and Brozac
- GuyLaDouche

(frank) Bozak.... It's good to have a 3rd line center , but seriously We can get many 3rd line centers that can replace this guy, We need him because we are hurting so bad for centers since Sundin left but Were not talking about an importantpiece here at all.

Stick a NCAA center with mediocre talent in with hot Lupul and Kessel and he gets same or better numbers...Bozak = more than expendable.

Since connolly produced more
- Mapleleafs_91

You'd better keep him then, you need all the help you can get!!

(frank) Bozak.... It's good to have a 3rd line center , but seriously We can get many 3rd line centers that can replace this guy, We need him because we are hurting so bad for centers since Sundin left but Were not talking about an importantpiece here at all.

Stick a NCAA center with mediocre talent in with hot Lupul and Kessel and he gets same or better numbers...Bozak = more than expendable.
- MindFr3eak

Thank you. I guarantee you stick colborne in the middle
He will produce the same if not more

If making the leafs better for the next 5 years costs us reilley to get Luongo + I am not opposed to Reilley being used as bait in a multi player deal.
- MindFr3eak

Well the problem is the consensus is that he'll turn out like Karlsson or Letang...those are some big players and I would hate to miss out on what could potentially be a great player for us in exchange for Luongo +. IMHO it would have to be Kesler coming back before I consider releasing Rielly

You'd better keep him then, you need all the help you can get!!
- LeftCoaster

Hes our secret weapon shhhh Tiny tim glassman to
The rescue, luckily last season he was
Man of steel not glass

Well the problem is the consensus is that he'll turn out like Karlsson or Letang...those are some big players and I would hate to miss out on what could potentially be a great player for us in exchange for Luongo +. IMHO it would have to be Kesler coming back before I consider releasing Rielly
- Suckitcrosby

How about we just keep our top prospects

Since when did Booth become a salary dump?
- LeftCoaster

Long Injury history, poor season, 4.5 Million seems overpaid considering his production and age. I don't think of it as a salary dump so much as moving salary for an upgrade in Doan. If the Leafs offered up one of their better prospects in a deal like that, you'd add a good Right Handed Defenseman whose big, and can learn to utilize that size, a decent fill in for Kesler until he gets back, 2 picks and a prospect like Stuart/Blacker/Colbourne. Maybe even a Frattin.

Booth is a good player, but for certain reasons has a risk/reward feel in him. As such, it'd be fair for the Leafs to pay a good price, but not have to overpay drastically. And you probably end up freeing 5 million in Cap Space for Doan, and to make Deadline Trades, etc. If you end up signing Doan, the team, imo looks just that much better. And who knows? With maneuverable amounts of cap space, maybe you land your last Stanley Cup piece in a trade later on. I'd love to see Vancouver win a cup regardless of some... heated fan discussions over the years.

Well the problem is the consensus is that he'll turn out like Karlsson or Letang...those are some big players and I would hate to miss out on what could potentially be a great player for us in exchange for Luongo +. IMHO it would have to be Kesler coming back before I consider releasing Rielly
- Suckitcrosby

IMO we have nothing great right now, We have nothing great to look forward to Kessel and Lupul are topped out right now, he wave (frank) all in nets IMO....I would trade reilly in a second for an elite goalie with 4-5 years left in eliteness.....

Long Injury history, poor season, 4.5 Million seems overpaid considering his production and age. I don't think of it as a salary dump so much as moving salary for an upgrade in Doan. If the Leafs offered up one of their better prospects in a deal like that, you'd add a good Right Handed Defenseman whose big, and can learn to utilize that size, a decent fill in for Kesler until he gets back, 2 picks and a prospect like Stuart/Blacker/Colbourne. Maybe even a Frattin.

Booth is a good player, but for certain reasons has a risk/reward feel in him. As such, it'd be fair for the Leafs to pay a good price, but not have to overpay drastically. And you probably end up freeing 5 million in Cap Space for Doan, and to make Deadline Trades, etc. If you end up signing Doan, the team, imo looks just that much better. And who knows? With maneuverable amounts of cap space, maybe you land your last Stanley Cup piece in a trade later on. I'd love to see Vancouver win a cup regardless of some... heated fan discussions over the years.
- Viktory

NO MORE TRADING DEFENDERS(Prospects) if
We trade franson

IMO we have nothing great right now, We have nothing great to look forward to Kessel and Lupul are topped out right now, he wave (frank) all in nets IMO....I would trade reilly in a second for an elite goalie with 4-5 years left in eliteness.....
- MindFr3eak

Not down haha rielly is going to be a beast.

How about we just keep our top prospects
- Mapleleafs_91

Our top prospects are middle of the pack prospects, I would trade all our top prospects for a top flight goalie and a #1 Center for our middle of the pack prospects.

Only problem is, with our gerryatric prospects a #1 center and a goalie for 9/10 of our team is prettyrealistic...

