Mr. Hawk,

Clearly, I am always Da Man. However, today, you have illustrated that you are "the man".

Thanks for the great and though invoking posts.
- Daman

- stveshdy

- mayorofangrytown

Not a fan of "Da Man" ?

Plus, if Bryz ever gets into one of his loony spells, Ballard can be counted on to knock him out of it:




- Tomahawk

OUCH DUDE!!!!

Jeez, shrink the video.

Any more word on that Timonen surgery tweet or was that just BS? Im just getting on today and don't feel like reading all the way back....

I would argue that it is the Flyers unwillingness to let young d-men play through their struggles and learn that is their biggest problem developing defensemen, not coaching or rushing them to the NHL. I don't think it's a recipe for disaster, it's how you develop defensemen in the NHL. You have to let them learn from their mistakes and develop confidence. Rangers are a perfect example of that. If we ever want to have a defense corps as deep as NY has now, and be able to afford it, we have to develop some young d-men. Might as well start now.

EDIT - basically, we need to find a few Matt Reads on defense. Same sort of thing Rangers did in finding Girardi (undrafted).
- BringBack25

They struggle, the team struggles. The Flyers have been trying to find the right formula for developing their young D for 40 + years now with little to no success. I guess it all begins with drafting one, a small detail that seems to continually escape us.

Finding a player like Girardi would certainly help, just not next year. Unlike Read, Dan played a year and part of another in the minors before coming up for 34 games with the Rags in '06-07.

You can limit overexposure by throwing one youngster into the mix on occasion. If you toss two or three in, oh boy.

Not a fan of "Da Man" ?
- stveshdy

There are those that are fans, and there are those that aren't paying attention.

Regardless, Da Man is a fan of Stveshdy for his fairness, humor, and intelligent posts as witnessed on these boards.

For today though, I thought a shout out of Mr. Hawk was due, specifically related to his original content related to Vancouver D-men.

The two glaring differences for me would be -

11 - Don Saleski
15 - Terry Crisp

and it'd be a tough call between Jimmy Watson and Dave Poulin for #20.
- tangent_man

There are those that are fans, and there are those that aren't paying attention.

Regardless, Da Man is a fan of Stveshdy for his fairness, humor, and intelligent posts as witnessed on these boards.

For today though, I thought a shout out of Mr. Hawk was due, specifically related to his original content related to Vancouver D-men.
- Daman

Mr. Hawk represents no questions about that. Very wise person.

- ob18

- aightwebang17

You are a wise man sir

You are a wise man sir
- ob18

Richards is the obvious choice, but my favorite #18 will always be:

You are a wise man sir
- ob18

Thanks!

Cheers!

I know. Just giving you grief.

However, Bartulis is hardly an example of letting young d-men play through their mistakes and learn on the job. He was bounced in and out of the lineup all year long and had zero confidence in his game by the time they were forced into using him in the playoffs in 2010. Also, I think both Gus and MAB have more potential than Bartulis did, and I'd rather play them all year long than saddle the team with JayBo's cap hit.
- BringBack25

I thought that was the point. That if you're waiting for them to do that, you'll be waiting forever. I believe Bart had a lot of potential and would have been better served to have been raised in a different organ-eye-zation.

I thought that was the point. That if you're waiting for them to do that, you'll be waiting forever. I believe Bart had a lot of potential and would have been better served to have been raised in a different organ-eye-zation.
- bodiva88

My point was that you have to let them play, even when they make mistakes. If Bartulis had a bad game he was benched for a while. And when they needed him to play every game his confidence was shot.

It's not like it's a mystery. Bill has touched on the subject many times - i.e. that it is often the second team a young d-man plays for that reaps the benefits of the player finally growing into the role. Just seems to me that if we all know this, we should be able to show some damn patience with the kids we have and avoid giving up on young d-men because we aren't patient enough to let them develop in orange and black.

And even if they fail to develop at all, that's still better than being saddled with JayBo's cap hit, imo.

My point was that you have to let them play, even when they make mistakes. If Bartulis had a bad game he was benched for a while. And when they needed him to play every game his confidence was shot.

It's not like it's a mystery. Bill has touched on the subject many times - i.e. that it is often the second team a young d-man plays for that reaps the benefits of the player finally growing into the role. Just seems to me that if we all know this, we should be able to show some damn patience with the kids we have and avoid giving up on young d-men because we aren't patient enough to let them develop in orange and black.

And even if they fail to develop at all, that's still better than being saddled with JayBo's cap hit, imo.
- BringBack25

Thing is a lot of these farm system dmen for the Flyers aren't ending up going off to all star careers with second teams. they end up playing overseas because they aren't good enough for the NHL. Which is the case for Bartulis and in my original point I implied this could be the case with MAB and Gus. If you're willing to risk a losing season then by all means. Me I think with Mezaros down for the count, Matt Carle off to tampa and god only knows what shape Timmonen will be in, it would behoove the front office to get one more proven NHL caliber defenseman in the lineup that is an effective puck mover. We don't even know what Luke Schenn is going to be, he still has to establish him self as an upper 4 defenseman b/c at this point it think its fair to say he hasn't proven he is yet.

