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braidan
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: State of Corruption.
Joined: 09.27.2006

Sep 7 @ 11:27 AM ET
So the Habs have already offered Subban 2 years, $5.5M ($2.75M/yr), but they won't go to $3.36 because it'd put them in cap difficulty? So what would it do to the Bruins, who have the highest cap number in the league? Flawed logic in a sacrilegious article, to say the least. You're a Bruins' blogger! You are supposed to go into a murderous rage at the mere mention of an Hab wearing a Bruins jersey.
- rhornsburg

They would be fine once Savard goes on LTIR but that only frees up 4 which would be easily matched.
I hope Lucic is difficult to sign next year, I'd definitely give up picks for him.
stormeyAlterEgo
Location: The Attack Line of Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen - Brandon Smille
Joined: 09.24.2008

Sep 7 @ 11:41 AM ET
Concerned No. Players like PK are alot like Crosby, Lemieux, Gretzky, Lafleur, etc.... They are used to be a step above everyone else so come to a league with attitude. As they mature however that attitude is replaced.

Pk is a great player. Watching him everyday I've seen his defensive game come to another level and the kid is a beast in the GM. I don't think he'll be a Karlsson or a Niedermeyer or a Bourque but this kid is arguably our Best D in our zone, and has the offensive tools to still net 40-50 points a year.

I think that if Markov can stay healthy and PK can continue to mature and develop that we will see a Chris Chelios type of guy. I know that's a big comparison.

I would be perfect fine with a 5-6 year deal right now at $5.0 but since Quebec taxes are brutal i say nothing wrong with an extra $500k. After all a year from now we'll have at least 2 guys on this team on entry level deals in Tinordi and Beaulieu.

- willey101

WTF???
willey101
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i
Joined: 10.06.2005

Sep 7 @ 11:47 AM ET
WTF???
- stormeyAlterEgo


Keep reading next post.

Like i said not comparing their hockey skills because Subban is not in that category. Comparing their attitudes entering the league. Crosby, Lemieux, Gretzky were outright cry babies with attitude problems but as they matured their antics stopped.

Subban like those guys will mellow as he ages and matures.
braidan
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: State of Corruption.
Joined: 09.27.2006

Sep 7 @ 11:49 AM ET
Keep reading next post.
- willey101

Hell NO!
He'll take that out of context and run with it, you just might be his next location.
stormeyAlterEgo
Location: The Attack Line of Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen - Brandon Smille
Joined: 09.24.2008

Sep 7 @ 11:50 AM ET
Keep reading next post.

Like i said not comparing their hockey skills because Subban is not in that category. Comparing their attitudes entering the league. Crosby, Lemieux, Gretzky were outright cry babies with attitude problems but as they matured their antics stopped.

Subban like those guys will mellow as he ages and matures.

- willey101

Kinda takes the fun out of it.
willey101
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i
Joined: 10.06.2005

Sep 7 @ 11:50 AM ET
Hell NO!
He'll take that out of context and run with it, you just might be his next location.

- braidan


So be it. It's been a while since I have been called names. My hockey season starts tonight so perhaps it's time for the rubbing.
willey101
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i
Joined: 10.06.2005

Sep 7 @ 11:58 AM ET
Kinda takes the fun out of it.
- stormeyAlterEgo


Such a reply can only warrant the following answer.

You've obviously never played at the same level of hockey as I did.
stormeyAlterEgo
Location: The Attack Line of Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen - Brandon Smille
Joined: 09.24.2008

Sep 7 @ 12:01 PM ET
Such a reply can only warrant the following answer.

You've obviously never played at the same level of hockey as I did.

- willey101

BleedingHabs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Behind enemy lines, ON
Joined: 05.28.2010

Sep 7 @ 12:02 PM ET
Some facts that shout interest people:

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/

Montreal is number 3 on that list, Boston number 5. The difference between both teams operating income is 45 mil (MTL's 47.7 to BOS's 2.7). Montreal can afford to pay Subban, and based on his fan support, they can afford to overpay him. If Boston wants Subban, they'll have to offer a contract so painful that it will severely hurt their ability to compete in a cap environment.

http://tvasports.ca/tvasp...2/08/20120822-221448.html (French)
http://de.twitter.com/L_A...status/230840690807029760

Subban's agent has denied the 2 year, 5 million dollar deal, so it's hard to use it for a basis for anything.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=639693
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...canadiens_malcolm_jordan/
http://www.montrealgazett...ildren/7202711/story.html

Subban grew up a Habs fan and wants to stay in Montreal.


