your dumping too much salary on us, we need to give some back
- MindFr3eak

Thus why my proposal of Bozak, Ashton and a 2nd works for Lu and Raymond works.

Sub Franson for Bozak, a 3rd for the 2nd, add Lombardi, and remove Raymond.

Lou

for

Franson, Lombardi, 3rd

If that doesn't work - I say suck it.

no ufa, whether getzlaf or any other centre is signing with the Leafs when the scrivens/reimer combo is in net.
so, it could potentially help acquire a #1 centre by having a legitimate number one.
- Barx

I agree with this, when we had, Cujo, Belfour we had much more star power signing with us.

I'm not claiming either will get a decent return. The poster claimed that no teams would take them, which is absolute BS.

Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league.

Raymond at 2.16 is a good pickup for any team. In the right situation he could put up 20g again, and even if he doesn't, he's still a great pker and defensive forward.
- Fosco

Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne, Smith, Howard, Kippur, Price, Halak, Lethonen, Schneider, Ward, Miller and Thomas all goalies who I would take over Luongo for next year if I was a GM. Not top 5

Raymond makes 2.275 not 2.16

Thus why my proposal of Bozak, Ashton and a 2nd works for Lu and Raymond works.

Sub Franson for Bozak, a 3rd for the 2nd, add Lombardi, and remove Raymond.

Lou

for

Franson, Lombardi, 3rd

If that doesn't work - I say suck it.
- Bodhisattva

This works for me,good thing also.....I wanted a meal not a snack anyways

Thus why my proposal of Bozak, Ashton and a 2nd works for Lu and Raymond works.

Sub Franson for Bozak, a 3rd for the 2nd, add Lombardi, and remove Raymond.

Lou

for

Franson, Lombardi, 3rd

If that doesn't work - I say suck it.
- Bodhisattva

much more realistic and likely what the final deal will look like, unless Vancouver continues to ask for more, in which case they'll get more, but have to take back a crappy contract.

I'm no lawyer Ian, But I think this scenario is illegal under the current CBA. No way the NHL would allow this type of tampering ( and it is tampering, or Cap circumvention or what ever they may deem it) and I doubt the NHLPA would approve either.

Komi is under contract with Toronto and he and his agent are not allowed to have discussions like this with another team. Period.
- Iggysbff

If the Leafs allowed it, of course they can.

Thus why my proposal of Bozak, Ashton and a 2nd works for Lu and Raymond works.

Sub Franson for Bozak, a 3rd for the 2nd, add Lombardi, and remove Raymond.

Lou

for

Franson, Lombardi, 3rd

If that doesn't work - I say suck it.
- Bodhisattva

With Kesler out for a bit I think van needs a guy who can somewhat fill in at 2nd line till he returns. Thus Bozak would be needed

much more realistic and likely what the final deal will look like, unless Vancouver continues to ask for more, in which case they'll get more, but have to take back a crappy contract.
- Isles_since_6

And it's not like Lombardi is signed long term - it's one more year. And, given the rest of the summer, and that it's a contract year for him, he could actually rebound. If not, no harm - he's off the books after one season.

Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne, Smith, Howard, Kippur, Price, Halak, Lethonen, Schneider, Ward, Miller and Thomas all goalies who I would take over Luongo for next year if I was a GM. Not top 5

Raymond makes 2.275 not 2.16
- Habsforever101

I agree with you for everyone except those in bold.

Do you think he just magically came up with 2.21? Get your facts straight before you try and trash talk a member of our fan base.

Why would gllis take komi at all(unless its for under a mill) the rest of the deal makes sense. I think leafs keep komi. Its not like they need the cap space. I have been saying Lu for Bozak, Ashton and gunner or Franson for 2 months. Tor gets an all star elite net minder and Vancouver plugs some holes. Sub the conditional pick for Gunner or Franson and it still works
- Bieksa#3

I would do, Bozak Ashton, and Franson

Simply because Gunner stablizes Dion.

Franson IMO is better skill wise but Toronto refuses to use him for some idiotic reason.

Quick, Lundqvist, Rinne, Smith, Howard, Kippur, Price, Halak, Lethonen, Schneider, Ward, Miller and Thomas all goalies who I would take over Luongo for next year if I was a GM. Not top 5

Raymond makes 2.275 not 2.16
- Habsforever101

you forgot Rask and Hiller

I would do, Bozak Ashton, and Franson

Simply because Gunner stablizes Dion.

