Not exactly fair to Leafs fans. Many don't want Luongo because (in their opinion) he isn't the man, and cementing him as the #1 for the next 6 years causes problems, and blocks the way for our stable of young (unproven) goalies.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the idea that Luongo is absolutely the right thing to do for the Leafs is an opinion, not a fact.


I'm all in favour of a deal that brings a #1 centre to the Leafs, but sending a rookie to take the opening face-off at the ACC to start the season is akin to murder.


Because Luongo has gone on the radio and announced that it is time to move on.

And I get this is the point that Canucks fans and probably the rest of the league won't agree on - but from my perspective, this is Bryan McCabe II.

You aren't going to get "fair value" for him, whatever that means.

You are going to cut your losses, and move on.

Luckily, this will all be over - in six to forty-four weeks.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm not expecting fair value. Based on his career stats, he sould be worth a whole hell of lot. I am expecting something more then no value, which is what most Leaf fans are offering.

Great stuff!
- bloatedmosquito

2 drunk to fihhure this out man...funny or right?

But then you run into we don't need him. I think the Black hawks are the best bet.
- Crazycaboose

Hawks can (frank) off, They won a cup they can rit in hell for all i care...next

But then you run into we don't need him. I think the Black hawks are the best bet.
- Crazycaboose

Fine, the hawks have a lot of assets that could make this trade interesting.

That could be their solution, but it doesn't seem to be an ideal solution. On the positive side, you've good two very good goalies over 82 games. On the negative side, you're playing them less than each should get and paying them more than is commensurate to their # of starts. The whole thing depends on whether both care more about being starting goalies, or being members of the Vancouver Canucks. I can only guess as to what each of their mindsets are, but it's not unreasonable to consider the potential that this sours one or both of them, which has a tangible effect on the team dynamic.

It could work out really well though.
- Morris

Me thibks schneider signed during all theLuongo trade hoopla figuring Luongo would be gone and he would get his chance to shine. hard for me to see him there at the end of preseason muchlike nash.

Me thibks schneider signed during all theLuongo trade hoopla figuring Luongo would be gone and he would get his chance to shine. hard for me to see him there at the end of preseason muchlike nash.
- MindFr3eak

Maybe Schneider is the one that ends up being traded.

That could be their solution, but it doesn't seem to be an ideal solution. On the positive side, you've good two very good goalies over 82 games. On the negative side, you're playing them less than each should get and paying them more than is commensurate to their # of starts. The whole thing depends on whether both care more about being starting goalies, or being members of the Vancouver Canucks. I can only guess as to what each of their mindsets are, but it's not unreasonable to consider the potential that this sours one or both of them, which has a tangible effect on the team dynamic.

It could work out really well though.
- Morris

The money is a non-factor. It's not being spent anywhere else so what's the big deal? The Canucks ownership have said they want to spend to the cap. There are other teams that have 2 goalies both making top 30 money. Every other position in hockey people say, "You can never have enough depth at (Centre, Defense etc). Why is goaltending different? For some reason everyone assumes that teams need to have one starting goalie and then a crappy back up otherwise it will blow up. Look at the last 2 Cup winning teams. Both had 2 very good goalies. It worked out well for them. Yes, there is potential that it blows up, but that can be said for any situation.

Hawks can (frank) off, They won a cup they can rit on hell for all i care...next
- MindFr3eak

That's the only place they are going to get fair value. Honestly idk why we being the leafs into this anymore nucks don't want anyone on the team that they will move so why even bring them into the equation.

Maybe Schneider is the one that ends up being traded.
- fiveandagame

Futurewise, it could garner you some good future players you don't currently have and hold together you goaltending for the next 5 years.....nothing wrong with that.

1 good season fromluongo and fans will turn rether quickly and Luongo will ber a favourite again.

Sorry, I don't speak mong. Could you repeat in English?
- bloatedmosquito

time for bed obv....longshift tonight at work.

No sarcasm.

