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Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Aug 14 @ 10:42 AM ET
Agreed leafs could even throw in Percy or Finn rather then the pick, if need be
- Bieksa#3


ya that might work. Percy would be my choice to send. Then it's a known rather than an unknown too. Burke will get crucified for trading a 1st, even if it is protected...

EDIT: wait, you're still taking Connolly though
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Aug 14 @ 10:42 AM ET
Lu has a 89 rating in NHL 13. That should count for something. He is ranked in the top 7.
- Bluechip23


for a back-up? that doesn't sound right
Steven_Dean
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KL
Joined: 07.10.2012

Aug 14 @ 10:42 AM ET
let em ask you something, did you think the asking price of howson for Nash was ridiculous? If so, guess what, Luongo is the same situation, only with a worse contract.
- Isles_since_6


his worse NHL season was last year: 36 points in 70 games. Half a point a game. That is solid for someone who isn't expected to play top 6 minutes. Maybe he isn't a guaranteed top 6 forward anymore but he is a solid 2nd/3rd liner and with Kesler looking like he will miss some time Connolly is a decent band-aid with only one year left on his deal.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Aug 14 @ 10:42 AM ET
no he doesn't. Just a weird NTC. Still no way in hell Luongo is in the minors, but they could technically do it.
- Big_Lightnin

Jackets would take him
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Aug 14 @ 10:43 AM ET
Jackets would take him
- Bieksa#3


no way he waives for Columbus
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Aug 14 @ 10:44 AM ET
ya that might work. Percy would be my choice to send. Then it's a known rather than an unknown too. Burke will get crucified for trading a 1st, even if it is protected...
- Big_Lightnin

Exactly
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 14 @ 10:44 AM ET
please check your facts before spouting off. He has a no trade. He can be waived
- Bieksa#3


wait, a goalie that is so valuable he's worth 3-4 assets from the Leafs, but the Canucks would waive him if they can't get that? You make awesome sense.
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Aug 14 @ 10:45 AM ET
no way he waives for Columbus
- Big_Lightnin

I'm suggesting if he was waived clb would claim him.
Steven_Dean
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: KL
Joined: 07.10.2012

Aug 14 @ 10:45 AM ET
ya that might work. Percy would be my choice to send. Then it's a known rather than an unknown too. Burke will get crucified for trading a 1st, even if it is protected...
- Big_Lightnin


disagree about the 1st, no one would care if we sent a 2nd rounder even if it is top 10 hell a 2nd and a 3rd is perfectly fine so a bottom 10 1st rounder isn't that much of a difference. Top 20 protect the pick and there is no issue, hell Percy is a former 25th overall much closer to the NHL then a bottom 10 pick next year.
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Aug 14 @ 10:45 AM ET
I'm suggesting if he was waived clb would claim him.
- Bieksa#3


gotcha...
malcohol
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.15.2011

Aug 14 @ 10:46 AM ET
if this is truly the best we can do on Sept 15, and we have a season.... we have to trade Cory....
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 14 @ 10:46 AM ET
Leafs would of course do it...but doubt Vancouver would. Connolly is pure garbage.
- Juice


Disagree

lu's contract is much to ridiculous to even consider, Connolly has 1 year left
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Aug 14 @ 10:47 AM ET
disagree about the 1st, no one would care if we sent a 2nd rounder even if it is top 10 hell a 2nd and a 3rd is perfectly fine so a bottom 10 1st rounder isn't that much of a difference. Top 20 protect the pick and there is no issue, hell Percy is a former 25th overall much closer to the NHL then a bottom 10 pick next year.
- Steven_Dean


I meant in the media. And sure he would. Papers would just rake him for it - "Has he learned nothing from the Kessel deal."

Idiots don't know a damn thing - will talk about all these late picks that turned into Hall of Famers... blah blah blah.

Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Aug 14 @ 10:48 AM ET
Ian I am sure Gillis is not in his office thinking what bad contract he could take back would hurt the least.

If things ever did become desperate Gillis could trade for a 7 th rounder to CBJ or Fla . We are no where near that. You also forget if Gillis wanted to clear salary he has a very good friend and former client who is GM of Modo in Sweden that would love to have the loan of a number 1 goalie.

