Gags is top 3 of his class. Some you are still judging on potential. Will McDonagh, Benn, Subban, Couture prove to be better? Maybe. But get real. Your attempts at Oiler hatred are pathetic. JVR, Voracek, Shattenkirk, Pacs, Perron, Gunnarson? Stretching things.
- Iggysbff

McDonagh, Benn, Subban and Couture are all already better than him without a doubt. So are Voracek, Pacioretty and Shattenkirk. Other are arguable. I'd say Perron is about the same level, as well as JVR if he can ever get healthy. Gunnarson doesn't belong in this discussion, he is a #4 or 5 shut-down D man at best.

McDonagh, Benn, Subban and Couture are all already better than him without a doubt. So are Voracek, Pacioretty and Shattenkirk. Other are arguable. I'd say Perron is about the same level, as well as JVR if he can ever get healthy. Gunnarson doesn't belong in this discussion, he is a #4 or 5 shut-down D man at best.
- Rseen

Huh?

Couture and Benn broke 60 points once. McDonagh and Subban not even close. Voracek, Pacs and Shattenkirk are not better than Gagner. The hockey sense of some is pathetic.

Huh?

Couture and Benn broke 60 points once. McDonagh and Subban not even close. Voracek, Pacs and Shattenkirk are not better than Gagner. The hockey sense of some is pathetic.
- Iggysbff

Lol. Breaking 60 points once is one nor than Gagner has broken 50. McDonagh was arguably top 15 or 20 dman in the league this year.

That is your big comeback . That is some weak stuff . So we signed a free agent that had a weak year . And after seeing what happened to the Free agent contracts this year Ville Leino's contract does not look bad . And points are not the only way Leino contributes . He does control the puck well. First year in a new system . Let's see how he does this year .
At least our billionaire owner is giving to the community and not looking for a handout from the taxpayers here like the one in Edmonton . Hope that arena gets built now with Mr Katz now looking for even more money from the good tax payers of Alberta . Oh I forgot that does not matter to you because you live in British Columbia. Yes we get the Canadian news here and see the crap going down now in Edmonton

Ville Leino
- Reveen

He's junk.
- prock

Judging by how highly you rate Gunnarson, I'm going to place very little weight on your opinion of Gagner.

He's not top 10 from his class.

Kane, JVR, Voracek, Couture, McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Pacioretty, Perron, Subban, Simmonds, Benn, Gunnarson......
- prock

But would any of these guys have filled the role of C besides Couture? No. Kane and Benn have been tried, but results stand to be determined.

McDonagh, Benn, Subban and Couture are all already better than him without a doubt. So are Voracek, Pacioretty and Shattenkirk. Other are arguable. I'd say Perron is about the same level, as well as JVR if he can ever get healthy. Gunnarson doesn't belong in this discussion, he is a #4 or 5 shut-down D man at best.
- Rseen

Agreed. Benn, Couture, and McDonagh are a good deal better than Gagner at this point. Subban is always quick to be criticized, but many forget that he's still young and for any defenseman to acclimate himself to the league so quickly is really quite impressive.

While I'll agree Pacioretty is better, I'd wager to bet that neither Shattenkirk nor Voracek any much better than Gagner. Both have posted strong numbers, but they often play quite sheltered minutes from what I discern. Shattenkirk improved a good deal in that regard last season under 'Hitch', and Voracek figures to do so this next year (whenever is may be) when given the opportunity at a larger role, but neither has proven to be beyond Gagner's level in my opinion.

Huh?

Couture and Benn broke 60 points once. McDonagh and Subban not even close. Voracek, Pacs and Shattenkirk are not better than Gagner. The hockey sense of some is pathetic.
- Iggysbff

Your hockey sense is clearly pathetic. I would take all those players over Gagner. Benn was a near ppg player this near he is obviously better, no disputing that. Couture is also a much better player all around than Gagner. McDonagh is a beast and showed it this year. No chance anyone would take Gagner over him or Subban, who is already very good. Pacs just had a 30+ goal season, Gagner has never had anything nearly that substantial.

Agreed. Benn, Couture, and McDonagh are a good deal better than Gagner at this point. Subban is always quick to be criticized, but many forget that he's still young and for any defenseman to acclimate himself to the league so quickly is really quite impressive.

While I'll agree Pacioretty is better, I'd wager to bet that neither Shattenkirk nor Voracek any much better than Gagner. Both have posted strong numbers, but they often play quite sheltered minutes from what I discern. Shattenkirk improved a good deal in that regard last season under 'Hitch', and Voracek figures to do so this next year (whenever is may be) when given the opportunity at a larger role, but neither has proven to be beyond Gagner's level in my opinion.
- MaximumBone

Shattenkirk and Voracek are probably on the same level as Gagner, so I'll give you that one. I'd rather have Shattenkirk over Voracek and Gagner though. But there is no way I can see any rationality in saying Gagner is better than all those other players.