Luongo won't sit, you're right. The Canucks have demonstrated that they give both their goalies more starts than teams that have one good goalie and one crappy back up. This is where a lot of fans from other teams can't see past their hate for the Canucks. They all see having 2 great goalies as a problem instead of a good thing just because they like to rag on anything Canucks. One goalie gets roughly 50 starts the other gets roughly 30 starts. Nobody is riding the pine for an extended period of time.
- hankthetank

the only problem with this argument is that from what i have heard and read.. they both want to be the guy who starts 50 games

think the nucks would entertain a 41 / 41 split?

Not exactly fair to Leafs fans. Many don't want Luongo because (in their opinion) he isn't the man, and cementing him as the #1 for the next 6 years causes problems, and blocks the way for our stable of young (unproven) goalies.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the idea that Luongo is absolutely the right thing to do for the Leafs is an opinion, not a fact.
- Atomic Wedgie

That was a bit of hyperbole, only playing around. Just that for a fan to spend so much time in another team's blog arguing is like elementary school kids pretending not to like each other...

I'm all in favour of a deal that brings a #1 centre to the Leafs, but sending a rookie to take the opening face-off at the ACC to start the season is akin to murder.
- Atomic Wedgie

Again, this was just a way of tweaking a deal that addresses a team's needs, not "the answer". Maybe Schroeder will be a solid NHL player, maybe he's a career AHL'er, who knows. From the sounds of it JVR is going to get a chance to be the #1 C next year. I'm just suggesting that there are other ways to find a middle ground, and perhaps adding the right prospect on Vancouver's side would be enough.

Because Luongo has gone on the radio and announced that it is time to move on.

And I get this is the point that Canucks fans and probably the rest of the league won't agree on - but from my perspective, this is Bryan McCabe II.

You aren't going to get "fair value" for him, whatever that means.

You are going to cut your losses, and move on.

Luckily, this will all be over - in six to forty-four weeks.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't subscribe to the whole "fair value" thing, I'm only looking at it from the perspective of does whatever Gillis receives in return address a need? If not, then it is not worth it. I never liked the 12 year deal to begin with, but I get that Gillis was 1 year away from Luongo, at the time a top 3 goalie in the league, becoming an UFA. Vancouver can afford to make him among the highest paid players in the league, and the way they did it was to stretch the length of the contract out to well beyond the anticipated "retire on date" so that the cap hit was modest enough to ice a Stanley Cup contending team, which it was/is. Let's be honest here, whether Lu still has 2 years or 10 years left, Gillis is in the same position, having to trade the most talented goal tender this team has ever had because they guy that he has been mentoring has started to outperform him. The only difference is that some other teams would be more interested if there were only 2 years left.

Fine, the hawks have a lot of assets that could make this trade interesting.
- fiveandagame

Is giullis willing to do this? all-star players traded inter conference is a seldom event.

Futurewise, it could garner you some good future players you don't currently have and hold together you goaltending for the next 5 years.....nothing wrong with that.

1 good season fromluongo and fans will turn rether quickly and Luongo will ber a favourite again.
- MindFr3eak

I have said from day one that I have no problem trading Schneider. Luongo is good enough to win and Schnieder could bring in assets to fill holes in other areas to make the team better.

the only problem with this argument is that from what i have heard and read.. they both want to be the guy who starts 50 games

think the nucks would entertain a 41 / 41 split?
- Dozzer

There's a lot of teams with this "problem." Of course both goalies want to play. Both goalies want to play all 82 games. Just like every player wants to play 30+ minutes a night. The problem would be if one of them DIDN'T want to play every game.

Is giullis willing to do this? all-star players traded inter conference is a seldom event.
- MindFr3eak

completely depends on the return. If the return makes the team better then he should pull the trigger regardless of who the team is.

That was a bit of hyperbole, only playing around. Just that for a fan to spend so much time in another team's blog arguing is like elementary school kids pretending not to like each other...




Again, this was just a way of tweaking a deal that addresses a team's needs, not "the answer". Maybe Schroeder will be a solid NHL player, maybe he's a career AHL'er, who knows. From the sounds of it JVR is going to get a chance to be the #1 C next year. I'm just suggesting that there are other ways to find a middle ground, and perhaps adding the right prospect on Vancouver's side would be enough.



