Wait hold on marketing department...traditional orange and blue was typically backed by a traditionally great team...oh yeah that was decades ago...so I guess the traditional orange and blue is what we'll have to look forward to this year...woopee

oh yeah... Sather is guy every other GM aspires to be like... Sather's best job for the Rangers as a GM is still when he worked for the Oilers and traded the Rags... Messier, Graves, Bukeboom, tikanen, etc. His famous quote of "If I had the Rangers payroll I would win a cup every year." is still haunting him... how many years has he been there GM? 12+? How many cups? tougher to win without Great one I guess.
- niteislander

Sather did not trade Graves to the Rangers. Look it up.

Sather won a Cup with Edmonton sans the Great one in 1990.

Sather won 4 Cups as a coach AND a general manager.

Sather won 5 cups as a general manager.

Thats as many cups as a coach as Al Arbour.

Thats more Cups as a general manager than Bill Torrey.

Sather was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1997.

If Larry Brooks is a tool Rangers fan you are close to the equivalent on the Islander side.

oh yeah... Sather is guy every other GM aspires to be like... Sather's best job for the Rangers as a GM is still when he worked for the Oilers and traded the Rags... Messier, Graves, Bukeboom, tikanen, etc. His famous quote of "If I had the Rangers payroll I would win a cup every year." is still haunting him... how many years has he been there GM? 12+? How many cups? tougher to win without Great one I guess.
- niteislander

As an Islander fan I can see where the hatred for both Larry Brooks and Glen Sather comes from..........I was that guy for many years. However, neither of us have a leg to stand on in this one. Sure Brooks has written some stupid stuff, but he's also written some great stuff. He's chirped Torts more than anyone. SO much so that Torterella didnt wanna be interviewed by him. As for Glen Sather, I dont see how you can argue that he's done a bad job. Not every singing or trade is gonna be a cup winner. But, that said, the guys made moves, year in and year out. He's targeted players and brought them in. At the time, when he signed Drury and Gomez, the ENTIRE LEAGUE thought they were excellent moves. Obviously they turned out sucking but phuck me, he raped Montreal in the Gomez deal, and has since done an above average job in molding his team. I cannot blame a GM for bringing in a name player year after year..........i can admit it, the Rangers organization is clearly better run than the isles.

Larry's such a homer. And a blowhard. Never misses a chance to kick the Isles. If he had an ounce of journalism in his blood, he would have reported Lubo's car crash along with hearing announcement. He's too busy daydreaming of Matteau, Mess, Richter and Graves.
- jmo16

He probably didn't address the Visnovsky thing because he probably understands that Visnovsky is likely not going to skate a shift with the Islanders. I have a hunch (and its a hunch, I've never seen Visnovsky's contract or the CBA regarding the waiving of no-trade clauses) that his NTC didn't simply expire because he didn't block a trade from EDM to ANA.

As an Islander fan I can see where the hatred for both Larry Brooks and Glen Sather comes from..........I was that guy for many years. However, neither of us have a leg to stand on in this one. Sure Brooks has written some stupid stuff, but he's also written some great stuff. He's chirped Torts more than anyone. SO much so that Torterella didnt wanna be interviewed by him. As for Glen Sather, I dont see how you can argue that he's done a bad job. Not every singing or trade is gonna be a cup winner. But, that said, the guys made moves, year in and year out. He's targeted players and brought them in. At the time, when he signed Drury and Gomez, the ENTIRE LEAGUE thought they were excellent moves. Obviously they turned out sucking but phuck me, he raped Montreal in the Gomez deal, and has since done an above average job in molding his team. I cannot blame a GM for bringing in a name player year after year..........i can admit it, the Rangers organization is clearly better run than the isles.
- kindlyrick

Once money was removed from the equasion and Sather had to actually build a team, he has been lights out. Sure, he missed on Redden, Gomez and Drury, but thats about all he's missed on since the lockout and he turned his awful Gomez mistake into McDonough and Higgins. An argument can be made that the Rangers have a better core of prospects than the Isles do, and that's with the Isles picking near the top of the draft every year the past five summers and the Rangers in the bottom third of the rounds. There is no dispute that the Rangers are far better run than the Isles are.

