They shouldnt get any hot dog/beer money.
- atlsabsfan

But they should be able to get all the hot dogs and beer that can eat/drink.

Im with ya, brother. Someone call Vince McMahon, lets get the XHL going.
- moondawg

Only if Brett the Hitman Hart gets to run a team!!!

Given the revenue lockout players NHLPA owners 50% Ovechkin profit sharing, Bettman the blarbblarblarblardbablarb lockout Fehr in Switzerland. This potential means collective agreement fluffrfluff fluffer ding dong. Ugh.

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I'm starting to think that some of this stuff is bs

Ovechkin and Nash clearly dont seem to remember what happened the last time the NHLPA missed a full season.
- Alexzanki

Pittsburgh was GIVEN the first draft choice... the following season ... hmmmmmmmmm maybe the Pens need another top pick

I dont know how much time will be lost. Im not one to suggest it will be a few weeks or an entire season.

But the frustration for me — besides the fact that we have no hockey is this...

The NHL and NHLPA both say they care. They both say they are doing everything they can to make a deal happen, and get back to work.

To which I have to say.... "Yeah, right!!"

I have seen greater urgency in sponge migrations. The tectonic plates move with more speed and determination then these two organizations... BOTH of who are filled with boobs that make Pamela Anderson and Dolly Parton look like AA cups.

The two sides are playing a game with each other, but lets consider some facts.

The PA is feeling like they gave in big time last time (and they did) and is more likely to stand aside based on that, and based on the fact that a great many of its members are now signing contracts and playing overseas. So what is their motivation?

the NHL and its owners feel they can just wait out the PA since they "broke them last time. Plus, when you consider that probably half of them or more will actually do better without a season because they will lose less money, its a no brainer for them.

So who gets screwed? We do. You and I. The fan. The fan of this game are the only ones who honestly give a crap. The owners don't, and I have long hand my doubts about the players.

these dbags are spendng their time flying around the country to dispute whether its legal or not to lockout.

spend this time making an effing deal.

im not far from being over this league

I have to say - Gary Bettman needs to go after all this crap is figured out. Obviously owners / players have come and gone over the past 3 lockouts - I think the main constant is Gary Bettman. Is there a reason he get booed everytime he shows his face in an arena? Does that tell what the masses feel about his value in the minds of the fans.

If what I am reading is true - many owners don't agree with the force of this lockout - why is Bettman still here. I think the owners really need to revisit their decisions to have this weasel as the face of the NHL. He is history is a lockout to solve his issues.

I have to say - Gary Bettman needs to go after all this crap is figured out. Obviously owners / players have come and gone over the past 3 lockouts - I think the main constant is Gary Bettman. Is there a reason he get booed everytime he shows his face in an arena? Does that tell what the masses feel about his value in the minds of the fans.

If what I am reading is true - many owners don't agree with the force of this lockout - why is Bettman still here. I think the owners really need to revisit their decisions to have this weasel as the face of the NHL. He is history is a lockout to solve his issues.
- Peca27

23/30 owners need to agree for any motion to pass i think. i read the lockout vote was unanimous.
it's bettmans job to be the the face of the owners and the lead negotiator, but it doesnt make sense to be just blaming him. he's not doing anything without their support

23/30 owners need to agree for any motion to pass i think. i read the lockout vote was unanimous.
it's bettmans job to be the the face of the owners and the lead negotiator, but it doesnt make sense to be just blaming him. he's not doing anything without their support
- hugefemale dog77

I think he has a certain influence - he has been their puppet for years though. The point I was making is that a Commissioner is not successful if his tenure has 3 lockouts with one being a lost season (so far).

I think he has a certain influence - he has been their puppet for years though. The point I was making is that a Commissioner is not successful if his tenure has 3 lockouts with one being a lost season (so far).
- Peca27

cant argue too much with any of this...

I'd laugh if the NHL just folded. NHL teams should just start putting in scab players. Have some sort of hockey while we wait. Sure players go to the KHL and Euro leagues, but how many do - maybe 5-10% of players. Eventually the other 90% will override them and get tired of waiting.

THe whole thing is stupid. I really cant believe it to be honest.

Just meet in the middle and call it a day.

I'd laugh if the NHL just folded. NHL teams should just start putting in scab players. Have some sort of hockey while we wait. Sure players go to the KHL and Euro leagues, but how many do - maybe 5-10% of players. Eventually the other 90% will override them and get tired of waiting.

THe whole thing is stupid. I really cant believe it to be honest.

Just meet in the middle and call it a day.
- SenCity.ca

what is the middle?

what is the middle?
- watsonnostaw

Des Moine

I've been watching the Leafs since 1967..............and am frankly tired of the costs of going to games, buying jerseys, players selling autographs, etc. To me "growing the business/game" means taking more money out of my pocket! As far as I'm concerned, I would love the season to be cancelled..........be nice to have a break from hockey! Frank them all.

