The problem with Gillis is the 1st round pick.


He's trying to dump his now backup goalie with a 10 (more like 6) year contract for a player and a first round pick


Why would Toronto,Columbus or Florida...All teams that are rebuilding give up their most important asset for a 33 year old stop-gap goaltender.


I'm okay with acquiring Luongo, we know he is the best option at improving the position, but as Burke says "at a reasonable price." Theres no way in hell a 1st round pick is involved in any deal for Luongo
- t_leafs21

Yes.

If he has a ntc then a throw to the minors can't happen either can it because they are effectively trading him for nothing as a loophole.

What's the point in ntc without a nmc with it?
- MindFr3eak

A player with a ntc can be sent to the minors or claimed of waivers. But they can block an actual trade.

Can't do it
- Bieksa#3

thus the reason 7oungo isn't going to TOR ... Leafs can't give anything good cause we are rebuilding and as of now Gillis wants SOMETHING in return ...

they were talking if there is a season. Leafs aren't likely a lottery team. They just barely caught lottery last year with one of the worst stretches in history... unlikely to happen again.
- Big_Lightnin

Yes, because we added McClemment.

And swapped Schenn for JVR.

That's got to be good for another 20 points in the standings, right?

If he has a ntc then a throw to the minors can't happen either can it because they are effectively trading him for nothing as a loophole.

What's the point in ntc without a nmc with it?
- MindFr3eak

nope Minors isn't a trade it's an organizational move.

NMC is control of staying in NHL
NTC is control of where you go.

you can have an NMC and not NTC too - Komi's NTC is he supplies a list of I believe 10 teams he "won't go to" (might be other way around), but he also has an NMC. So Burke can trade him with little constriction, but he can never be sent to the minors.

Luongo likely wasn't able to get the NMC due to the # of years. They wanted flexibility at the end of the contract.

I highly doubt players like Redden, Finger, etc believe that. Their contracts were stupid but they are still NHL players. I know the NHLPA was pissed about this happening.
- jsam7

They were upset for sure. But as a whole it helps them. There may be a few players get the poopty end of the stick but ultimately it helps increase the value of contracts.

Yes, because we added McClemment.

And swapped Schenn for JVR.

That's got to be good for another 20 points in the standings, right?
- Atomic Wedgie

um, 1 point would have done it. 4 pts gets them out of the bottom 10. I don't think it's a stretch to say improved defensive play and PK under Carlyle (we're hoping) will make up 2-3 wins, if not 5+

nope Minors isn't a trade it's an organizational move.

NMC is control of staying in NHL
NTC is control of where you go.

you can have an NMC and not NTC too - Komi's NTC is he supplies a list of I believe 10 teams he "won't go to" (might be other way around), but he also has an NMC. So Burke can trade him with little constriction, but he can never be sent to the minors.

Luongo likely wasn't able to get the NMC due to the # of years. They wanted flexibility at the end of the contract.
- Big_Lightnin

Which is something that Leafs fans need to consider.

Burying Lou with the Marlies for the last four years of his contract would be $7 million, with no cap hit.

For those of you keeping score, that's exactly what they did with Finger. Only that was over two years, not four.

thus the reason 7oungo isn't going to TOR ... Leafs can't give anything good cause we are rebuilding and as of now Gillis wants SOMETHING in return ...
- LeafsfaninBC

Thus why my proposal of Bozak, Ashton and a 2nd works for Lu and Raymond works.

I highly doubt players like Redden, Finger, etc believe that. Their contracts were stupid but they are still NHL players. I know the NHLPA was pissed about this happening.
- jsam7

the guys who got to play in the NHL as a result loved it though, and Finger/Redden etc still made huge cash. Benefits more players.

Which is something that Leafs fans need to consider.

Burying Lou with the Marlies for the last four years of his contract would be $7 million, with no cap hit.

For those of you keeping score, that's exactly what they did with Finger. Only that was over two years, not four.
- Atomic Wedgie

And Lou would retire to save face. Its a Max 6 yr deal.

um, 1 point would have done it. 4 pts gets them out of the bottom 10. I don't think it's a stretch to say improved defensive play and PK under Carlyle (we're hoping) will make up 2-3 wins, if not 5+
- Big_Lightnin

At that point, aren't we better off being a lottery pick?

jesus christ Ian. Don't you think by now if Ballard or Raymond had any kind of value at all that the Canucks would have moved them just to get rid of the contracts?

It's beyond laughable that you continue to include them in trade offers as though other teams wanted them.

