Give a listen --- AND NO MERCH... it is our only thing can do.
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Please repost. - Beatle_john
That's actually a very good video. And from my perspective, I think that is the most effective way to make a small statement, even if its symbolic. I'll watch the games, because I love hockey, and that isn't going to ever change, but I'm not buying your merchandise -- and concessions for that matter. I'll just wear my skin tight old CCM Brian Leetch jersey when I feel the need to rock some Rangers gear.
Three work stoppages in less than 20 years. Absolutely, disgraceful!
That's actually a very good video. And from my perspective, I think that is the most effective way to make a small statement, even if its symbolic. I'll watch the games, because I love hockey, and that isn't going to ever change, but I'm not buying your merchandise -- and concessions for that matter. I'll just wear my skin tight old CCM Brian Leetch jersey when I feel the need to rock some Rangers gear.
Three work stoppages in less than 20 years. Absolutely, disgraceful! - Pete V
I thought this would be the 4th since 1992? Maybe I am wrong. It really is an absolute disgrace. Go ahead NHL keep pissing off your loyal fan base. I really don't think there is a need for a lockout. Why not just keep negotiating through training camp and preaseason.
I thought this would be the 4th since 1992? Maybe I am wrong. It really is an absolute disgrace. Go ahead NHL keep pissing off your loyal fan base. I really don't think there is a need for a lockout. Why not just keep negotiating through training camp and preaseason. - TPC
That makes to much sense for Gary and the boys. Theyre more concerned with look in better in the PR department than actually getting a season started.
When i see people taking sides for either the players or the owners it makes me laugh because in the end the only side we should be taking is with each other, as fans.
We are the ones who will suffer and lose another half of a season if not more. Its really sad and very frustrating.
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I agree...only really care about us fans anyway. We help supply those revenues, in a perfect world we would have some type of a say lol
I thought this would be the 4th since 1992? Maybe I am wrong. It really is an absolute disgrace. Go ahead NHL keep pissing off your loyal fan base. I really don't think there is a need for a lockout. Why not just keep negotiating through training camp and preaseason. - TPC
You're right, it is the 4th.
A brief 10-day strike in 1992.
The lockouts in 1994-1995 and 2004-2005 which cost us 36 regular season games in 1994-1995 and the entire 2004-2005 season.
This will be the fourth work stoppage in a little more than 20 years and the third owner imposed lockout since 1994.
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The fans are the biggest losers in this situation but the players have a lot at stake too. They will begin forfeiting paychecks in a month and by the NHL's calculations they will lose more after missing the season's first 8 games than what the NHL owners have asked for in their CBA proposal.
Now it would seem their willingness to miss out on many now is because they are holding out for more in the future and that has the appearance of being greedy. In truth, I believe they are more concerned that if it appears they "give in" too much to the owners then that will only reinforce the owner's belief that they can always push the players around and get what they want. As an employee of a company and not a business owner I know how I would feel if my bosses told me that the employees were making too much and asked us all to take a pay cut while agreeing to curb potential future earning growth.
The owners won the big battle in 2005 with the players capitulating and agreeing to a salary cap that is tied closely to hockey revenues. Now I did read an article by Bob McKenzie on TSN in which he made an interesting point. According to McKenzie, revenues since the last lockout have risen from $2.2 billion to $3.3 billion. However roughly $1 billion of that increase went to the players in the form of increased salaries.
Think about that for a second; the owners, most of us would agree, were losing money in 2004. Since the advent of the salary cap almost all of the increased revenue has gone to the players but the cost of doing business for the owners has undoubtedly gone up. So it is reasonable to conclude that the owners are in the same or worse position than they were 8 years ago.
I still side mostly with the players on most of the issues though I do see the need for adjustments to the system. The owners, in my opinion, want to transfer too much of the burden directly onto the players despite the obvious fact the owners created much of the mess by circumventing their cap and handing out the types of up front bonuses that makes it difficult for many clubs to compete financially. I would look at the owners more favorably if they would have at some point even admitted they were to blame, at least partially, for the issues. Instead they point the finger at the players and say in essence, "you guys make too much money."
