Do you realize the players he played with? He's not an elite player who will make those around him stars... He is a good player though. Let him play a full season on a line with 2 of Hall/Eberle/RNH/Yakupov/Hemsky and I bet he reaches 60 points. The few games he got to play with talent last season, he was a beast.
- laughs2907

How many points do you think you'd gte on a line with RNH and Hall?

So 5 seasons without 50 points or 20 goals but I'm an idiot for thinking he won't pass 60 points "at this rate"???

The owners assume all the financial risk and provide the players with a place to showcase their talents. Do the players really think that this cost the owners nothing?
- Reveen

Yup... Plus flights, buses, hotels, food, equipment, stadium costs, accountants, HR, marketing teams, janitors, maintenance, electricians, vendors, team doctors, medical staff, coaches, managers, insurance, medical insurance, marketing costs, taxes, etc etc...

Gee I hope your entire life's accomplishments were not just written on your years as a teenager . What your telling us is that a teenager cannot change and improve on his weaknesses . Wow . You are psychic can see the future too . ! Impressive.

If you read the redline report I posted they saw the same weakness in Grigo's game for three straight seasons.
- Reveen

If only all the egos and posturing could be put aside and both sides could just admit that a 50/50 split will work for everyone . I think the biggest complaint from the players is the bullying tactics and the owners not opening the actual books to them . It is hard for the players to be partners with the owners when they feel the are not seeing the true numbers . . If they would only let us fans work out the deal.
We would have some hockey and both sides could be satisfied.

Yup... Plus flights, buses, hotels, food, equipment, stadium costs, accountants, HR, marketing teams, janitors, maintenance, electricians, vendors, team doctors, medical staff, coaches, managers, insurance, medical insurance, marketing costs, taxes, etc etc...
- laughs2907

How many points do you think you'd gte on a line with RNH and Hall?

So 5 seasons without 50 points or 20 goals but I'm an idiot for thinking he won't pass 60 points "at this rate"???
- muffin_man

How many points do I think I'd get playing on a line with Hall and RNH? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but I'm sure I'd get more playing with Hall and RNH than I would with guys like Jones and Hordichuk.

I don't understand how this is difficult to understand... There is more talent on the Oilers now, and Gagner will get the opportunity to play with better players. Is it hard to understand that he'll probably get more points if he plays with better line-mates? Like I said, put him on a line with 2 of Hall/Eberle/RNH/Yakupov/Hemsky for an entire season and get back to me.

If only all the egos and posturing could be put aside and both sides could just admit that a 50/50 split will work for everyone . I think the biggest complaint from the players is the bullying tactics and the owners not opening the actual books to them . It is hard for the players to be partners with the owners when they feel the are not seeing the true numbers . . If they would only let us fans work out the deal.
We would have some hockey and both sides could be satisfied.
- Maximum Signal

The owners aren't the only ones doing the bullying though. The NHLPA is just as bad, if not worse.

The NHLPA is fully aware of the true numbers. I'm pretty sure for legal reasons they have to be.

I for one Think Sam Gagner has a ton of upside . I was really hoping the trade rumors of him coming to Buffalo were true . Both teams would have gotten parts they needed and Sam would have gotten a fresh start . Just to many critics in Edmonton . Too much was expected from this kid too quickly.

How many points do I think I'd get playing on a line with Hall and RNH? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but I'm sure I'd get more playing with Hall and RNH than I would with guys like Jones and Hordichuk.

I don't understand how this is difficult to understand... There is more talent on the Oilers now, and Gagner will get the opportunity to play with better players. Is it hard to understand that he'll probably get more points if he plays with better line-mates? Like I said, put him on a line with 2 of Hall/Eberle/RNH/Yakupov/Hemsky for an entire season and get back to me.
- laughs2907

How many points do you think you'd gte on a line with RNH and Hall?

So 5 seasons without 50 points or 20 goals but I'm an idiot for thinking he won't pass 60 points "at this rate"???
- muffin_man

How many years did it take the Sedins to break 50 pts.... Not saying Gagner is as good as the Sedins, just saying not all players break out right away.

Gee I hope your entire life's accomplishments were not just written on your years as a teenager . What your telling us is that a teenager cannot change and improve on his weaknesses . Wow . You are psychic can see the future too . ! Impressive.
- Maximum Signal

Robbie Schremp and Angelo Esposito agree with you 100%

If only all the egos and posturing could be put aside and both sides could just admit that a 50/50 split will work for everyone . I think the biggest complaint from the players is the bullying tactics and the owners not opening the actual books to them . It is hard for the players to be partners with the owners when they feel the are not seeing the true numbers . . If they would only let us fans work out the deal.
We would have some hockey and both sides could be satisfied.
- Maximum Signal

Honestly if the players want to be "partners" they need to assume some of the risk and not just have their hands out for the reward.

