$7M? Is this before the CBA expires or after with all of the question marks and unknowns surrounding the new CBA?

So Lupul is worth $2.5M more than Hartnell or Pacioretty? A decent comparison that someone made was Hemsky and he recent signed a 2 year, $5M per deal.

He can ask all he likes, but if that's the case then he can eat a Richard and be traded for picks and he might not like where he lands.

Burke hasn't made any panic moves this summer (YET!), I highly doubt that he will start now.
- As_I_See_It

Pretty clear I was talking about Kessel asking for $7M when he's UFA.

care to go edit this now?

Then I guess it's, "LATER JOFF!!"

If Lupul likes playing in T.O. as much as he says he does, then he'll take a discount too.

Given that Lupul has had 1 GREAT SEASON and has an injury riddled history, there is no way Burke should pay him what you've stated above.

Furthermore, is Lupul really worth more than Grabo? Is he worth more than Kessel? Is he worth more than Hartnell and Pacioretty given the deals we've seen them sign this week? I'd say in all cases.

As per Cap Geek: KNOWN CLAUSES (note: if player has been traded, clauses may no longer apply): NTC (starting July 1, 2010, Lupul can list six teams he will not accept a trade to; if his team misses the playoffs, he can be traded from the end of that season to the next trade deadline without restriction)

If Lupul wants to ask for the moon, then he just might see his ass in Columbus, Phoenix or Long Island.

Short term = Higher salary per year
Long term = Lower salary per year
... He won't get both.
- As_I_See_It

Be honest ...did you think Grabo would get 5 x 5.5?

Hartnell brings a lot more grit to the table than Lupul.
- Atomic Wedgie

Suck it Phaneuf.

Be honest ...did you think Grabo would get 5 x 5.5?
- The Law

yes. Though, he had the advantage of knowing Leafs could not possibly afford to let him go - he's the only true #2 C in the organization, never mind the lack of a #1C.

Pretty clear I was talking about Kessel asking for $7M when he's UFA.

care to go edit this now?
- Big_Lightnin

Damn it!

Edit: At least you know how I feel about Lupul making $7M!

Depending on how the CBA shakes out, I'm not sold that Kessel with make $7M just yet.

oh for sure, but that doesn't generally translate into $$. Goals do, and he took a discount to stay on a winning team in Philly.

Hartnell was fairly mediocre in Nashville. He knows he's got it good in philly.
If he went to UFA he would have gotten $6M.
- Big_Lightnin

...and he got term ....being paid to age 36 lowered the $/yr. Lupul, at only 28, is staring at his prime payday years with this next contract. He'll want more then Hartnell unless BB can convince him otherwise.

Damn it!
- As_I_See_It

...and he got term ....being paid to age 36 lowered the $/yr. Lupul, at only 28, is staring at his prime payday years with this next contract. He'll want more then Hartnell unless BB can convince him otherwise.
- The Law

yup, hell he makes $4.25M NOW! Hartnell's deal is for $4.75M annual hit. People honestly thinking Lupul's going to take less than that are insane. Leafs don't have the leverage to get players to take discounts like that.

Grabo's contract is the START of the conversation for Lupul. If Burke get's him on a similar deal to Grabo (assuming Lupul remains consistent, which I believe he will) then Burke has done well.

he MIGHT take 5yrs/ $5M per is he gets a more solid NTC, say 10 list or something, since he's been traded a lot he might want control over that.

Be honest ...did you think Grabo would get 5 x 5.5?
- The Law

No I didn't, I though he'd be around the $4.75M mark.

However, it was more or less a perfect storm for Grabo and his agent. He knew that the Leafs were hurting up the middle and that there was nothing much available at C this summer.

I can't say that I'm overly disappointed with the contract either.

Grabo struck while the iron was hot and got paid. It's the nature of the beast.

yup, hell he makes $4.25M NOW! Hartnell's deal is for $4.75M annual hit. People honestly thinking Lupul's going to take less than that are insane. Leafs don't have the leverage to get players to take discounts like that.

Grabo's contract is the START of the conversation for Lupul. If Burke get's him on a similar deal to Grabo (assuming Lupul remains consistent, which I believe he will) then Burke has done well.
- Big_Lightnin

Always the voice of reason Mr. Lightnin

$7M? Is this before the CBA expires or after with all of the question marks and unknowns surrounding the new CBA?

So Lupul is worth $2.5M more than Hartnell or Pacioretty? A decent comparison that someone made was Hemsky and he recent signed a 2 year, $5M per deal.

He can ask all he likes, but if that's the case then he can eat a bag of salty Richards and be traded for picks and he might not like where he lands.

Burke hasn't made any panic moves this summer (YET!), I highly doubt that he will start now.
- As_I_See_It

You might be right about a trade being the outcome .....but Lupul is a UFA next summer so he's in control of where he lands ...unless you mean he'd have any concern whatsoever about having to spend 1 lock-out shortened season somewhere.

It's a risk for both right now. Leave him unsigned this season and pay out the ass if you decide to keep him next summer (see Grabo).

yup, hell he makes $4.25M NOW! Hartnell's deal is for $4.75M annual hit. People honestly thinking Lupul's going to take less than that are insane. Leafs don't have the leverage to get players to take discounts like that.

Grabo's contract is the START of the conversation for Lupul. If Burke get's him on a similar deal to Grabo (assuming Lupul remains consistent, which I believe he will) then Burke has done well.
- Big_Lightnin

Hartnell took less money because he wanted to stay with the Flyers. He got six years, a NMC and long term security with a Cup contender. In exchange, he took less money. If Hartnell wanted, he could have become a UFA in the future and easily got 5.5 million or more. That's the range Lupul will most likely be in if he has another decent season.