Thing is a lot of these farm system dmen for the Flyers aren't ending up going off to all star careers with second teams. they end up playing overseas because they aren't good enough for the NHL. Which is the case for Bartulis and in my original point I implied this could be the case with MAB and Gus. If you're willing to risk a losing season then by all means. Me I think with Mezaros down for the count, Matt Carle off to tampa and god only knows what shape Timmonen will be in, it would behoove the front office to get one more proven NHL caliber defenseman in the lineup that is an effective puck mover. We don't even know what Luke Schenn is going to be, he still has to establish him self as an upper 4 defenseman b/c at this point it think its fair to say he hasn't proven he is yet.
- JoeRussomanno

I'm not sure that it is all Bartulis could be though. But if I were he, I suppose I'd want to go where I'll play and be given an opportunity, because it wasn't coming here.

There haven't been many who've gone on to better careers elsewhere, but maybe blowing the first 4-5 years of a guys professional training puts him at a permanent disadvantage.

Richards is the obvious choice, but my favorite #18 will always be:


- aightwebang17

Flyers always loved those Mike Ricci, Ron Sutter, Mike Richards, Scott Laughton types of players.

Jeez, shrink the video.

Any more word on that Timonen surgery tweet or was that just BS? Im just getting on today and don't feel like reading all the way back....
- MBFlyerfan

sry if wey leight but that person is confused. timo had back surgery months ago, right after the season ended.

sry if wey leight but that person is confused. timo had back surgery months ago, right after the season ended.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

I thought it sounded familiar.

The person wasn't "confused". It was one of the "insiders" who thought he was getting "breaking news" after credited beat writers were told that Timonen wouldn't play for KaPa because of his back surgery. The "insider" apparently didn't do his homework and didn't realize Timonen already had his surgery.

He deleted the tweet and made some lame ass excuse. These people annoy me.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: KalPa, Flyers Numbers, Flyers HOF Poll
- bmeltzer

I'm late, and I never really cared much about numbers, but...

1. Bernie Parent
2. Mark Howe
3. Behn Wilson
4. Barry Ashbee
5. Kim Johnsson
6. Chris Therien
7. Bill Barber
8. Mark Recchi
9. Pelle Eklund
10. Brad McCrimmon
11. Don Saleski
12. Tim Kerr
13. Claude Lapointe
14. Joe Watson
15 Terry Crisp
16. Robert Earle
17. Paul Holmgren
18. Mike Richards
19. Rick MacLeish
20. Dave Poulin
21. Bill Flett
22. Rick Tocchet
23. Ilkka Sinisalo
24. Sami Kapanen
25. Keith Primeau
26 Brian Propp
27 Ron Hextall
28 Claude Giroux
29 Terry Carkner
30 Ilya Bryzgalov
31 Pelle Lindbergh
32 Murray Craven
33. Pete Peeters
34 John Vanbiesbrouck
35 Ken Wreggett
36 Wes Walz...nah, Darroll Powe.
37 Eric Desjardins
38 Robbie Moore
39 Marty Murray
40 Claude Boivin
41 Andrej Meszaros
42 Todd Bergen
43 Andy Delmore
44 Kimmo Timonen
45 Vinny Prospal
46 Kimbi Daniels
47 Brad Jones
48 Danny Briere
49 Brian Savage
50 Ruslan Fedotenko
51 Randy Jones
52 Todd Fedoruk
53 Dennis Tolpeko
54 David Printz
55 Danny Markov
58 Bill Armstrong only guy to wear it
61 Wing boy
65 Jason Bowen
66 Yannick Dupre
68 Jaromir Jagr
77 Adam Oates
87 Donald Brashear
88 Eric Lindros
89 Mike Comrie
93 Jakub Voracek-thank God I don't have to go Nedved or Zherdev
97 Jeremy Roenick

Bobby Clarke wore 36 for two games in 1981. His jersey was stolen on a road trip and the only other available jersey was 36.

The person wasn't "confused". It was one of the "insiders" who thought he was getting "breaking news" after credited beat writers were told that Timonen wouldn't play for KaPa because of his back surgery. The "insider" apparently didn't do his homework and didn't realize Timonen already had his surgery.

He deleted the tweet and made some lame ass excuse. These people annoy me.
- KGBflyers10

They're all 17 year old kids who wait for a MSM to hint at something, and boom they have "sources" telling them that such and such happened...it's all bullpoop

I'm late, and I never really cared much about numbers, but...


61 Wing boy
- Jsaquella

- tangent_man

It'd almost be worth trading for Rick Nash just to eliminate that piece of poop from my list. Holy worthless.