And finally,

http://capgeek.com/charts...ary_cap=%2470%2C200%2C000

The Bruin's have contracts expiring next year for Horton, Lucic, Seguin, Marchand, Ference and Rask. With Montreal's established position as a financial heavyweight, do you really want to piss them off?
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Sep 7 @ 12:14 PM ET
Tente Pantelones! I'd do it. Even if Subban stays in MTL you're still messing with the Scabs.

But its a great idea.

J-Bo is overpaid and not the worth the cost to get him and the price. Honestly, I like the idea of Yandle cause that could help the PP but, the cost again is too high. I hate Subban but I also hated Pouliot, Ryder and Begin for that matter. If all it costs is picks and having to deal Boychuck(cause I would keep McQuaid) then tell me where to sign.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Sep 7 @ 12:18 PM ET
Some facts that shout interest people:

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/

Montreal is number 3 on that list, Boston number 5. The difference between both teams operating income is 45 mil (MTL's 47.7 to BOS's 2.7). Montreal can afford to pay Subban, and based on his fan support, they can afford to overpay him. If Boston wants Subban, they'll have to offer a contract so painful that it will severely hurt their ability to compete in a cap environment.

http://tvasports.ca/tvasp...2/08/20120822-221448.html (French)
http://de.twitter.com/L_A...status/230840690807029760

Subban's agent has denied the 2 year, 5 million dollar deal, so it's hard to use it for a basis for anything.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=639693
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...canadiens_malcolm_jordan/
http://www.montrealgazett...ildren/7202711/story.html

Subban grew up a Habs fan and wants to stay in Montreal.


And finally,

http://capgeek.com/charts...ary_cap=%2470%2C200%2C000

The Bruin's have contracts expiring next year for Horton, Lucic, Seguin, Marchand, Ference and Rask. With Montreal's established position as a financial heavyweight, do you really want to piss them off?

- BleedingHabs


Yes! Yes I do! You're the LAST franchise to be nervous about. Actually, I think in a weird way it sucks that you suck right now. The rivalry is a lot more fun when both teams are competitors.

willey101
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i
Joined: 10.06.2005

Sep 7 @ 12:53 PM ET
Some facts that shout interest people:

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/

Montreal is number 3 on that list, Boston number 5. The difference between both teams operating income is 45 mil (MTL's 47.7 to BOS's 2.7). Montreal can afford to pay Subban, and based on his fan support, they can afford to overpay him. If Boston wants Subban, they'll have to offer a contract so painful that it will severely hurt their ability to compete in a cap environment.

http://tvasports.ca/tvasp...2/08/20120822-221448.html (French)
http://de.twitter.com/L_A...status/230840690807029760

Subban's agent has denied the 2 year, 5 million dollar deal, so it's hard to use it for a basis for anything.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=639693
http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...canadiens_malcolm_jordan/
http://www.montrealgazett...ildren/7202711/story.html

Subban grew up a Habs fan and wants to stay in Montreal.


And finally,

http://capgeek.com/charts...ary_cap=%2470%2C200%2C000

The Bruin's have contracts expiring next year for Horton, Lucic, Seguin, Marchand, Ference and Rask. With Montreal's established position as a financial heavyweight, do you really want to piss them off?

- BleedingHabs



I believe Subban was a Leafs fan.
willey101
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i
Joined: 10.06.2005

Sep 7 @ 12:54 PM ET
Yes! Yes I do! You're the LAST franchise to be nervous about. Actually, I think in a weird way it sucks that you suck right now. The rivalry is a lot more fun when both teams are competitors.
- glove_was_stuck


Rivalry will be better. Habs were not as bad as our record last year but had bad injuries. I mean Gionta, Gomez and Markov pretty much didn't play. That's $18 million in salary.

If Markov is healthy you'll see a much more competitive team plus the addition of Prust, Bouillon, Armstrong will mean some more physical games for sure.
BleedingHabs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Behind enemy lines, ON
Joined: 05.28.2010

Sep 7 @ 1:01 PM ET
I believe Subban was a Leafs fan.
- willey101


"There's no question that people know that I enjoy playing (in Montreal)," Subban told NHL.com on Monday during a visit at Laylor Performance Systems, where he trains in the summer. "I grew up a Montreal Canadiens fan. I love playing there and I want to play there for the rest of my career."