I don't subscribe to the whole "fair value" thing, I'm only looking at it from the perspective of does whatever Gillis receives in return address a need? If not, then it is not worth it. I never liked the 12 year deal to begin with, but I get that Gillis was 1 year away from Luongo, at the time a top 3 goalie in the league, becoming an UFA. Vancouver can afford to make him among the highest paid players in the league, and the way they did it was to stretch the length of the contract out to well beyond the anticipated "retire on date" so that the cap hit was modest enough to ice a Stanley Cup contending team, which it was/is. Let's be honest here, whether Lu still has 2 years or 10 years left, Gillis is in the same position, having to trade the most talented goal tender this team has ever had because they guy that he has been mentoring has started to outperform him. The only difference is that some other teams would be more interested if there were only 2 years left.
- 1970vintage

I pretty much agree with everything here, which obviously leads us to a dead end.

Wanna know what I hate about Canucks fans?

You liked Bure more than Linden.

I never forgave you for that.

There's a lot of teams with this "problem." Of course both goalies want to play. Both goalies want to play all 82 games. Just like every player wants to play 30+ minutes a night. The problem would be if one of them DIDN'T want to play every game.
- hankthetank

Trevor Kidd disagrees.

There's a lot of teams with this "problem." Of course both goalies want to play. Both goalies want to play all 82 games. Just like every player wants to play 30+ minutes a night. The problem would be if one of them DIDN'T want to play every game.
- hankthetank

agreed

but that doesnt address my question at all.

basically i am asking if you think there would be discontent if they split the games 50/50?

to me.. the answer is no.. they're professional athletes and know how to be part of a team. if one does show a whiny attitude.. then you know which one to ship out of town

Is giullis willing to do this? all-star players traded inter conference is a seldom event.
- MindFr3eak

Bos - Tor multiple times. Not that seldom.

Edit - Lots of inner-divisional trades in your group...

I pretty much agree with everything here, which obviously leads us to a dead end.

Wanna know what I hate about Canucks fans?

You liked Bure more than Linden.

I never forgave you for that.
- Atomic Wedgie

I LOVED Bure, but I would have had Linden's children!

agreed

but that doesnt address my question at all.

basically i am asking if you think there would be discontent if they split the games 50/50?

to me.. the answer is no.. they're professional athletes and know how to be part of a team. if one does show a whiny attitude.. then you know which one to ship out of town
- Dozzer

What would probably happen is one of them would say they want to play more, the media would run with it and twist it into saying one of them demanded to play more or else, and then we would all be right back in this same position we are now.

The money is a non-factor. It's not being spent anywhere else so what's the big deal? The Canucks ownership have said they want to spend to the cap. There are other teams that have 2 goalies both making top 30 money. Every other position in hockey people say, "You can never have enough depth at (Centre, Defense etc). Why is goaltending different? For some reason everyone assumes that teams need to have one starting goalie and then a crappy back up otherwise it will blow up. Look at the last 2 Cup winning teams. Both had 2 very good goalies. It worked out well for them. Yes, there is potential that it blows up, but that can be said for any situation.
- hankthetank

Well, I suppose we'll agree to disagree. Given their stature among NHL goalies, and the fact that Luongo asked for a trade, and the fact that Schneider is reportedly supplanting Luongo as a starter, I see it as having a comparatively higher potential to blow up.

agreed

but that doesnt address my question at all.

basically i am asking if you think there would be discontent if they split the games 50/50?

to me.. the answer is no.. they're professional athletes and know how to be part of a team. if one does show a whiny attitude.. then you know which one to ship out of town
- Dozzer

I truly believe that if both were to start the season in Vancouver, that the expectation would be to split the starts, but that eventually, AV would go with the guy that earns more starts.

I pretty much agree with everything here, which obviously leads us to a dead end.

Wanna know what I hate about Canucks fans?

You liked Bure more than Linden.

I never forgave you for that.
- Atomic Wedgie

Not all of us did.