23/30 owners need to agree for any motion to pass i think. i read the lockout vote was unanimous.
it's bettmans job to be the the face of the owners and the lead negotiator, but it doesnt make sense to be just blaming him. he's not doing anything without their support
- hugefemale dog77

Of course the vote was unanimous. That doesn't mean they agreed or have the same interests. For some teams, losing a season means a real loss of profits. For other teams it just means they don't lose as much.

This lock out will end when the Leafs, rangers, etc say it is time for it to end.

Of course the vote was unanimous. That doesn't mean they agreed or have the same interests. For some teams, losing a season means a real loss of profits. For other teams it just means they don't lose as much.

This lock out will end when the Leafs, rangers, etc say it is time for it to end.
- Canada Cup

You mean when the Leafs, Habs and NYR accept to increase the revenue sharing by a good % to support the bottom 10 teams who lose money every year.

But they should be able to get all the hot dogs and beer that can eat/drink.
- JDJ

I cant believe i am going to have to become an NBA fan this fall........anyone want to help clean the crap out of my chapeau?

Of course the vote was unanimous. That doesn't mean they agreed or have the same interests. For some teams, losing a season means a real loss of profits. For other teams it just means they don't lose as much.

This lock out will end when the Leafs, rangers, etc say it is time for it to end.
- Canada Cup

no

when the leafs/rangers etc agree to increase revenue sharing instead of attempting to put it all on the players backs.

the players want to play, and they know they're going to lose something no matter what, but they're literally fighting on principle at this stage.

btw. u do know that the leafs owner vote doesnt count for more than the hurricanes owners vote, right?
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You mean when the Leafs, Habs and NYR accept to increase the revenue sharing by a good % to support the bottom 10 teams who lose money every year.
- Symba007

this..exactly


i dont understand this strange bravado leaf fans get because they happen to live in a place with lots of people..or a big market.
congratulations, your owner is very successful. the fans? not so much..

The way to grandfather in existing contracts with a new, lower cap structure should work something like this:

1. Allow compliance renegotiations for any contract that started in the 2011-12 season or prior. Short version: dollars or years can be removed - but not both. The cap savings realized in any renegotiation is paid toward revenue sharing. Any renegotiated contract has to comply with whatever new rules
- Irish Blues[if any] are put in place governing contracts.

2. Allow compliance buyouts for any contract that started in the 2011-12 season or prior. This works just like the '05 compliance buyouts: 2/3rds of remaining salary, no cap hit - but ensure that the player can't be on the Reserve List of the team executing the buyout for the # of years bought out. [Prevents any "we'll dump you and bring you back at a really cheap contract and skirt the cap" game.]

3. Any team still over the cap after #1, #2 and any trades made can exceed the new Upper Limit by designating any contract(s) to be exempted from cap calculations, subject to the following:
-- Only contracts starting in 2011-12 or prior can be exempted.
-- A contract that is designated for a cap exemption remains exempt until that player is traded, assigned outside the NHL, traded, bought out, or the contract expires. Once that exemption disappears, it is irrevocably gone and cannot be regained, not can another contract be designated for exemption in its place.
-- The maximum amount of allowable exemption is the amount the team exceeds the Upper Limit at a specified point [probably within a week before the start of the season]. As the Upper Limit moves up in future years, the maximum amount of allowable exemption decreases by a like amount.
-- In any League Year that a team has a cap-exempt contract, it pays a dollar-for-dollar luxury tax, the proceeds of which go toward revenue sharing.

This allows teams to get cap-compliant over time instead of having to do it immediately, but forces them to pay for it. It also ensures that teams can't stay over the cap forever by using exempted contracts to sign even more guys and further duck the cap [i.e., no staying $16 million over and spending to the cap every year, if the 1st year the cap moves up $5 million you only have $11 million exempt], while also prohibiting them from dealing guys off when it's not convenient and slapping another contract on in its place to be exempt.

It's a little more complex than this, because there have to be a few more rules in place to prevent gaming of the cap - but those rules would [should] be in there anyway, they wouldn't be a special one-off for this.

Players aren't going to accept or agree to compliance re-negotiations. If I'm a player and the team comes to me to re-negotiate, I tell them to go pound sand.

The only way is for an across the board player for player salary reduction. And that doesn't do much for parity around the League. As the richer teams will gladly pay the luxury tax and pad their rosters as much as they can. If your going to do any of this, then why have a Salary Cap?

And how is the League agreeing to keep HRR as it is, a huge concession on their part? This was their CBA, that they negotiated and what they wanted. It's not working. They defined how HRR was calculated. Now 7 years later they don't like it. There is one single biggest factor in rising player costs. The lack of control by the teams in signing players. Who's agreeing to pay those contracts and offering them to the players? They made their own bed.

Of course the players are saying the whole year could be lost.

It's just more PR jockeying. They seem to think that matters.

Eklund: Players Saying Full Season Will Be Lost Out of Frustration (Concession?)
- Eklund

yup no nhl hockey this year folks AGAIN!.

so concert is were my $$ will go


Starting with the Steve Vai show!

good bye nhl hockey