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John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Oct 2 @ 11:44 AM ET
Haha, Havlat. He's reminiscent of a goofy uncle/relative from the old country.
- fattybeef


See above. He'll be in the extra skater poll.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Oct 2 @ 12:16 PM ET
Agreed, but it appears the Hawks get Orr too if you guys vote him on the team.

This is how crazy this is, assume Pilote, Keith, Chelios and Wilson are on the team (they likely will be). That's 4 Norris winners, and then if you add Orr (the best defenseman of all time) . . .

- John Jaeckel


Don't forget about Whitey Stapleton and Bill White !!!!
AceRatbang
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 07.20.2012

Oct 2 @ 12:28 PM ET
Gut reaction again...

1- Larmer
2- Kane
3- Hossa
4- Amonte

Giving Kane the tiny advantage over Hossa for 2 reasons:

-He's played more with the Hawks and only with the Hawks
-Better playoff performer.

But you could obviously make the point Hossa should be higher.

CHI-HAWKS7
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.27.2011

Oct 2 @ 12:31 PM ET
Agreed, but it appears the Hawks get Orr too if you guys vote him on the team.

This is how crazy this is, assume Pilote, Keith, Chelios and Wilson are on the team (they likely will be). That's 4 Norris winners, and then if you add Orr (the best defenseman of all time) . . .

- John Jaeckel



How is Orr an option on D, but Phil Esposito not an option for C? At least be consistent...


EDIT: Howie Morenz is another C that would be a lock to make the team under the "Orr rules"
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Oct 2 @ 12:53 PM ET
Don't forget about Whitey Stapleton and Bill White !!!!
- Beaver-Warrior


They are in the D poll
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Oct 2 @ 12:53 PM ET
How is Orr an option on D, but Phil Esposito not an option for C? At least be consistent...


EDIT: Howie Morenz is another C that would be a lock to make the team under the "Orr rules"

- CHI-HAWKS7



Fair question
dan9189
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago, IL
Joined: 06.29.2009

Oct 2 @ 12:54 PM ET
I know this is off topic but it seems like no progress has been made in the CBA talks and the NHL will start to cancel games in the next 24 hours. I'm truly sickened by this. Starting to think there may not be a season, this is much worse than I originally thought.
Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Oct 2 @ 1:00 PM ET
How is Orr an option on D, but Phil Esposito not an option for C? At least be consistent...


EDIT: Howie Morenz is another C that would be a lock to make the team under the "Orr rules"

- CHI-HAWKS7



Can we take Paul Coffey and Brian Leetch then?
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Oct 2 @ 1:05 PM ET
They are in the D poll
- John Jaeckel


Good deal. Mention them due to the chatter about dmen..
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Oct 2 @ 1:47 PM ET
1. Larmer - no brainer
2. Amonte
3. Hossa
4. Kane - should he have been considered a centre?

Amonte left on bad terms, but so did many players during that era. The only reason I picked Amonte over Hossa was because Hossa has played less time here (so far). Overall Hossa is the better player, but I don't think he's been the better Blackhawk.
CHI-HAWKS7
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.27.2011

Oct 2 @ 2:04 PM ET
Can we take Paul Coffey and Brian Leetch then?
- Double_A


Ha...Hawks get Coffey too!
prd797
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Scotland
Joined: 06.17.2012

Oct 2 @ 2:20 PM ET
Ha...Hawks get Coffey too!
- CHI-HAWKS7


Would that imply that we'd get the chance to vote for Wendel Clark and Peter Bondra as well?
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Oct 2 @ 2:27 PM ET
Would that imply that we'd get the chance to vote for Wendel Clark and Peter Bondra as well?
- prd797



See, these are guys I would leave out, but then it begs the fair question, why include Orr (other than the fact he's my favorite player of all time)?
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Oct 2 @ 2:30 PM ET
See, these are guys I would leave out, but then it begs the fair question, why include Orr (other than the fact he's my favorite player of all time)?
- John Jaeckel


Seems to me it should be players who would be in the top four based on what they did in Chicago - leaves Orr out.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Oct 2 @ 2:33 PM ET
Seems to me it should be players who would be in the top four based on what they did in Chicago - leaves Orr out.
- StLBravesFan


I am starting to be persuaded. And I doubt he would get voted in (it's for the top 6, BTW) anyway
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Oct 2 @ 2:54 PM ET
An amazingly good team - but:

Montreal, Toronto, Detroit - they can put together some great teams, too. Better than the Hawks? Possibly / probably....

- StLBravesFan


For sure but...

I think many fail to realize how good the Cup team of the 60's was...

In the mid 60's the Hawks had Mikita, Hull, Wharram, Pilote and Hall on the starting All Star team. ...Plus Vasko made the 2nd team squad.