Not down haha rielly is going to be a beast.
- Mapleleafs_91

At this stage it's hard... We could ber a really good playoff team with 2-3 pieces, but as leaf fans we are shy because we have been on the losing end of everything for longer than we hoped to be.

NO MORE TRADING DEFENDERS(Prospects) if
We trade franson
- Mapleleafs_91

The team has about 6 notable defensive prospects not including Franson

Rielly
Blacker
Percy
Holzer
Finn
Gardiner (Recent Graduate from prospect status)

Giving up one of the these 6 players for a Top End Goalie and a power forward esque Booth along with Franson, a bad contract and some picks seems fine to me. Toronto has the cap space, and improving in two key areas (Goaltending, Size up front) Makes a huge difference.

Long Injury history, poor season, 4.5 Million seems overpaid considering his production and age. I don't think of it as a salary dump so much as moving salary for an upgrade in Doan. If the Leafs offered up one of their better prospects in a deal like that, you'd add a good Right Handed Defenseman whose big, and can learn to utilize that size, a decent fill in for Kesler until he gets back, 2 picks and a prospect like Stuart/Blacker/Colbourne. Maybe even a Frattin.

Booth is a good player, but for certain reasons has a risk/reward feel in him. As such, it'd be fair for the Leafs to pay a good price, but not have to overpay drastically. And you probably end up freeing 5 million in Cap Space for Doan, and to make Deadline Trades, etc. If you end up signing Doan, the team, imo looks just that much better. And who knows? With maneuverable amounts of cap space, maybe you land your last Stanley Cup piece in a trade later on. I'd love to see Vancouver win a cup regardless of some... heated fan discussions over the years.
- Viktory

Booth's injury this season was a freak knee on knee. I don't think they're in a rush to ship him out just yet.

Had he played a full season, he would have finished with 24 goals/50ish points. Definitely room for improvement, but I don't think he's a salary dump at this point.

Booth's injury this season was a freak knee on knee. I don't think they're in a rush to ship him out just yet.

Had he played a full season, he would have finished with 24 goals/50ish points. Definitely room for improvement, but I don't think he's a salary dump at this point.
- Fosco

Agreed

I think Gillis needs to just bite the bullet and trade Luongo to the leafs for Kulimen, Holzer/Kadri and a 2nd. He isn't getting Gardiner, Rielly or our first round pick so he has to get that nonsense out of his head. I can't see Gillis getting our first round pick unless someone named Sedin or Kesler is coming back (alright trolls, I did not say they are only worth a first round pick, i am saying that Vancouver has nothing else that TO needs enough to warrant throwing in a first round pick.)
- Suckitcrosby

So you're going to offer Kulimen, Kadri and a 2nd but there is no way you give up that first round pick or Gardiner for that matter...

Do you know that Schenn was picked well ahead of Gardiner in the same draft? Would you trade Schenn ( top five pick ) straight up for Lou? How about the aforementioned Kadri straight up? ( 7th overall)

What is so appealing about a first round pick that we should give up Luongo for? Morgan Reilly? I wonder if he'll be as good as Schenn? You think with Lou in net and all that other greatness on the Leafs the Nucks will land McKinnon?

Maybe we can pick another Jiri Tustly.....

I tell you this much, I'd trade Luongo for a 1st if it was the guaranteed 1st overall pick ( if not there would be conditions). Luongo has a much better record that 1st overall picks ( Rick DiPietro ) and a higher rate of success than top 5 picks.

Worried about the length of the contract? There will be plenty of teams looking to take that cap hit during the later years when the trade options open up.

The team has about 6 notable defensive prospects not including Franson

Rielly
Blacker
Percy
Holzer
Finn
Gardiner (Recent Graduate from prospect status)

Giving up one of the these 6 players for a Top End Goalie and a power forward esque Booth along with Franson, a bad contract and some picks seems fine to me. Toronto has the cap space, and improving in two key areas (Goaltending, Size up front) Makes a huge difference.
- Viktory

I would give up any 2 for solid goaltending for the next 5 years.

So you're going to offer Kulimen, Kadri and a 2nd but there is no way you give up that first round pick or Gardiner for that matter...

Do you know that Schenn was picked well ahead of Gardiner in the same draft? Would you trade Schenn ( top five pick ) straight up for Lou? How about the aforementioned Kadri straight up? ( 7th overall)

What is so appealing about a first round pick that we should give up Luongo for? Morgan Reilly? I wonder if he'll be as good as Schenn? You think with Lou in net and all that other greatness on the Leafs the Nucks will land McKinnon?

Maybe we can pick another Jiri Tustly.....

I tell you this much, I'd trade Luongo for a 1st if it was the guaranteed 1st overall pick ( if not there would be conditions). Luongo has a much better record that 1st overall picks ( Rick DiPietro ) and a higher rate of success than top 5 picks.