As an Islander fan I can see where the hatred for both Larry Brooks and Glen Sather comes from..........I was that guy for many years. However, neither of us have a leg to stand on in this one. Sure Brooks has written some stupid stuff, but he's also written some great stuff. He's chirped Torts more than anyone. SO much so that Torterella didnt wanna be interviewed by him. As for Glen Sather, I dont see how you can argue that he's done a bad job. Not every singing or trade is gonna be a cup winner. But, that said, the guys made moves, year in and year out. He's targeted players and brought them in. At the time, when he signed Drury and Gomez, the ENTIRE LEAGUE thought they were excellent moves. Obviously they turned out sucking but phuck me, he raped Montreal in the Gomez deal, and has since done an above average job in molding his team. I cannot blame a GM for bringing in a name player year after year..........i can admit it, the Rangers organization is clearly better run than the isles.
- kindlyrick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gw5zKBmicE

Theres def no love affair between torterella and brooks

Once money was removed from the equasion and Sather had to actually build a team, he has been lights out. Sure, he missed on Redden, Gomez and Drury, but thats about all he's missed on since the lockout and he turned his awful Gomez mistake into McDonough and Higgins. An argument can be made that the Rangers have a better core of prospects than the Isles do, and that's with the Isles picking near the top of the draft every year the past five summers and the Rangers in the bottom third of the rounds. There is no dispute that the Rangers are far better run than the Isles are.
- Jethro09

Back in the day the rivalry was real, and it was because both teams were competative. That changed the year the isles faced the Rangers in the playoffs in 1994. The Rangers were so dominent it was embaressing. They SMOKED the isles in the first two games and in the third the golden gopher Ray Ferraro finally scored for the isles and jumped around like he won the cup. Since that year, the isles have not had a team to truly compete. Sure you can use money as an excuse, but the facts are the facts. The rivalry used to be relevent. It used to be something i'd get amped up for. Now im discusted in my own barn seeing all the filthy Ranger fan chanting Potvin sucks. Its a shame..

He probably didn't address the Visnovsky thing because he probably understands that Visnovsky is likely not going to skate a shift with the Islanders. I have a hunch (and its a hunch, I've never seen Visnovsky's contract or the CBA regarding the waiving of no-trade clauses) that his NTC didn't simply expire because he didn't block a trade from EDM to ANA.
- Jethro09

Not that anyone has an answer to this, but im curious as to why it takes till september 4th, to actually go to arbitration? One would think this should be resolved as soon as possible. This trade went down on June 22nd (or 23rd). Should it take almost 3 months to have an arbitrator make a decision? Whats going on here? Am I wrong?

Sucks to be him!

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

Really?

As an Islander fan I can see where the hatred for both Larry Brooks and Glen Sather comes from..........I was that guy for many years. However, neither of us have a leg to stand on in this one. Sure Brooks has written some stupid stuff, but he's also written some great stuff. He's chirped Torts more than anyone. SO much so that Torterella didnt wanna be interviewed by him. As for Glen Sather, I dont see how you can argue that he's done a bad job. Not every singing or trade is gonna be a cup winner. But, that said, the guys made moves, year in and year out. He's targeted players and brought them in. At the time, when he signed Drury and Gomez, the ENTIRE LEAGUE thought they were excellent moves. Obviously they turned out sucking but phuck me, he raped Montreal in the Gomez deal, and has since done an above average job in molding his team. I cannot blame a GM for bringing in a name player year after year..........i can admit it, the Rangers organization is clearly better run than the isles.
- kindlyrick

WOW!!!! bold statement

As an Islander fan I can see where the hatred for both Larry Brooks and Glen Sather comes from..........I was that guy for many years. However, neither of us have a leg to stand on in this one. Sure Brooks has written some stupid stuff, but he's also written some great stuff. He's chirped Torts more than anyone. SO much so that Torterella didnt wanna be interviewed by him. As for Glen Sather, I dont see how you can argue that he's done a bad job. Not every singing or trade is gonna be a cup winner. But, that said, the guys made moves, year in and year out. He's targeted players and brought them in. At the time, when he signed Drury and Gomez, the ENTIRE LEAGUE thought they were excellent moves. Obviously they turned out sucking but phuck me, he raped Montreal in the Gomez deal, and has since done an above average job in molding his team. I cannot blame a GM for bringing in a name player year after year..........i can admit it, the Rangers organization is clearly better run than the isles.
- kindlyrick

How can anyone say any different? You would have to be blind, completely oblivious, stupid, or all of the above OR any combination of.

WOW!!!! bold statement
- LetsGoIsles

Which statement are you referring to? Which part of my post was not accurate, that you'd disagree? Not that it has any bearing, but im curious as to your age, if you'd be so kind..

if viznosky doesnt mind playing for the isles, then why is he going thru this arbitration.

He was the single biggest pick up we made this offseason. If he wants satan on the team, sign satan to cheap one year deal.