5 out of 6 starters to play against the Cup winners was very impressive.

6 team league or not I don't know if that ever happened before or after again.

On Twitter@AlCimaglia
prd797
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Scotland
Joined: 06.17.2012

Oct 2 @ 3:11 PM ET
See, these are guys I would leave out, but then it begs the fair question, why include Orr (other than the fact he's my favorite player of all time)?
- John Jaeckel


This would be perfect for your inner child JJ:

http://www.clarktoys.com/donch2nhlles.html

aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Oct 2 @ 3:19 PM ET
So many good choices for a great organization. Love Amonte........when he was with you guys
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Oct 2 @ 3:33 PM ET
This would be perfect for your inner child JJ:

http://www.clarktoys.com/donch2nhlles.html


- prd797



I actually owned this figure, but when I moved it somehow got lost.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Oct 2 @ 4:12 PM ET
KHL games on ESPN?

http://www.theglobeandmai...-with-khl/article4582185/
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Oct 2 @ 4:22 PM ET
1. Larmer - no brainer
2. Amonte
3. Hossa
4. Kane - should he have been considered a centre?

Amonte left on bad terms, but so did many players during that era. The only reason I picked Amonte over Hossa was because Hossa has played less time here (so far). Overall Hossa is the better player, but I don't think he's been the better Blackhawk.

- DarthKane



I had it on good authority Amonte was dispatched quickly after Wirtz heard his agent ask for $6 mill per...

Can't blame Wirtz....Amonte was on the 17th tee box at that time and was never much after leaving.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Oct 2 @ 4:27 PM ET
This would be perfect for your inner child JJ:

http://www.clarktoys.com/donch2nhlles.html


- prd797


That's pretty cool
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Oct 2 @ 4:56 PM ET
I had it on good authority Amonte was dispatched quickly after Wirtz heard his agent ask for $6 mill per...

Can't blame Wirtz....Amonte was on the 17th tee box at that time and was never much after leaving.

- Al



If that was the case (and I have no reason to believe it wasn't) I would have let Amonte walk too.

But it doesn't take away from all the good things he did with the Hawks; 40+ goals 3 times, 30+ goals 6 times, approx 0.86 PPG, played 5 consecutive years without missing a game (would have been 6 but he missed a game in 1995-1996). These are impressive offensive numbers, especially considering the fact that during his tenure here Amonte didn't have a lot of talent to play with.
ChicagoHope
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lyndon, IL
Joined: 08.13.2007

Oct 2 @ 5:16 PM ET
Larmer - Durable sniper that had great chemistry with Savard. He had a fantastic shot, as his one-timer off the wing was flat out lethal. He and Toews are the two smartest players to ever play for the Hawks in my opinion.

Amonte - Only Hawk threat on some bad, bad teams. Scored 40 goals on I believe three different occasions. Always played hard in the dark years of this organization.

Hossa - Still a terrific two way winger, but I think injuries have started to catch up with Big Hoss. The man looks flat out ripped in his uniform. If he was ever going to win the Stanley Cup, glad he got it here.

Kane - Never question the ability level as it is second to none. Heart and dedication at times make me upset, but along with Toews helped make this organization relevant once again after an awful decade of futility.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Oct 2 @ 6:01 PM ET
Larmer because of how long he was here...and how the refused to ever pay him his worth.

Hossa is unquestionably the most skilled RW they have had in the modern era...

Dirk Graham gets mentioned for what he brought every night.

Kenny Wharran was the best blue line pass receiver..if he played the way they are "given" the blue line THEN, he would have been a much bigger scorer.

Murray Balfour (obtained for cash from Montreal) was a smaller frenchmen who played big and made space for the big guy on the Million Dollar babies, Bobby Hull.

Eric Nesterenko, who they got for cash from the Toronto system was an extremely underated cerebral player, who actually scored some big goals in Blackhawk history besides being so good defensively against Gordie.

Kane has got to figure in there based on the big goals in Blackhawk history he already has scored, and the ability level.

Roenick played wing a lot his first year...

just nobody say Chico Maki, ok, because then you fall in the category of Chet Koppick and the radio hockey expert Dan McNeal, who seemed to mention Maki's name more than they every had a clue about anything...

Daze was a wussy plain& simple...but he was nice to his wife (who sat near us) and bought he new boobns, nose, and beauty treatments and clothes.
I used to love that Nylander Dumont Daze line...they would out finesse the poop out of the otehr team getting lots of early chances...then they started attacking, checking, and hitting them and the tails went between their legs and they disappeared during the part of the night the hawks needed goals in those horrible years...

oh, Ken Hodge wasn't bad in his early on years playing physical...I will NEVER understand that trade with Freddie Stanfield & Phil Esposito..

Amonte was a sniper, but did he REALLY ever commit defensively?
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