Oh dear.

If you waive him and send him down, the team that picks him up pays 100%.

If you waive him, he clears, and then you bring him back up, and a team claims him, you are on the hook for 50%.
- Atomic Wedgie

there, 1 burn for each laughy face... and something tells me he's not out of the fire yet. I'm putting the over/under on corrections as 8

Kinda rude of you to write what I was writing before I wrote it, Big Lightnin'.

But whatever....
- Atomic Wedgie

that'll teach you to be old and slow

this is proof that toronto isnt the only fanbase who overvalues their players

raymond scored 25 two seasons ago and has taken two more seasons to match it..

so over the past three seasons his average is only 16.3 goals.. as for defensively responsible.. he is only +12 over the course of that time.. with the =/- being 0 in his biggest offensive output season.

luongo's cap hit is not reasonable.. its 5mill plus.. for ten years.. longer if he fades and a team is forced to buy him out.

also.. luongo has only made the playoffs in vancouver.. he could never carry the panthers to the post season so why do you think he can thrive on a team that isnt loaded with talent? truth is, there is nothing to prove he can. 5 post seasons in a 12 year career and the last once he was surplanted in.
- Dozzer

It's also all about bargaining position.

Vancouver has to move him. Anyone who denies this is deluded.

Toronto had to move McCabe. McCabe was actually a very good player - he went on to be named captain of the Panthers.

But for various reasons (I'm looking at you, media and stupid fans) he had to be moved.

And we ended up getting jack for him.

That's just the way the world works.

It's also all about bargaining position.

Vancouver has to move him. Anyone who denies this is deluded.

Toronto had to move McCabe. McCabe was actually a very good player - he went on to be named captain of the Panthers.

But for various reasons (I'm looking at you, media and stupid fans) he had to be moved.

And we ended up getting jack for him.

That's just the way the world works.
- Atomic Wedgie

i dont disagree with anything you said.

this is proof that toronto isnt the only fanbase who overvalues their players

raymond scored 25 two seasons ago and has taken two more seasons to match it..

so over the past three seasons his average is only 16.3 goals.. as for defensively responsible.. he is only +12 over the course of that time.. with the =/- being 0 in his biggest offensive output season.

luongo's cap hit is not reasonable.. its 5mill plus.. for ten years.. longer if he fades and a team is forced to buy him out.

also.. luongo has only made the playoffs in vancouver.. he could never carry the panthers to the post season so why do you think he can thrive on a team that isnt loaded with talent? truth is, there is nothing to prove he can. 5 post seasons in a 12 year career and the last once he was surplanted in.
- Dozzer

look if all your here to do is troll then be on your way

It's also all about bargaining position.

Vancouver has to move him. Anyone who denies this is deluded.

Toronto had to move McCabe. McCabe was actually a very good player - he went on to be named captain of the Panthers.

But for various reasons (I'm looking at you, media and stupid fans) he had to be moved.

And we ended up getting Mike for him.

That's just the way the world works.
- Atomic Wedgie

*fixed

and agreed

It's also all about bargaining position.

Vancouver has to move him. Anyone who denies this is deluded.

Toronto had to move McCabe. McCabe was actually a very good player - he went on to be named captain of the Panthers.

But for various reasons (I'm looking at you, media and stupid fans) he had to be moved.

And we ended up getting jack for him.

That's just the way the world works.
- Atomic Wedgie

Its a bit different. McCabe had a nmc not no trade. And Van Ryn was a decent player when healthy

Yup, no team wants a top 5 goalie signed to a good cap hit

And Raymond, a defensively responsible forward, with the ability to score 25 goals, signed at 2.16 million for a season, is a bad contract
- Fosco

Top 5 goalie? What world are you living in? Lu is on the decline and is only getting worse, at best he's now a top 10 goalie with a good cap hit until he turns 37 and is a top 20 goalie with a bad cap hit with 6 years still left on the contract.

Raymond scored 25 goals once and had 10 goals last year. His average is more like 15 goals which isn't terrible for the 2.275 (don't know where you got 2.16??) but he doesn't have much value as most organizations have young guys that they rather give a chance to with the same upside as raymond.

Basically no1 wants to pay to get those guys but they will take them off your hands, Vancouver has got to stop overvaluing their players.

i dont disagree with anything you said.
- Dozzer

You wanna maybe grab dinner and a few drinks, and then come back to my condo to watch a movie?

It's also all about bargaining position.

Vancouver has to move him. Anyone who denies this is deluded.

Toronto had to move McCabe. McCabe was actually a very good player - he went on to be named captain of the Panthers.

But for various reasons (I'm looking at you, media and stupid fans) he had to be moved.

And we ended up getting jack for him.

That's just the way the world works.
- Atomic Wedgie

Vancouver doesn't have to move Luongo... Toronto DOES need a starting goalie.

Ian, I request no more Leafs in your headlines please, it seems to bring out the... well you know. Can we get a code name for the Leafs, so we are the only ones who know what you are talking about. I've come up with a few code names for you to consider.

Kansas City Royals
New York Islanders
Barney
Ellen Degeneres
Kimmie Gibler

You wanna maybe grab dinner and a few drinks, and then come back to my condo to watch a movie?
- Atomic Wedgie

So Vancouver gets rid of their huge Luongo contract and they get Komisarek. Except that instead of being overpaid he will be signed to a cap friendly contract.