Which statement are you referring to? Which part of my post was not accurate, that you'd disagree? Not that it has any bearing, but im curious as to your age, if you'd be so kind..
- kindlyrick

the same statement that Cptmjl was referring to (the statement thats in bold)

and 27...you?

the same statement that Cptmjl was referring to (the statement thats in bold)

and 27...you?
- LetsGoIsles

Can you make any argument that the Rangers GM has done a poor job as of this very moment? I dont wanna hear the names of Drury, Gomez, or Redden, cause we can easily replace them with Gaborik, Nash, and Richards.


Im 36.......the reason I asked was because i was curious when you started liking the isles. Like who was on the team...

if viznosky doesnt mind playing for the isles, then why is he going thru this arbitration.

He was the single biggest pick up we made this offseason. If he wants satan on the team, sign satan to cheap one year deal.
- Spartiarti

Because he doesnt want to play on the isles, hence he filed a grievance. I've said this previously, but if he was traded from Anaheim to either the Penguins or the Wings (even the Rangers), i'd bet anything he reports, and doesnt file that grievance.

the same statement that Cptmjl was referring to (the statement thats in bold)

and 27...you?
- LetsGoIsles

Not familiar with this "bold" system..........did you do that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gw5zKBmicE

Theres def no love affair between torterella and brooks
- kindlyrick

We all know that. I'm not saying he's drunk on ranger kool-aid all the time but Rangers have had their fair share of dumb moves, bad player choices, mediocre draft prospects and horrible contracts/signings that rarely gives them crap for. Torts doesn't like Larry because he asks stupid questions. It all goes back to him asking Torts, down 2 or 3 games in a playoff if he felt "their backs were against the wall."

Redden, Drury and Gomez were never worth the $$$ they were given.
Gaborik, Richards & Nash will be the next greatest contract busts for them. In terms of cost vs. return. Like the late 80's early 90's yankees. Larry does point the microscope towards the rags but he rarely focuses in very far.

Not familiar with this "bold" system..........did you do that?
- kindlyrick

yes, i did....and i was being sarcastic...i dont think ANYONE would disagree that the rangers are run SIGNIFICANTLY better than the islanders are...i was just teasing. i cant imagine anyone would argue it the other way.

We all know that. I'm not saying he's drunk on ranger kool-aid all the time but Rangers have had their fair share of dumb moves, bad player choices, mediocre draft prospects and horrible contracts/signings that rarely gives them crap for. Torts doesn't like Larry because he asks stupid questions. It all goes back to him asking Torts, down 2 or 3 games in a playoff if he felt "their backs were against the wall."

Redden, Drury and Gomez were never worth the $$$ they were given.
Gaborik, Richards & Nash will be the next greatest contract busts for them. In terms of cost vs. return. Like the late 80's early 90's yankees. Larry does point the microscope towards the rags but he rarely focuses in very far.
- jmo16

Gaborik Richards and Nash are going to win the stanley cup for the NY Rangers. The one weakness last year was a lefty shot on the right side of the PP. Nash fills that void, and we all know special teams wins games........watch and see!

Gaborik Richards and Nash are going to win the stanley cup for the NY Rangers. The one weakness last year was a lefty shot on the right side of the PP. Nash fills that void, and we all know special teams wins games........watch and see!
- kindlyrick

The rangers couldn't score more than 3 goals per game in the playoffs. That was their weakness. One left wing does not cure all of that. But wait....there's more!

Gaborik is a china doll. Pretty to watch but extremely fragile. Coming off the shoulder surgery, he will have a very sub-par season, point-wise, if & when there is a season.
Richards 69 points last season WITH Gabby on his line most of the time is an indicator of his scoring ability on the decline. Good thing Slats locked him up thru the next decade! (can't wait for Larry Brooks to defend that awesome deal)
Nash hasn't proven much in Columbus. 59 points last year and a -19. Oh, yeah....he's the answer. (@$7.8Mil, that's $132,000 per point - what a VALUE!)

Prust & Dubi's departure makes the rags less tough. Asham on the 3rd/4th line won't be able to stick up for too many players or contribute much in the scoring department.

Lundqvist, the king of nothing except good hair cannot carry this team for another entire season. Neither can their defense expect to throw bodies in front of pucks forever without someone suffering a major injury.

So, I don't see how they have improved enough to reach the finals. I'd be shocked if they didn't make playoffs but to say they are a serious contender is a reach - like Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar grabbing a rebound four rows out of bounds kinda reach.
But just in case I'm wrong, be sure to tweet a photo of yourself at the parade.

