Vanek is the farest thing from a pure goal scorer as they come.
- hubie

That's a little far fetched.

That's a little far fetched.
- buffalofan19

how do you figure he scores 90% of his goals from the slot on tips

was curious about where he ranks in goals per game active players
not too bad

1.Alexander Ovechkin, 0.613
2.Ilya Kovalchuk, 0.521
3.Sidney Crosby, 0.514
4.Teemu Selanne, 0.4944
5.Jaromir Jagr, 0.4941
6.Evgeni Malkin, 0.487
7.Dany Heatley, 0.465
8.Marian Gaborik, 0.449
9.Jarome Iginla, 0.434
10.Rick Nash, 0.429
11.Marian Hossa, 0.426
12.Thomas Vanek, 0.420
13.Jeff Carter, 0.391
14.Eric Staal, 0.389
15.Corey Perry, 0.387
16.Henrik Zetterberg, 0.377
17.Milan Hejduk, 0.3744
18.Vincent Lecavalier, 0.3737
19.Jason Spezza, 0.373
20.Simon Gagne, 0.372
21.Daniel Alfredsson, 0.368
22.Martin St. Louis, 0.347
23.Patrick Marleau, 0.34646
24.Patrik Elias, 0.34645
25.Daniel Briere, 0.344

how do you figure he scores 90% of his goals from the slot on tips
- hubie

90%, you just lost all credibility with me. Don't make up stats that aren't even close to true to try to justify your opinion.

I'm becoming embarrassed to associate myself with some of you Sabre fans. Some of you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, not all, not most, only some.

Trade Vanek? You had better get a 30+ goal scorer back, because he is our best offensive threat.

Trade Miller for Kane? We have NO depth at goalie in this organization. We would be an injury away(to Enroth) from starting a sub-par, undeveloped AHL goalie.

Honestly, there is a lot of one-track mindedness and irrationality in our ranks. I wish that those of you in question would think before you post.

Vanek will benefit from a shortened season. Unfortunately, the style Vanek plays makes him likely to get injured. He has been banged up the past few seasons, and IMO a little extra time off (if there is a lockout) should help.

How many goals are scored because of him that he gets no credit for? He takes a beating setting up in front of the net, but the screens he sets allow others to score while he gets no credit for a goal or an assist.

IMO when Vanek is healthy and on his game he is one of the best wingers in the NHL. That's not me hyping up my teams players, that is what I honestly believe.

So, here we go, I can't wait for the Toronto fan who in less than 5 minutes will be posting about how I am a retard, and that Vanek sucks, and the Sabres suck, and Buffalo sucks, and everything in the world outside of Toronto sucks...and he'll cap it of with 20 unnecessary lol emoticons.

And if it isn't a Toronto fan it will be FLYERSROCK or some other megalomaniacal philly fan. These guys never seem to be able to make an argument to try to support their opinions, rather they are determined to slander every other team and its fans.
- Sabretooter

Few things, like Vanek, agrees he takes absolute beatings in front of the net for this team.

As far as other fans, disagree. I think fans of other teams give our players more credit the we do. In fact, HB Sabres fans at large hate the Sabres. For the most part we hate EVERY player here from 2011 or ealier. There isn't one guy not trash talked on a weekly basis by Sabres fans. Except the draft picks that haven't worn the jersey yet.

edit: And you know what, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the negativity towards our team. If you don't like our team, switch, or re-jump on the bandwagon in the next year or so when we get good.

90%, you just lost all credibility with me. Don't make up stats that aren't even close to true to try to justify your opinion.
I'm becoming embarrassed to associate myself with some of you Sabre fans. Some of you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, not all, not most, only some.

Trade Vanek? You had better get a 30+ goal scorer back, because he is our best offensive threat.

Trade Miller for Kane? We have NO depth at goalie in this organization. We would be an injury away(to Enroth) from starting a sub-par, undeveloped AHL goalie.

Honestly, there is a lot of one-track mindedness and irrationality in our ranks. I wish that those of you in question would think before you post.
- Sabretooter

oh dam now I wont be able to sleep for months. Dude if you too 90% litterally than just wow bro. just cause a guy scores goals doesnt make him a PURE GOAL SCORER. SO when you see Vaneks game you think of the likes of say Bure Jagr Selanne Mogilny Stamkos Overchkin hes in that group right? Or would he be in a group with say Cam Neely?

Few things, like Vanek, agrees he takes absolute beatings in front of the net for this team.

As far as other fans, disagree. I think fans of other teams give our players more credit the we do. In fact, HB Sabres fans at large hate the Sabres. For the most part we hate EVERY player here from 2011 or ealier. There isn't one guy not trash talked on a weekly basis by Sabres fans. Except the draft picks that haven't worn the jersey yet.

edit: And you know what, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the negativity towards our team. If you don't like our team, switch, or re-jump on the bandwagon in the next year or so when we get good.
- Buffalo--Sabres

" There isn't one guy not trash talked on a weekly basis by Sabres fans. Except the draft picks that haven't worn the jersey yet."
Hyperbole


"And you know what, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the negativity towards our team. If you don't like our team, switch, or re-jump on the bandwagon in the next year or so when we get good."

AWESOME, thank you.

"As far as other fans"
I didn't mean to imply all fans, I was more specifically addressing the few trolls that regularly post on our blogs. Maybe I wasn't very clear.

Good points though. Good post.

oh dam now I wont be able to sleep for months. Dude if you too 90% litterally than just wow bro. just cause a guy scores goals doesnt make him a PURE GOAL SCORER. SO when you see Vaneks game you think of the likes of say Bure Jagr Selanne Mogilny Stamkos Overchkin hes in that group right? Or would he be in a group with say Cam Neely?
- hubie

Do you need to be an all-time elite player to be a pure goal scorer? Is that what you are saying?