Worried about the length of the contract? There will be plenty of teams looking to take that cap hit during the later years when the trade options open up.
- golfingsince

I want to reply to thus but I am pretty wasted...i will see this post tomorrow.

Booth's injury this season was a freak knee on knee. I don't think they're in a rush to ship him out just yet.

Had he played a full season, he would have finished with 24 goals/50ish points. Definitely room for improvement, but I don't think he's a salary dump at this point.
- Fosco

He also has only played an 82 game season once in his career. And he was -31, 40 points. I realize he was on a "bad" team in Florida, but in other years on the same quality team, he has a 30 goal season and a bunch of plus seasons. in 09-10 he missed 54 games and scored 16 points. There are a bunch of intangibles to David Booth, and I agree he is not a salary Dump. I treat the situation has trying to get Doan as an upgrade, free cap space and trying to make an overall more fair trade all around.

So you're going to offer Kulimen, Kadri and a 2nd but there is no way you give up that first round pick or Gardiner for that matter...

Do you know that Schenn was picked well ahead of Gardiner in the same draft? Would you trade Schenn ( top five pick ) straight up for Lou? How about the aforementioned Kadri straight up? ( 7th overall)

What is so appealing about a first round pick that we should give up Luongo for? Morgan Reilly? I wonder if he'll be as good as Schenn? You think with Lou in net and all that other greatness on the Leafs the Nucks will land McKinnon?

Maybe we can pick another Jiri Tustly.....

I tell you this much, I'd trade Luongo for a 1st if it was the guaranteed 1st overall pick ( if not there would be conditions). Luongo has a much better record that 1st overall picks ( Rick DiPietro ) and a higher rate of success than top 5 picks.

Worried about the length of the contract? There will be plenty of teams looking to take that cap hit during the later years when the trade options open up.
- golfingsince

Schenn was taken way too early and you know it, and Kadri hasn't really panned out. There is a huge difference. You ask anyone who they would rather Gardiner or Schenn and see how many say Gardiner. And as of right now you don't know if we are being locked out, that could mean that our pick is Nathan Mackinnon because we would have 3 balls in the lotto for lack of playoff appearances and lack of first overall picks if we were to go by the rules of the previous lockout. I am not taking that chance.

He also has only played an 82 game season once in his career. And he was -31, 40 points. I realize he was on a "bad" team in Florida, but in other years on the same quality team, he has a 30 goal season and a bunch of plus seasons. in 09-10 he missed 54 games and scored 16 points. There are a bunch of intangibles to David Booth, and I agree he is not a salary Dump. I treat the situation has trying to get Doan as an upgrade, free cap space and trying to make an overall more fair trade all around.
- Viktory

I think they'd trade others before they'd trade Booth, or even just bury a player in the minors. There are other options for getting rid of salary.

They likely want Doan as a compliment to Booth, not an upgrade. Booth/Kesler/Doan.

Pretty sure Doan will re-sign in Pho, so it really doesn't matter.

Booth=Lupul

30 Goal seasons booth=1 lupul=0
60pt seasons booth=1 lupul=1

Booth and Lupul both make roughly the same in salary but Lupul is in for a big payday after this season while booth is locked in a his contract for a few more years.

Both players have been threw numerous injuries that may have slowed them both from reaching there full potential but both (especially lupul with his blood infection and booth with concussion and acl/mcl ) have found a way to battle back time after time and still be top6 players on just about every team

Also here's my luongo proposal:

To TML:
Luo
Raymond
Ballard

To Van:
Lombardi
Ashton
Franson
MacArthur

Schenn was taken way too early and you know it, and Kadri hasn't really panned out. There is a huge difference. You ask anyone who they would rather Gardiner or Schenn and see how many say Gardiner. And as of right now you don't know if we are being locked out, that could mean that our pick is Nathan Mackinnon because we would have 3 balls in the lotto for lack of playoff appearances and lack of first overall picks if we were to go by the rules of the previous lockout. I am not taking that chance.
- Suckitcrosby

Dude, it's a draft pick compared to an NHL all star......

Booth=Lupul

30 Goal seasons booth=1 lupul=0
60pt seasons booth=1 lupul=1

Booth and Lupul both make roughly the same in salary but Lupul is in for a big payday after this season while booth is locked in a his contract for a few more years.

Both players have been threw numerous injuries that may have slowed them both from reaching there full potential but both (especially lupul last season) have found a way to battle back time after time and still be top6 players on just about every team
- NFLDcanuck

no way in hell does booth equal lupul.

Oh Mikey,

"Bluff"?

The best goaltender on the market, with the highest career save % in the NHL, one of the highest since they started keeping the stat.

3 time Vezina nominee. Jennings winner. One of only 10 goalies with 6 straight 30+ wins with one team.

There aint no bluffing here. He gets a good deal or goes to the other guy.

I am enjoying folks from back East running the guy down every chance they get though.

Carry on...
- vancitydan