Shattenkirk and Voracek are probably on the same level as Gagner, so I'll give you that one. I'd rather have Shattenkirk over Voracek and Gagner though. But there is no way I can see any rationality in saying Gagner is better than all those other players.
- Rseen

The only two things Gagner has over Couture at this point are marginally better dekes and a willingness to drop the gloves.

Admittedly, I'd take Voracek over either Gagner or Shattenkirk. When he's on, he's arguably one of the fastest and most mobile players in the league. Adding that to his already impressive arsenal of size, a killer shot, and a pair of quick hands and you've got a package that's just waiting for the opportunity to breakout. Hopefully he can do so beside Giroux and Hartnell this coming season.

i disagree.

yes the players are rich, but the owners are a lot more rich and do a lot less. without the talent, what is the circus? just a tent with empty seats, same thing here.

the owners make money off of the players, just like your boss makes money off of you. the owners don't want a 50-50 split, they want the 57/43 that the players have now to be reversed and in their favor. that is disgusting because the owners are not why we watch hockey. bosses own but workers are the labor and star attraction, they deserve their fair share collectively.
- FIREonICE

You are so wrong its not even funny. NHL players think they deserve NFL/MLB/NBA type of $ In a league that isnt near their popularity or bring in the $ they do (while getting more % of rev than any other league).

The players are greedy money hungry wieners. They don't give two poops about us the fans. Don't be blinded young one.

You are so wrong its not even funny. NHL players think they deserve NFL/MLB/NBA type of $ In a league that isnt near their popularity or bring in the $ they do (while getting more % of rev than any other league).

The players are greedy money hungry wieners. They don't give two poops about us the fans. Don't be blinded young one.
- Smittyx36

You are so wrong its not even funny. NHL players think they deserve NFL/MLB/NBA type of $ In a league that isnt near their popularity or bring in the $ they do (while getting more % of rev than any other league).

The players are greedy money hungry wieners. They don't give two poops about us the fans. Don't be blinded young one.
- Smittyx36

NHL players get i believe its 1mill less on average compared to baseball players, 2mill less than basketball players (this is somewhat skewed though) yet the NHL brings in a lot less revenue, but who cares the players deserve 100% of the revenue because they are not greedy bastards at all

remember these players have to feed their starving families, and all these 5star restaurants take a toll on their finances

Judging by how highly you rate Gunnarson, I'm going to place very little weight on your opinion of Gagner.
- laughs2907

Where did I say that?

Shattenkirk and Voracek are probably on the same level as Gagner, so I'll give you that one. I'd rather have Shattenkirk over Voracek and Gagner though. But there is no way I can see any rationality in saying Gagner is better than all those other players.
- Rseen

Shattenkirk has been in the top 20 in dmen scoring two years running now. He puts up similar numbers from d that Gagner puts up as a forward. Its not close, Shattenkirk is far better.

Where did I say that?
- prock

Page 4... You listed Gunnarson as one of the top picks taken in the draft, and you later said that Gagner is "junk".

Absolute rubbish.

Page 4... You listed Gunnarson as one of the top picks taken in the draft, and you later said that Gagner is "junk".

Absolute rubbish.
- laughs2907

I listed the players better than Gagner, not the top picks.

I listed the players better than Gagner, not the top picks.
- prock

1) Than I'll assume Gunnarsson was a typo

2) Listing every player from a draft that you think is better than Gagner is pretty much the same thing as listing the top picks from the draft. If you believe there are 12 players that were better than Gagner, and you listed those 12 players, wouldn't you consider those 12 players to be the top 12?

1) Than I'll assume Gunnarsson was a typo

2) Listing every player from a draft that you think is better than Gagner is pretty much the same thing as listing the top picks from the draft. If you believe there are 12 players that were better than Gagner, and you listed those 12 players, wouldn't you consider those 12 players to be the top 12?
- laughs2907

No typo. Gagner sucks.

Good player, there is a reason he went 12 and not higher,still a solid career second line centre in the making.

That is your big comeback . That is some weak stuff . So we signed a free agent that had a weak year . And after seeing what happened to the Free agent contracts this year Ville Leino's contract does not look bad . And points are not the only way Leino contributes . He does control the puck well. First year in a new system . Let's see how he does this year .
At least our billionaire owner is giving to the community and not looking for a handout from the taxpayers here like the one in Edmonton . Hope that arena gets built now with Mr Katz now looking for even more money from the good tax payers of Alberta . Oh I forgot that does not matter to you because you live in British Columbia. Yes we get the Canadian news here and see the crap going down now in Edmonton
- Maximum Signal

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

No typo. Gagner sucks.
- prock

Nazem Kadri is a poor man's Linus Omark

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
- Reveen

Yea that was a dumb signing when it happened and it's worse a year later...

Nazem Kadri is a poor man's Linus Omark
- Reveen

- muffin_man

No... This is racist...