And 90% is a far cry from what is probably true, which is 10 - 20%. Even if you said "majority", I would take issue with that.

Do you need to be an all-time elite player to be a pure goal scorer? Is that what you are saying?

And 90% is a far cry from what is probably true, which is 10 - 20%. Even if you said "majority", I would take issue with that.
- Sabretooter

I would definetly say the majority of them are in front of the net. But, I dont have the free time during the day to look into it. But I think people would agree with me.

Even though you didnt answer the question would you say vaneks game is closer to bure or to neely?

how do you figure he scores 90% of his goals from the slot on tips
- hubie

Because we didn't have that type of guy on the team anymore so Lindy had him make himself into that type of player. In the Presidents Cup season Vanek didn't park his ass infront of the net.

" There isn't one guy not trash talked on a weekly basis by Sabres fans. Except the draft picks that haven't worn the jersey yet."
Hyperbole


"And you know what, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the negativity towards our team. If you don't like our team, switch, or re-jump on the bandwagon in the next year or so when we get good."

AWESOME, thank you.

"As far as other fans"
I didn't mean to imply all fans, I was more specifically addressing the few trolls that regularly post on our blogs. Maybe I wasn't very clear.

Good points though. Good post.
- Sabretooter

As far as other fans and trolls, if people post incomplete thoughts like "Vanek sucks", "Sabres suck" or any other kind of incomplete thought, I generally ignore it because you can't have a conversation with someone on thier incomplete thoughts. If you do try to respond with a defense, you are then throwing out a complete thought, which they naturally try marginilize and discredit, giving them the appearance of the upper hand, and you have then been trolled.

I never ripped into vanek all I said was
A) hes not a pure goal scorer
B) he scores most his goals around the net
C) He wont score 40 goals not cause of a lack of personal talent but the talent around him plus the fact that he plays hurt not only more often then its lead to beleive but hes probably hurt worse than its known.

But I will say this if Vanek got me a different high caliber player I would do it. That doesnt mean I dont like him but guess what some change is needed and dont think its just Derek Roy is all the change we need.

I would definetly say the majority of them are in front of the net. But, I dont have the free time during the day to look into it. But I think people would agree with me.

Even though you didnt answer the question would you say vaneks game is closer to bure or to neely?
- hubie

I never watched either play much, I was younger and not really into hockey as much as I am now. I know he is not a speed player like Bure.

The league was different in the 90's than it is now. Goalie equipment is better, defenses are better, scoring is down, and the way most goals are scored is different.

Just because many of Vanek's goals come from in front of the net, does not mean they are all tip-ins, like you asserted. And that does not mean he is not a natural goal scorer.

You are grasping for air because you are drowning in your illogical arguments.

"how do you figure he scores 90% of his goals from the slot on tips"

Did you write that? Is that in contradiction with what you just now posted? Again, NO CREDIBILITY
- Sabretooter

Produce video of all his goals and we will see whos right. But i bet more people wil agree with me than you.

Youth youth and knowledge is the one thats lacking. You really need to learn what a pure goal scorer is and come back and talk son.
- hubie

When I value your opinion I will let you know. How do you define a "pure goal scorer"? Where did you get your so called knowledge? Of which I have yet to see any evidence.

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When I value your opinion I will let you know. How do you define a "pure goal scorer"? Where did you get your so called knowledge? Of which I have yet to see any evidence.
- Sabretooter

maybe you should youtube or ask someone whos been around long enough to know the list of players I gave you.

Dude who cares who values whos opinion I dont care what anyone thinks. A question was asked an answer was given. YOu took 90% to far I guess if I said hed score a million goals youd think I actually meant a million goals

This gives a pretty good sample

But I will say this if Vanek got me a different high caliber player I would do it. That doesnt mean I dont like him but guess what some change is needed and dont think its just Derek Roy is all the change we need.

I know we need more change if we want to be a Stanley cup winner, but its unlikely this season, or next. We pulled the Goose trade out of our ass, and realistically the Roy trade is a gamble and its technically bad on paper. None the less I think this team will be better. Better health and more experience as time goes will be the difference.

Produce video of all his goals and we will see whos right. But i bet more people wil agree with me than you.
- hubie

IDC how many people agree with me or you.

A large majority of people think that the sky is blue because of the sun's light bouncing of the ocean. Does the fact that they are in the majority equate to them being right?

The number of people who agree with either of us is insignificant pertaining to who is correct.

And there is no right and wrong on an issue like this. It is like saying; The best President in the history of the US is ... There is no way to prove it, it is an opinion.

I know we need more change if we want to be a Stanley cup winner, but its unlikely this season, or next. We pulled the Goose trade out of our ass, and realistically the Roy trade is a gamble and its technically bad on paper. None the less I think this team will be better. Better health and more experience as time goes will be the difference.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Goose trade was the supply vs demand, which makes me wonder if there were and what offors for him at the deadline.

IDC how many people agree with me or you.

A large majority of people think that the sky is blue because of the sun's light bouncing of the ocean. Does the fact that they are in the majority equate to them being right?

The number of people who agree with either of us is insignificant pertaining to who is correct.

And there is no right and wrong on an issue like this. It is like saying; The best President in the history of the US is ... There is no way to prove it, it is an opinion.
- Sabretooter

Did you youtube pavel bure?

Enough negativity already people.


Be glad that...

A) Vanek gets the puck in no matter how he scores
B) We aren't The leafs or the Jackets.

Enough negativity already people.


Be glad that...

A) Vanek gets the puck in no matter how he scores
B) We aren't The leafs or the Jackets.
- Buffalo--Sabres

what did I say negitive?

what did I say negitive?
- hubie

Nothing, I'm trying to help squash the bickering session about things that can't be proven or changed.