exactly my point and one that canuck fans seem to be completely missing. There's a very very limited market for him, no competition to drive up the asking price and it comes with a 10 year colostomy bag that your team gets to carry around. Blake Comeau has similar stats to Raymond and just took a pay cut to about half of what Raymond is making.

Half the time when reading these Canuck trade proposals it sounds like the laughable stuff you'd see on Craigslist under the barter section.
- Isles_since_6

If Dozzer can't make dinner and drinks, you are next on my invite list.

Burke needs to make the playoffs this year or he's toast.
- Scooby_Doo

Burke should be handing toNonis shortly anyways, he won't wreck the team to keep his job, Burke is all about Image and he won't destroy the team to try and make the playoffs, his image is much more important to him, he has set the team to pass it along.

I'm sure a decent number of teams would take him if the asking price wasn't so high. Doesn't mean teams wouldn't take him if they could get him without giving up anything significant.
- Fosco

Like who?

You wanna maybe grab dinner and a few drinks, and then come back to my condo to watch a movie?
- Atomic Wedgie

ok... but this time you arent allowed to dictate what i wear

I hope there is more truth to this post then the last one you made on this thread
- Bieksa#3

saying Lu is a top 5 goalie is a bit of a stretch...

Vancouver doesn't have to move Luongo... Toronto DOES need a starting goalie.

Ian, I request no more Leafs in your headlines please, it seems to bring out the... well you know. Can we get a code name for the Leafs, so we are the only ones who know what you are talking about. I've come up with a few code names for you to consider.

Kansas City Royals
New York Islanders
Barney
Ellen Degeneres
Kimmie Gibler
- Scooby_Doo

Toronto needs a starting goalie about as much as Vancouver has to move Luongo.

Honestly your offer is a joke. If that's the best Vancouver can do, they should put him on waivers and let clb ghave him. That way they have cap space now. At least put thought into your trolling please
- Bieksa#3

or you could realize that he has a NMC and you cant put him on waivers... face it... you guys have a 10 year long pile of chicken poop that your throwing on lettuce and saying its chicken salad... If luongo was as "top tiered" of a goalie as you guys keep pawning him off to be then you wouldnt be replacing him with schnieder in the first place

nothing but dreaming going on ... Leafs pay Komi 1.7 million not to play and take on 7oungo's 5.33? Wow ... creative is really a stretch there ... Burke would be run outta town the day that would happen... Leafs are not giving up a 1st rounder .. at least not their own first rounder. Forget about it would ya
- LeafsfaninBC

Yeah, If it came down to it man, trade Mac for a low 1st and ship that off to Vancouver...then throw in something else small and you have a deal. make it a 2014 1st you aquire for Mac is all.

Top 5 goalie? What world are you living in? Lu is on the decline and is only getting worse, at best he's now a top 10 goalie with a good cap hit until he turns 37 and is a top 20 goalie with a bad cap hit with 6 years still left on the contract.

Raymond scored 25 goals once and had 10 goals last year. His average is more like 15 goals which isn't terrible for the 2.275 (don't know where you got 2.16??) but he doesn't have much value as most organizations have young guys that they rather give a chance to with the same upside as raymond.

Basically no1 wants to pay to get those guys but they will take them off your hands, Vancouver has got to stop overvaluing their players.
- Habsforever101

I'm not claiming either will get a decent return. The poster claimed that no teams would take them, which is absolute BS.

Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league.

Raymond at 2.16 is a good pickup for any team. In the right situation he could put up 20g again, and even if he doesn't, he's still a great pker and defensive forward.

Like who?
- Atomic Wedgie

CLB, Edmonton, Caps

Jersey next year

Toronto needs a starting goalie about as much as Vancouver has to move Luongo.
- Morris

They do, but not one with a 10-year commitment.

I'm not claiming either will get a decent return. The poster claimed that no teams would take them, which is absolute BS.

Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league.

Raymond at 2.16 is a good pickup for any team. In the right situation he could put up 20g again, and even if he doesn't, he's still a great pker and defensive forward.
- Fosco

No, he really isn't.

If Dozzer can't make dinner and drinks, you are next on my invite list.
- Atomic Wedgie

does seem like he might be easy to "close the deal" with.

nope Minors isn't a trade it's an organizational move.

NMC is control of staying in NHL
NTC is control of where you go.

you can have an NMC and not NTC too - Komi's NTC is he supplies a list of I believe 10 teams he "won't go to" (might be other way around), but he also has an NMC. So Burke can trade him with little constriction, but he can never be sent to the minors.

