it and it seemed out of the actual course of attempting to play defense...
IF the presnet rules couls in some way try and distingushes teh cheapies from actually defense, and the refs were given that same type of leeway, the game would be policed better, imo.

- wiz1901



I knew him well...And if you would consider him an alcholic you could package many from that group with the same label

He did drink and liked his beer a lot ....put on a lot of weight as the years went on...

I wrote a story about him and it was posted in the Huffington Post...Really nice guy and the reason for the story was he knew when to hold back.

Moose was the biggest guy on the ice probably from when he was a teenager...He had a fear of hurting someone imo.

But he did throw some great checks in his day.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Oct 3 @ 11:40 AM ET
Some of you have read this...

But here is the link:http://www.huffingtonpost...-really-und_b_371415.html

I was on the concussion issue for quite awhile. This is from Dec. 2009 and ties in a story about Moose Vako when I was a young kid.

Maybe some of you will enjoy it...

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