Toronto gets Luongo's contract and still needs to pay Komisarek for a few years

I wonder how come Burke hasn't already done this. Probably because it doesn't make any sense.
- wardancr

lol so true, stupid idea for the leafs

how's your goalie controversy treating you?
- Scooby_Doo

C-mon scoobs we don't have a controversy, our goalies sucks, no controversy at all....lol

Vancouver doesn't have to move Luongo... Toronto DOES need a starting goalie.

Ian, I request no more Leafs in your headlines please, it seems to bring out the... well you know. Can we get a code name for the Leafs, so we are the only ones who know what you are talking about. I've come up with a few code names for you to consider.

Kansas City Royals
New York Islanders
Barney
Ellen Degeneres
Kimmie Gibler
- Scooby_Doo

Here we go

Its a bit different. McCabe had a nmc not no trade. And Van Ryn was a decent player when healthy
- Bieksa#3

And Chernobyl was a safe nuclear plant when it was functioning properly.

Van Ryn was damaged goods when he was offloaded on the Leafs.

Its a bit different. McCabe had a nmc not no trade. And Van Ryn was a decent player when healthy
- Bieksa#3

It's all well and good to say Gillis can "theoretically" send Luongo to the minors, but it absolutely won't happen. It isn't an option. He is still an asset, all beit a diminishing one that Gillis MUST move before camp starts.

There will be a trade, and odds are neither fan base is going to like it very much.

look if all your here to do is troll then be on your way

- Bieksa#3

man i just equivocate stuff like this to leaf fans who think that komi could get a good return from a team looking to reach the cap floor

Top 5 goalie? What world are you living in? Lu is on the decline and is only getting worse, at best he's now a top 10 goalie with a good cap hit until he turns 37 and is a top 20 goalie with a bad cap hit with 6 years still left on the contract.

Raymond scored 25 goals once and had 10 goals last year. His average is more like 15 goals which isn't terrible for the 2.275 (don't know where you got 2.16??) but he doesn't have much value as most organizations have young guys that they rather give a chance to with the same upside as raymond.

Basically no1 wants to pay to get those guys but they will take them off your hands, Vancouver has got to stop overvaluing their players.
- Habsforever101

I hope there is more truth to this post then the last one you made on this thread

Vancouver doesn't have to move Luongo... Toronto DOES need a starting goalie.

Ian, I request no more Leafs in your headlines please, it seems to bring out the... well you know. Can we get a code name for the Leafs, so we are the only ones who know what you are talking about. I've come up with a few code names for you to consider.

Kansas City Royals
New York Islanders
Barney
Ellen Degeneres
Kimmie Gibler
- Scooby_Doo

Keep telling yourself that, Scoobs.

Keep telling yourself that.

So which teams do want him, then?
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm sure a decent number of teams would take him if the asking price wasn't so high. Doesn't mean teams wouldn't take him if they could get him without giving up anything significant.

It's also all about bargaining position.

Vancouver has to move him. Anyone who denies this is deluded.

Toronto had to move McCabe. McCabe was actually a very good player - he went on to be named captain of the Panthers.

But for various reasons (I'm looking at you, media and stupid fans) he had to be moved.

And we ended up getting jack for him.

That's just the way the world works.
- Atomic Wedgie

exactly my point and one that canuck fans seem to be completely missing. There's a very very limited market for him, no competition to drive up the asking price and it comes with a 10 year colostomy bag that your team gets to carry around. Blake Comeau has similar stats to Raymond and just took a pay cut to about half of what Raymond is making.

Half the time when reading these Canuck trade proposals it sounds like the laughable stuff you'd see on Craigslist under the barter section.

You wanna maybe grab dinner and a few drinks, and then come back to my condo to watch a movie?
- Atomic Wedgie

have a little place on the side for "meetings" do ya?

nice

How do Canucks fans go from "he's worth a ton, he's a number 1 goalie" to "we'll just loan him to sweden or bury him in the ahl"

he's either worth something or he's not. If you're looking at burying him in the AHL clearly you're thinking he's not worth his contract and by that thinking, with a limited number of teams who would even consider taking on that contract there's even less value to him. It's like saying that Wade Redden was worth something in a trade, until the Rangers realized that his contract was garbage and had to bury him in the ahl because no one wanted him.

In order to move Luongo out, you will not get the value for him you're looking for, which means taking back a bad contract or less value in trade. Reality strikes Canucks fans, but it hasn't hit Gillis yet.
- Isles_since_6

Makes no difference, he won't be buried in the minors or loaned to Sweden lol...eventually he will go to tor/fla for what Gillis thinks is his best deal.

It's all well and good to say Gillis can "theoretically" send Luongo to the minors, but it absolutely won't happen. It isn't an option. He is still an asset, all beit a diminishing one that Gillis MUST move before camp starts.

There will be a trade, and odds are neither fan base is going to like it very much.
- Big_Lightnin

Oh I agree. But as I have stated offers like Komi and a 3rd are laughable when you consider the waivers option. Bozak, Ashton and 2nd/Franson/Percy is fair

Keep telling yourself that, Scoobs.

Keep telling yourself that.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm telling you that.

Who do you think makes the playoffs if the Canucks keep Luongo and the Leafs keep Reimer and Scrivens... Leafs or Canucks?