Luongo likely wasn't able to get the NMC due to the # of years. They wanted flexibility at the end of the contract.
- Big_Lightnin

Any moron taking a large contract should have at minimum the first half of the contract negotiated with everything included.....not very smart for Lou IMO.

I'm not claiming either will get a decent return. The poster claimed that no teams would take them, which is absolute BS.

Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league.

Raymond at 2.16 is a good pickup for any team. In the right situation he could put up 20g again, and even if he doesn't, he's still a great pker and defensive forward.
- Fosco

I'd say we have no need for Raymond whatsoever. I'd rather exclude him, and leave another piece out of the deal - like Bozak.

Or, we could forget this f***ing trade altogether. That would be my preference.

or you could realize that he has a NMC and you cant put him on waivers... face it... you guys have a 10 year long pile of chicken poop that your throwing on lettuce and saying its chicken salad... If luongo was as "top tiered" of a goalie as you guys keep pawning him off to be then you wouldnt be replacing him with schnieder in the first place
- DarcyTucker16

Please check your facts troll he has a ntc not nmc. He has no protection from waivers.

I'm not claiming either will get a decent return. The poster claimed that no teams would take them, which is absolute BS.

Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league.

Raymond at 2.16 is a good pickup for any team. In the right situation he could put up 20g again, and even if he doesn't, he's still a great pker and defensive forward.
- Fosco

It's 100% about the reported asking price. It's not at all that they're terrible players.

Thus why my proposal of Bozak, Ashton and a 2nd works for Lu and Raymond works.
- Bieksa#3

your dumping too much salary on us, we need to give some back

I believe there is another window for buyouts coming before the season starts.
- IanEsplen

There are currently two buyout periods:

a) The later of June 15 or 48 hours after conclusion of Stanley Cup Finals through June 30th; and:
b) 48 hours after Club's last salary arbitration award or settlement.

There may or may not be a buy-out period included as part of the new CBA (ala 2005) but that is not guaranteed. Low-revenue teams may not be keen on helping high-revnue teams (who would be making the buyouts) fix their mistakes, unless there is significantly better revenue sharing.

Besides, why would the deal you propose rely on Vancouver agreeing to sign Komisarek? Komisarek doesn't need to agree to being bought out, so if TO were to do so Vancouver would only need to sign Komisarek if they wanted to, not as part of some pre-arranged deal.

Vancouver doesn't have to move Luongo... Toronto DOES need a starting goalie.

Ian, I request no more Leafs in your headlines please, it seems to bring out the... well you know. Can we get a code name for the Leafs, so we are the only ones who know what you are talking about. I've come up with a few code names for you to consider.

Kansas City Royals
New York Islanders
Barney
Ellen Degeneres
Kimmie Gibler
- Scooby_Doo

This is funny. Why does Toronto need a goalie more than Gillis has to NOT have a $5.3M goalie sitting on the bench?

Vancouver fans: Luongo has so much value - he's a top-5 goalie in the league!!
Rest of League: The value created by his abilities are more than offset by his ridiculous contract. You'll be lucky to get much of value in return.

your dumping too much salary on us, we need to give some back
- MindFr3eak

Your getting a elite goalie for depth players. You guys have the cap space this season anyway. If you want, throw in Connolly but u can't take any of the other players out

Any moron taking a large contract should have at minimum the first half of the contract negotiated with everything included.....not very smart for Lou IMO.
- MindFr3eak

Only reason he got the large contract is cause the NMC wasn't in there.

Apparently Gillis isn't JFJ just bending over and saying "just wipe up when you're done please.. or I can do it"

Only reason he got the large contract is cause the NMC wasn't in there.

Apparently Gillis isn't JFJ just bending over and saying "just wipe up when you're done please.. or I can do it"
- Big_Lightnin

Yup, no team wants a top 5 goalie signed to a good cap hit

And Raymond, a defensively responsible forward, with the ability to score 25 goals, signed at 2.16 million for a season, is a bad contract
- Fosco

Why do you want to get rid of him then?? all-star goalie and a reliable defenceman with a great cap hit......you make it sound like they are amazing but but want us to take them in any trade scenario.

Why not just flip Schneider for much more and keep the proven all-star for 6 more years>?

I'm not claiming either will get a decent return. The poster claimed that no teams would take them, which is absolute BS.

Luongo is a top 5 goalie in the league.



Raymond at 2.16 is a good pickup for any team. In the right situation he could put up 20g again, and even if he doesn't, he's still a great pker and defensive forward.
- Fosco

then keep them both...