Too many people have their mind set on Getzlaf and Perry and think they'll be coming to Toronto over every team..
- jbold

...as does Burke

No I didn't, I though he'd be around the $4.75M mark.

However, it was more or less a perfect storm for Grabo and his agent. He knew that the Leafs were hurting up the middle and that there was nothing much available at C this summer.

I can't say that I'm overly disappointed with the contract either.

Grabo struck while the iron was hot and got paid. It's the nature of the beast.
- As_I_See_It

yup. But he'll earn it. I think he's got another level too. Would love to see him in the playoffs one day .........

...as does Burke
- Barx

that he does.

Hartnell took less money because he wanted to stay with the Flyers. He got six years, a NMC and long term security with a Cup contender. In exchange, he took less money. If Hartnell wanted, he could have become a UFA in the future and easily got 5.5 million or more. That's the range Lupul will most likely be in if he has another decent season.
- Two_For_Truth

yup, exactly as I said on the previous page...

yes. Though, he had the advantage of knowing Leafs could not possibly afford to let him go - he's the only true #2 C in the organization, never mind the lack of a #1C.
- Big_Lightnin

I know you and I did ...I meant As_I_See_It.

Lupul has to feel good going into this season about putting up some points and playing well. If he does ....what's he worth on the open market next summer?

There's risk to both sides in waiting.

or trade for an "elite" goaltender?
- Big_Lightnin

Yes, I would take that option... cause right now I am scratching my head over our goaltending situation...

WE WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS with our current goalies...

yup, exactly as I said on the previous page...
- Big_Lightnin

Now we're on the same page.

You might be right about a trade being the outcome .....but Lupul is a UFA next summer so he's in control of where he lands ...unless you mean he'd have any concern whatsoever about having to spend 1 lock-out shortened season somewhere.

It's a risk for both right now. Leave him unsigned this season and pay out the ass if you decide to keep him next summer (see Grabo).
- The Law

I can't see the league missing an entire season.

Burke will try to get Joff signed to a reasonable contract, who's knows they could be talking now? If a they can't get it done, Lupul will be more than likely be dealt at the deadline.

No way he walks for nothing.

I know you and I did ...I meant As_I_See_It.

Lupul has to feel good going into this season about putting up some points and playing well. If he does ....what's he worth on the open market next summer?

There's risk to both sides in waiting.
- The Law

drastic changes to the CBA not withstanding...he'll get ~$6M. I don't see it going crazy because the injury history is still there, but a lot of teams need players who can score. Lupul's always been at worst a solid 2nd line scoring winger good for 20G minimum and more likely closer to 30G if he plays a full season.

Lot of teams need that. At the moment there's a deep UFA pool next year (compared to recent years anyway) but he'll be up there.

I can't see the league missing an entire season.

Burke will try to get Joff signed to a reasonable contract, who's knows they could be talking now? If a they can't get it done, Lupul will be more than likely be dealt at the deadline.

No way he walks for nothing.
- As_I_See_It

I'd imagine Burke would want to see that he repeats. Assuming the season starts on time, I would think he'd go to December, and do the deal during his "trade freeze."

but given the chance for a lost season, Lupul might be pushing for it actually, which could help.

drastic changes to the CBA not withstanding...he'll get $6M. I don't see it going crazy because the injury history is still there, but a lot of teams need players who can score. Lupul's always been at worst a solid 2nd line scoring winger good for 20G minimum and more likely closer to 30G if he plays a full season.

Lot of teams need that. At the moment there's a deep UFA pool next year (compared to recent years anyway) but he'll be up there.
- Big_Lightnin

Yup ...I think that's the range. If BB can get Lupul done with anything similar to Grabo's contract then frankly he'd be insane not to. Unless of course he feels like he's going to hit a home run next summer and is saving those dollars for some bigger fish (ducks).

So any truth to the rumours that Getzlaf and Perry also support BB's position on shorter contracts?

I'm guessing they both get signed before the new CBA kicks in ....but if they don't, and the new CBA limits the length of term they can sign, I have to believe they might hold some resentment towards the Ducks for not getting it done now.

Damn it!

Edit: At least you know how I feel about Lupul making $7M!

Depending on how the CBA shakes out, I'm not sold that Kessel with make $7M just yet.
- As_I_See_It

ya... given that we don't know what the "new market" is, I'm just going by old Market.

If Kessel goes PPG again next year, he'll be looking for a considerable raise - not stupid money I don't think, but he'll want to be paid like a top end player. For me the minimum there is $6.5M, and that's probably very wishful thinking. Anything under $8M is in the ballpark at the moment.

Yup ...I think that's the range. If BB can get Lupul done with anything similar to Grabo's contract then frankly he'd be insane not to. Unless of course he feels like he's going to hit a home run next summer and is saving those dollars for some bigger fish (ducks).

So any truth to the rumours that Getzlaf and Perry also support BB's position on shorter contracts?

I'm guessing they both get signed before the new CBA kicks in ....but if they don't, and the new CBA limits the length of term they can sign, I have to believe they might hold some resentment towards the Ducks for not getting it done now.
- The Law

haven't heard that. I'm just pretty sure there is no way Anaheim can afford to give them a Parise deal, and they'd be stupid to sign any contract that wasn't like that before the new CBA comes in.

honestly not a bad idea to wait, cause they don't know what will happen and how those deals might get restructured.

No matter what, those 2 will make a ton of money next summer, so why handcuff themselves? they can wait and find the best way to maximize money under the new CBA...

EDIT: not to mention, Getzlaf's had 2 declining years - he needs to have a "contract year" to increase his value again.