The fans are the biggest losers in this situation but the players have a lot at stake too. They will begin forfeiting paychecks in a month and by the NHL's calculations they will lose more after missing the season's first 8 games than what the NHL owners have asked for in their CBA proposal.
Now it would seem their willingness to miss out on many now is because they are holding out for more in the future and that has the appearance of being greedy. In truth, I believe they are more concerned that if it appears they "give in" too much to the owners then that will only reinforce the owner's belief that they can always push the players around and get what they want. As an employee of a company and not a business owner I know how I would feel if my bosses told me that the employees were making too much and asked us all to take a pay cut while agreeing to curb potential future earning growth.
The owners won the big battle in 2005 with the players capitulating and agreeing to a salary cap that is tied closely to hockey revenues. Now I did read an article by Bob McKenzie on TSN in which he made an interesting point. According to McKenzie, revenues since the last lockout have risen from $2.2 billion to $3.3 billion. However roughly $1 billion of that increase went to the players in the form of increased salaries.
Think about that for a second; the owners, most of us would agree, were losing money in 2004. Since the advent of the salary cap almost all of the increased revenue has gone to the players but the cost of doing business for the owners has undoubtedly gone up. So it is reasonable to conclude that the owners are in the same or worse position than they were 8 years ago.
I still side mostly with the players on most of the issues though I do see the need for adjustments to the system. The owners, in my opinion, want to transfer too much of the burden directly onto the players despite the obvious fact the owners created much of the mess by circumventing their cap and handing out the types of up front bonuses that makes it difficult for many clubs to compete financially. I would look at the owners more favorably if they would have at some point even admitted they were to blame, at least partially, for the issues. Instead they point the finger at the players and say in essence, "you guys make too much money."
Forgive me for my Tolstoy-esque post. - gkmkiller
Great post, Glen. Personally, I have next to no interest in the particulars of this work stoppage, and the financials associated therewith. The only thing that I really care about is watching hockey, and personally, I find it astounding that any competently managed league can have four work stoppages (and I stand corrected on my previous count) in less than 20 years. The NHL really doesn't deserve the patronage of its fans, especially when they cancelled an entire season 7 years ago. Bunch of jackwagons!
Great post, Glen. Personally, I have next to no interest in the particulars of this work stoppage, and the financials associated therewith. The only thing that I really care about is watching hockey, and personally, I find it astounding that any competently managed league can have four work stoppages (and I stand corrected on my previous count) in less than 20 years. The NHL really doesn't deserve the patronage of its fans, especially when they cancelled an entire season 7 years ago. Bunch of jackwagons! - Pete V
Agree, completely. The problem with boycotting the NHL is there isn't really a comparable option out there; at least not for me. Some might be able to get by watching AHL, Junior or NCAA hockey but that's not nearly the same for me. I could easily boycott pretty much any other business entity in the world and it wouldn't bother me. I could give up McDonalds because there is Burger King, Jack-in-the-Box, Wendy's, In-n-Out, etc. I could stop going to Wal-Mart and instead frequent Target.
But for me there is no adequate replacement for the NHL and I guarantee I will be back. I will again buy the Center Ice package and I plan on adding a McDonagh and perhaps a Nash jersey to my collection. I'm why the league can get away with another work stoppage.
Agree, completely. The problem with boycotting the NHL is there isn't really a comparable option out there; at least not for me. Some might be able to get by watching AHL, Junior or NCAA hockey but that's not nearly the same for me. I could easily boycott pretty much any other business entity in the world and it wouldn't bother me. I could give up McDonalds because there is Burger King, Jack-in-the-Box, Wendy's, In-n-Out, etc. I could stop going to Wal-Mart and instead frequent Target.
But for me there is no adequate replacement for the NHL and I guarantee I will be back. I will again buy the Center Ice package and I plan on adding a McDonagh and perhaps a Nash jersey to my collection. I'm why the league can get away with another work stoppage. - gkmkiller
Don Fehr is not at all used to losing. Matter of fact, he has yet to lose a CBA negotiation, and he doesn't plan on losing this one either, nor does truly plan on compromising all that much. This is going to be a very long drawn out lockout. Once that dye is cast at midnight we can kiss the 2012-13 season goodbye. That is of course unless the owners and Mr. Betteman cave.
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