Holy trolly ollie. The kid is 18 (allegedly) so i think we can all agree it's both too early to call him the next Malkin as well as it's too early to call him a bust. What i do know is he is able to put up big numbers and has skill which could hopefully translate to NHL success.
- Zschalberg

Here's the first sensible comment and I only had to read to page 2. Garth, skating in completely uncontested from the wall to mid-circle and scoring on a wrist shot through traffic in the Q is hardly evidence of sure bet elite NHLer. At the same time it's completely unfair to call the kid a no-heart bust simply because he fell to mid first round after playing through mono in his draft year. I was hoping the Leafs had taken a shot on him given his skill-set and their gaping hole at Centre. But hey Burke was apparently able to get the best player in the draft at #5 with Reilly

I for one Think Sam Gagner has a ton of upside . I was really hoping the trade rumors of him coming to Buffalo were true . Both teams would have gotten parts they needed and Sam would have gotten a fresh start . Just to many critics in Edmonton . Too much was expected from this kid too quickly.
- Maximum Signal

Nobody in Edmonton wants Sam Gagner gone... I have yet to see one person aside from Cloutier wanting Gagner gone.

they were offered 50.50 and they told the nhlpa to pound sand...
you talk about "this is how the men work out a deal" and then talk about how the players are the bad guys. that's tool speak, man. get off the owners jock and stop attacking workers that are fighting for their rights to a fair salary!

again, the players are doing all of the work and the owners are benefiting from their labor, so the owners should be lucky to get half and have huge balls asking for more. if you side with the owners, especially after the last two lockouts, then you clearly have an inferiority complex akin to a house slave siding with the master. i cannot help you with that one.
- FIREonICE

Absolutely 100% INCORRECT!

How many years did it take the Sedins to break 50 pts.... Not saying Gagner is as good as the Sedins, just saying not all players break out right away.
- Reveen

This is true, but how often do prospects not named Sedin hit 50 pts for 4 NHL seasons before becoming PPG+ studs?

And those two players are your basis for all players that get a bad scouting report and sliding half a round in the draft at 18 being busts . Wow . You should be GM for a team they would win the Stanley cup every year . What did this kid do to you anyways . You need to get outside and explore beautiful British Columbia and get rid some of that pent up hostility. I guess it would be best if we just took him out and shot him . Ease up there .

Robbie Schremp and Angelo Esposito agree with you 100%
- Reveen

How can you speak for the people in Edmonton ? I thought you made it quite clear , You are not from there.
I like the kid and thought a change of scenery would do him good.

Nobody in Edmonton wants Sam Gagner gone... I have yet to see one person aside from Cloutier wanting Gagner gone.
- Reveen

So anyways, Grigorenko will be a stud. That's the point

Red Line Report: “As talented as Grigorenko is, he simply does not work hard AT ALL when he doesn’t have the puck, even at crucial moments in a game. One shift he had about four minutes left to go in a game his team was only losing by one goal perfectly illustrated the point. After attempting an individualistic play, Grigorenko lost the puck behind the net in the attacking zone, it squirted free to a defenseman about two feet to his right, and he just stood there watching as the defender skated the puck out of trouble without even a hint of trying to track him down or even put mild pressure on him. It would have been a real eye-opener for us – if we hadn’t been seeing the exact same thing from him for three years now.”
- Reveen

Geno was much of the same way. He matured and came a long way. The kid is young and a rockstar in the Q. Once he goes pro he will mature fast.

This is true, but how often do prospects not named Sedin hit 50 pts for 4 NHL seasons before becoming PPG+ studs?
- 1979AD

Todd Bertuzzi is another example.

I for one Think Sam Gagner has a ton of upside . I was really hoping the trade rumors of him coming to Buffalo were true . Both teams would have gotten parts they needed and Sam would have gotten a fresh start . Just to many critics in Edmonton . Too much was expected from this kid too quickly.
- Maximum Signal

As far as I can tell, most Oiler fans like Gagner... Aside from a blogger here and there, I think most of his critics are non Oiler fans. Every now and then, an Oiler fan will throw his name out in a trade proposal, because he's one of the few guys (who we are probably willing to trade) that would actually get something of value. The Oilers aren't going to trade guys like Hall, Eberle, RNH, or Yakupov at this point, so some of us include Gagner's name in proposals that will get us a d-man, or perhaps a 2nd line center with size.

And those two players are your basis for all players that get a bad scouting report and sliding half a round in the draft at 18 being busts . Wow . You should be GM for a team they would win the Stanley cup every year . What did this kid do to you anyways . You need to get outside and explore beautiful British Columbia and get rid some of that pent up hostility. I guess it would be best if we just took him out and shot him . Ease up there .
- Maximum Signal

Lolz... Why are you so butthurt that I think Grigorenko is Robbie Schremp 2.0?

How can you speak for the people in Edmonton ? I thought you made it quite clear , You are not from there.
I like the kid and thought a change of scenery would do him good.
- Maximum Signal

Let me clarify... I have yet to see any Edmonton MSM or hack bloggers (aside from Richard Cloutier) say that they want Sam Gagner gone.

You will be hard pressed to find Oiler fans that want Sam Gagner gone.

Geno was much of the same way. He matured and came a long way. The kid is young and a rockstar in the Q. Once he goes pro he will mature fast.
- poisondhearts37

Geno never slid in the first round. Grigorenko is no Malkin, not even close.

Who is butthurt ? You just have passed way too final a verdict on this kid way too soon. Come back in 10 years and let's see if your crystal ball really works.

Lolz... Why are you so butthurt that I think Grigorenko is Robbie Schremp 2.0?
- Reveen

Geno was much of the same way. He matured and came a long way. The kid is young and a rockstar in the Q. Once he goes pro he will mature fast.
- poisondhearts37

Rob Schremp was a total rockstar in the OHL during his final season.

Rob Schremp - London Knights OHL GP57 G57 A88 PTS145