From The article I listed above.
willey101
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Am an addict for Habs talk. i
Joined: 10.06.2005

Sep 7 @ 1:03 PM ET
From The article I listed above.
- BleedingHabs


Since when are we going to start believing quotes from the person in question?
wardancr
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Beloeil, QC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Sep 7 @ 1:10 PM ET
Marchand just resigned [email protected]/y. So that's 2M less cap available for Boston right there.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Sep 7 @ 1:27 PM ET
From The article I listed above.
- BleedingHabs



There's no question that people know that I enjoy playing (in Montreal)," Subban told NHL.com on Monday during a visit at Laylor Performance Systems, where he trains in the summer. "I grew up a Montreal Canadiens fan. I love playing there and I want to play there for the rest of my career."


That's a solid PR friendly statement. It's status quo in markets like Montreal and Boston. He would be crucified by the Montreal media otherwise.
abstrakt
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.08.2007

Sep 7 @ 1:29 PM ET
Your offer sheet amount is too low. Montreal will match that before Boston has even finalized the paperwork.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Sep 7 @ 1:30 PM ET
Marchand just resigned 4@4.5M/y. So that's 2M less cap available for Boston right there.
- wardancr


Double_A
Boston Bruins
Location: SK
Joined: 06.04.2008

Sep 7 @ 1:34 PM ET
Marchand just resigned [email protected]/y. So that's 2M less cap available for Boston right there.
- wardancr


Ooof ... was hoping for a better deal than that.
glove_was_stuck
Boston Bruins
Location: Yeah well that's like your opinion man, MA
Joined: 04.27.2011

Sep 7 @ 1:36 PM ET
Ooof ... was hoping for a better deal than that.
- Double_A


I want what Chiarelli is smoking.
BleedingHabs
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Behind enemy lines, ON
Joined: 05.28.2010

Sep 7 @ 1:36 PM ET
That's a solid PR friendly statement. It's status quo in markets like Montreal and Boston. He would be crucified by the Montreal media otherwise.
- glove_was_stuck


No he wouldn't. Pacioretty admitted he was a Ranger's fan growing up. Price liked the Canucks. Gionta was a Sabres fan. Its not a comment he has to make, its widely known that he, like his father was a Habs fan growing up. No hockey fan cares what team the player cheered for growing up (unless it supports a narrative of loyalty).
fudd1689
Boston Bruins
Location: Boston, MA
Joined: 09.27.2010

Sep 7 @ 1:37 PM ET
It seems that everyone has conveniently forgotten that Subban has to sign the offer sheet before it can actually be matched (or not) by Montreal. Do you really think P.K. Subban would sign an offer sheet with the Bruins, his most hated team in the NHL and the arch-rivals of his current team?
- MrData


He would definitely sign an offersheet if the Bruins presented one. Money can convince people to do a lot of things they normally wouldn't. I also think he would do it for other reasons like the Bruins being a legitimate Cup contender in years past and years to come. We have one of the best cores in the NHL with Seguin, Marchand, Lucic, Rask, Hamilton and the list goes on. Another reason to sign an offersheet would be the chance to play with his brother. So yes I think Subban would bite at the chance to play in Boston.
Habsforever101
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.10.2009

Sep 7 @ 1:38 PM ET
There are a ton of flaws to this plan of yours, I will begin with the fact although the habs have more tied up in their d than boston they have way more cap space holding over 6 mill left compared to the just over 1 mill by the bruins. Also a high 1st and third is definitely not enough compensation for the habs to even consider not matching when you consider his potential. There is also the fact that Subban is probably the most loved hab on the current roster and brings in a ton of sales in jerseys and other apparel which puts money in the owners pocket. So basically the bruins close to 0% chance of giving an offer sheet that they can afford and that the habs wouldn't match.

Then there is the fact that Subban and fathers favorite team is in fact the Canadiens, he recently stated that he loves to play in Montreal and staying in montreal is his number one priority. He even stated how he was not interested in signing an offer sheet, that is probably the reason why nobody has yet to offer him one. Subban has probably told him agent he is not interested and any gms who have inquired ( which I'm sure there have been a few) have been turned away.

The bottom line is montreal is one of the most financially secure teams in the nhl and has a fair amount of cap space with only subban left to sign. He is already a star in montreal and is worth way more to the owners because of his popularity. He also loves all the praise and attention he gets and thrives on it, the chances that boston could ever pull it off are pretty much 0% and haven't even bothered trying because they are fully aware of that fact.

If anything the more likely scenario is a few years down the line when Malcolm is an RFA he might be hit with an offer sheet and come over to the habs. It is after all his favorite team!
Rayven
Boston Bruins
Location: The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Joined: 07.21.2009

Sep 7 @ 1:38 PM ET
Bruins re-up Marchy



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