Franson IMO is better skill wise but Toronto refuses to use him for some idiotic reason.
- wolfos412

Percy instead of Franson.

Leafs can't afford to trade a Roster d-man. Only have 6 who've actually played in the NHL.

I'm telling you that.

Who do you think makes the playoffs if the Canucks keep Luongo and the Leafs keep Reimer and Scrivens... Leafs or Canucks?
- Scooby_Doo

Question is scoobs, are you 100% sure YOU make the playoffs without Luongo....

See what i did there.....

I agree with you for everyone except those in bold.

Do you think he just magically came up with 2.21? Get your facts straight before you try and trash talk a member of our fan base.
- Scooby_Doo

You would pick Lu over Rinne?

If Dozzer can't make dinner and drinks, you are next on my invite list.
- Atomic Wedgie

I doubt it ends ant dinner and drinks.....Infact I can think of another "D" word it DOES end with!!!!!!!

you forgot Rask and Hiller
- Big_Lightnin

Hiller pre-vertago.

I would do, Bozak Ashton, and Franson

Simply because Gunner stablizes Dion.

Franson IMO is better skill wise but Toronto refuses to use him for some idiotic reason.
- wolfos412

Franson IMO is a wildcard. He has the skill to be a top 4, but he may not have the will. He is terrible in his own end and doesn't use his size.
I am a huge Gunnersson fan. He will never be amazing but he is solid. Sami Salo without the canon and less fragile

Toronto needs a starting goalie about as much as Vancouver has to move Luongo.
- Morris

Seriously thou, make a (frank)ing deal or send him to florida for whatever!!

Percy instead of Franson.

Leafs can't afford to trade a Roster d-man. Only have 6 who've actually played in the NHL.
- Big_Lightnin

Agreed

Percy instead of Franson.

Leafs can't afford to trade a Roster d-man. Only have 6 who've actually played in the NHL.
- Big_Lightnin

Phaneuf - Gunn
Liles - Gardiner
Komi - Franson?

With Kesler out for a bit I think van needs a guy who can somewhat fill in at 2nd line till he returns. Thus Bozak would be needed
- Bieksa#3

Bieksa#3:

I know you were for this deal:

To TOR: Luongo, Raymond

To VAN: Bozak, Ashton, conditional 1st (19th overall to 30th overall OR 31st overall to 48th overall + 2014 4th)

If Bozak was needed for a replacement for Kesler would you do this instead:

To TOR: Luongo

To VAN: Lombardi, Ashton, conditional 1st

Everyone wins in this deal, Bozak and Raymond have similar value so they cancel nicely, Lombardi is thrown in to potentially even out any loss of return Bozak/Raymond may have had and Vancouver still gets a filler centerman while not losing Raymond at all.

Heck if they would prefer Connolly as a stop gap for Kesler we can switch the conditional 1st for a 2nd.

luongo's value as a goalie has plummeted and the vancouver media/canucks management hasn't done anything to help either.

it's painfully obvious - the guy is old and was signed to a STUPID deal - everybody knows this - the luongo situation is a byproduct of his own mediocre play and a terrible management plan that completely lacked foresight. burke and company are driving this bus, not the vancouver management team. to believe otherwise is insane.

the hypocrisy and the contradictions are crazy - an old, mediocre goalie with a bizarre contract who was betrayed by his own team when it mattered most (and justifiably so - because he's mediocre) all of a sudden has the value of a king's ransom...

vancouver isn't doing toronto any favours by ditching this geezer on them... it's the other way around... and that should be reflected in any kind "trade", for lack of a better word... in my mind vancouver would be lucky if toronto took this geezer for nothing!!!

Franson IMO is a wildcard. He has the skill to be a top 4, but he may not have the will. He is terrible in his own end and doesn't use his size.
- Bieksa#3

He is not terrible in his own end, there was an article proving that, I can't find it but it used Corsi and all that. It showed Toronto was a much better team when he was on the ice rather than off.

Edit: He has also spent the entire summer with a power skating coach.

Your getting a elite goalie for depth players. You guys have the cap space this season anyway. If you want, throw in Connolly but u can't take any of the other players out
- Bieksa#3

I'm surely alright with that proposal, franson for Luongo, (frank) it....done deal!!

I'm not claiming either will get a decent return. The poster claimed that no teams would take them, which is absolute BS.

Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league.

Raymond at 2.16 is a good pickup for any team. In the right situation he could put up 20g again, and even if he doesn't, he's still a great pker and defensive forward.
- Fosco

So you have 2 of the top 5 goalies in the league?