The rangers couldn't score more than 3 goals per game in the playoffs. That was their weakness. One left wing does not cure all of that. But wait....there's more!

Gaborik is a china doll. Pretty to watch but extremely fragile. Coming off the shoulder surgery, he will have a very sub-par season, point-wise, if & when there is a season.
Richards 69 points last season WITH Gabby on his line most of the time is an indicator of his scoring ability on the decline. Good thing Slats locked him up thru the next decade! (can't wait for Larry Brooks to defend that awesome deal)
Nash hasn't proven much in Columbus. 59 points last year and a -19. Oh, yeah....he's the answer. (@$7.8Mil, that's $132,000 per point - what a VALUE!)

Prust & Dubi's departure makes the rags less tough. Asham on the 3rd/4th line won't be able to stick up for too many players or contribute much in the scoring department.

Lundqvist, the king of nothing except good hair cannot carry this team for another entire season. Neither can their defense expect to throw bodies in front of pucks forever without someone suffering a major injury.

So, I don't see how they have improved enough to reach the finals. I'd be shocked if they didn't make playoffs but to say they are a serious contender is a reach - like Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar grabbing a rebound four rows out of bounds kinda reach.
But just in case I'm wrong, be sure to tweet a photo of yourself at the parade.
- jmo16

Dude, believe me, I want to go along with your opinion...but I just can't. The Rangers are scary good.

I'll be spending all season hoping you're right, but I don't see it happening.

The rangers couldn't score more than 3 goals per game in the playoffs. That was their weakness. One left wing does not cure all of that. But wait....there's more!

Gaborik is a china doll. Pretty to watch but extremely fragile. Coming off the shoulder surgery, he will have a very sub-par season, point-wise, if & when there is a season.
Richards 69 points last season WITH Gabby on his line most of the time is an indicator of his scoring ability on the decline. Good thing Slats locked him up thru the next decade! (can't wait for Larry Brooks to defend that awesome deal)
Nash hasn't proven much in Columbus. 59 points last year and a -19. Oh, yeah....he's the answer. (@$7.8Mil, that's $132,000 per point - what a VALUE!)

Prust & Dubi's departure makes the rags less tough. Asham on the 3rd/4th line won't be able to stick up for too many players or contribute much in the scoring department.

Lundqvist, the king of nothing except good hair cannot carry this team for another entire season. Neither can their defense expect to throw bodies in front of pucks forever without someone suffering a major injury.

So, I don't see how they have improved enough to reach the finals. I'd be shocked if they didn't make playoffs but to say they are a serious contender is a reach - like Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar grabbing a rebound four rows out of bounds kinda reach.
But just in case I'm wrong, be sure to tweet a photo of yourself at the parade.
- jmo16

Dude are you serious??? Pts per game vs dollar amounts? Rick Nash was wasting away on a nothing team in columbus. He could score 40-50 goals on the Rangers. If you think im a fan of the Rangers, you're dead wrong. I just call it how i see it.

Dude, believe me, I want to go along with your opinion...but I just can't. The Rangers are scary good.

I'll be spending all season hoping you're right, but I don't see it happening.
- NYIDRIVE4FIVE

It's never easy flying in the face of popular opinion. Out here in the perimeter it's easier to see the big picture. I think they surprised alot of people last year. Themselves included. I'm hoping our team will be the surprise team of the Atlantic.

Hopefully, we have reason to continue this discussion after Sept 15th.

Dude are you serious??? Pts per game vs dollar amounts? Rick Nash was wasting away on a nothing team in columbus. He could score 40-50 goals on the Rangers. If you think im a fan of the Rangers, you're dead wrong. I just call it how i see it.
- kindlyrick

First, my point of points vs. $$$ was in reference to Larry Brooks always painting a rosy red picture of the rangers and how everything he says about the Isles is 100% spot-on and deserved. In short, the rangers spend like drunken sailors and don't get called out on it. Those 3 players are overpaid and overvalued. JT & Moulson will outscore the top two ranger point leaders next year. Their combined salaries is about the same of either Gabo, Nash or Richards' individual salary. Can we agree on that?


Second, opinions are always welcomed.
Unfortunately, I don't share the same one with you. But that's what gives us something to talk about.

40-50 goals for Nash? How do you see that? That's absurd.
He is not the "go-to guy" on this team. He will also be competing for the puck between two other very talented forwards.

Goaltending in the Atlantic is as good as it gets. So, scoring in this division will not be any easier.
Last, he only had 40 goals once. His best season '08-'09. He's been on a steady point decline since. It's not like Martin Straka getting put on a line with Jagr & Lemieux.