I realize dog days of summer but you deserve a kick in the nuts for suggesting Komi at 3 mil for 4 years.

- VANTEL


You really think Lou would agree to go to Sweden?

He does have a NTC...
Greg7705
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 10.26.2011

Aug 14 @ 10:49 AM ET
he's got a no movement clause. No waiving for you.
- Isles_since_6


Wrong. NTC
jsam7
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.27.2010

Aug 14 @ 10:50 AM ET
At this point, I am hoping for a lockout. That way I don't have to read another thread of what Luongo is worth. It is always the same people arguing back and forth. Hahaha give it up!
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Aug 14 @ 10:50 AM ET
Disagree

lu's contract is much to ridiculous to even consider, Connolly has 1 year left

- senstroll


for negotiations purposes, yes, but in reality, it's really not. 6 yrs at $5.33 cap hit. No way he plays once his money drops to $3.3M, then below $2M.

it's a 6 yr contract. Hell if he doesn't retire the buyour is like $400K a year...

Viktory
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 08.12.2011

Aug 14 @ 10:51 AM ET
if this is truly the best we can do on Sept 15, and we have a season.... we have to trade Cory....
- malcohol


You want a First, a Prospect, and a good Roster player you trade Schneider and hope Lack develops well (He very well could too).

Schneider + Something of minimal value

First Rounder (14-21) + Mid Level Prospect (Potential Top 9 Foward, 3-5 Potential Defensman, 1B Goalie etc) + Roster Player (A physical Role Player with Offensive Upside, A Physical Sturdy Shutdown Defender with Grit)

For Schneider And Something (Future Considerations perhaps)
Big_Lightnin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pain is coming
Joined: 08.12.2010

Aug 14 @ 10:51 AM ET
You really think Lou would agree to go to Sweden?

He does have a NTC...

- Iggysbff


NTC wouldn't have any bearing on loaning a player though

that would be hilarious
Bieksa#3
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.21.2009

Aug 14 @ 10:52 AM ET
wait, a goalie that is so valuable he's worth 3-4 assets from the Leafs, but the Canucks would waive him if they can't get that? You make awesome sense.
- Isles_since_6

If van has to take your laughable offer of Lu, tanev and a 3rd for komi, bozak and a 2nd then yes they might as well wave him. I'm suggesting waivers is a better option then that pathetic offer. Okie dokie?
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Aug 14 @ 10:53 AM ET
Ian Esplen: Getting Creative with Lu and T.O.
Getting Creative with Lu and T.O.

- IanEsplen


I'm no lawyer Ian, But I think this scenario is illegal under the current CBA. No way the NHL would allow this type of tampering ( and it is tampering, or Cap circumvention or what ever they may deem it) and I doubt the NHLPA would approve either.

Komi is under contract with Toronto and he and his agent are not allowed to have discussions like this with another team. Period.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Aug 14 @ 10:54 AM ET
NTC wouldn't have any bearing on loaning a player though

that would be hilarious

- Big_Lightnin


He would still have to agree to it...he has an NHL contract.
Bluechip23
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.22.2012

Aug 14 @ 10:54 AM ET
You want a First, a Prospect, and a good Roster player you trade Schneider and hope Lack develops well (He very well could too).

Schneider + Something of minimal value

First Rounder (14-21) + Mid Level Prospect (Potential Top 9 Foward, 3-5 Potential Defensman, 1B Goalie etc) + Roster Player (A physical Role Player with Offensive Upside, A Physical Sturdy Shutdown Defender with Grit)

For Schneider And Something (Future Considerations perhaps)

- Viktory


For schneider the canucks could get any of the young talent in Edmonton and probably more. Elite young goalies are the biggest commodity especially when signed to a low cap hit. I still can't believe schneider signed for so little.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 14 @ 10:55 AM ET
for negotiations purposes, yes, but in reality, it's really not. 6 yrs at $5.33 cap hit. No way he plays once his money drops to $3.3M, then below $2M.

it's a 6 yr contract. Hell if he doesn't retire the buyour is like $400K a year...

- Big_Lightnin



Its a 10 year deal.... pass


Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 14 @ 10:55 AM ET
This is more fun than the Anson Carter sweepstakes.


I predict several bans today.
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