Luongo's contract is terrible. No team wants to take it on and deal with the last 5-6 years when he's declining. Yet somehow you think you can get value back AND add in another crappy contract as well? What dream world are you living in?
- Isles_since_6

Yup, no team wants a top 5 goalie signed to a good cap hit

And Raymond, a defensively responsible forward, with the ability to score 25 goals, signed at 2.16 million for a season, is a bad contract

Which is something that Leafs fans need to consider.

Burying Lou with the Marlies for the last four years of his contract would be $7 million, with no cap hit.

For those of you keeping score, that's exactly what they did with Finger. Only that was over two years, not four.
- Atomic Wedgie

yuo, but moot anyway, he'll retire the 2nd that salary drops to $3.3M. The only reason those 4 years are even on the contract is to lower the cap hit.

At that point, aren't we better off being a lottery pick?
- Atomic Wedgie

probably, but doesn't mean they will be. I really don't see them being that close to the lottery. They really shouldn't have been last year.

Its a 10 year deal.... pass
- senstroll

What's 10 years between friends>>??? LOLZ

Yup, no team wants a top 5 goalie signed to a good cap hit

And Raymond, a defensively responsible forward, with the ability to score 25 goals, signed at 2.16 million for a season, is a bad contract
- Fosco

So which teams do want him, then?

Yup, no team wants a top 5 goalie signed to a good cap hit

And Raymond, a defensively responsible forward, with the ability to score 25 goals, signed at 2.16 million for a season, is a bad contract
- Fosco

ok now you're just being silly.

As I said if they can't do better then your offer we can waive him. Then we are done with it.
- Bieksa#3

Actually if someone claims him you have to pay for half his contract over his whole contract. Big talker but have little knowledge of how the NHL works. I'm sure teams would love for the canucks to waive him so they can pay him half of what he makes, makes the contract much more reasonable.

Luongo does not help the leafs acquire the #1 Center they need... this is our opportunity to get that draft pick we need to get one.

Pass
- senstroll

no ufa, whether getzlaf or any other centre is signing with the Leafs when the scrivens/reimer combo is in net.
so, it could potentially help acquire a #1 centre by having a legitimate number one.

Actually if someone claims him you have to pay for half his contract over his whole contract. Big talker but have little knowledge of how the NHL works. I'm sure teams would love for the canucks to waive him so they can pay him half of what he makes, makes the contract much more reasonable.
- Habsforever101

another person who knows (frank) all. You pay half on re entry waivers. Not waivers. Please know the rules before calling out a poster. Makes you look like a clown

Actually if someone claims him you have to pay for half his contract over his whole contract. Big talker but have little knowledge of how the NHL works. I'm sure teams would love for the canucks to waive him so they can pay him half of what he makes, makes the contract much more reasonable.
- Habsforever101

actually, false.

If they waived him, every team gets a shot at him on the way down, and CLB would absolutely take him. Hell I think the Leafs would take him for FREE. So would Edmonton.

Paying half is only on Re-entry waivers, if he clears the first time. There is no way he would make it through the 1st round of waivers.

Actually if someone claims him you have to pay for half his contract over his whole contract. Big talker but have little knowledge of how the NHL works. I'm sure teams would love for the canucks to waive him so they can pay him half of what he makes, makes the contract much more reasonable.
- Habsforever101

Oh dear.

If you waive him and send him down, the team that picks him up pays 100%.

If you waive him, he clears, and then you bring him back up, and a team claims him, you are on the hook for 50%.

actually, false.

If they waived him, every team gets a shot at him on the way down, and CLB would absolutely take him. Hell I think the Leafs would take him for FREE. So would Edmonton.

Paying half is only on Re-entry waivers, if he clears the first time. There is no way he would make it through the 1st round of waivers.
- Big_Lightnin

Kinda rude of you to write what I was writing before I wrote it, Big Lightnin'.

But whatever....

Yup, no team wants a top 5 goalie signed to a good cap hit

And Raymond, a defensively responsible forward, with the ability to score 25 goals, signed at 2.16 million for a season, is a bad contract
- Fosco

this is proof that toronto isnt the only fanbase who overvalues their players

raymond scored 25 two seasons ago and has taken two more seasons to match it..

so over the past three seasons his average is only 16.3 goals.. as for defensively responsible.. he is only +12 over the course of that time.. with the =/- being 0 in his biggest offensive output season.

luongo's cap hit is not reasonable.. its 5mill plus.. for ten years.. longer if he fades and a team is forced to buy him out.

also.. luongo has only made the playoffs in vancouver.. he could never carry the panthers to the post season so why do you think he can thrive on a team that isnt loaded with talent? truth is, there is nothing to prove he can. 5 post seasons in a 12 year career and the last once he was surplanted in.