Luongo won't sit to the trade deadline, get real the guy has an ego like ed belfour, it isnt his fault the canucks (frank)ed him in the playoffs.

Luongo=red bull with wings= get me the (frank) outa here
- MindFr3eak

He won't be traded for Komi and 3rd either. Where is the middle ground?

Luongo won't sit to the trade deadline, get real the guy has an ego like ed belfour, it isnt his fault the canucks (frank)ed him in the playoffs.

Luongo=red bull with wings= get me the (frank) outa here
- MindFr3eak

Luongo won't sit, you're right. The Canucks have demonstrated that they give both their goalies more starts than teams that have one good goalie and one crappy back up. This is where a lot of fans from other teams can't see past their hate for the Canucks. They all see having 2 great goalies as a problem instead of a good thing just because they like to rag on anything Canucks. One goalie gets roughly 50 starts the other gets roughly 30 starts. Nobody is riding the pine for an extended period of time.

Looks like I'm late to the party, you gotta give us a heads up about these Leafs blogs Ian!


Seriously though, maybe we HB posters can come to a consensus agreement on a Luongo-Toronto trade and fax it over the Gillis and Burke.
- Nucker101

Prob be easier to kill each others wives and cover it up than agree to a trade proposal both teams would be happy with.

Looks like I'm late to the party, you gotta give us a heads up about these Leafs blogs Ian!


Seriously though, maybe we HB posters can come to a consensus agreement on a Luongo-Toronto trade and fax it over the Gillis and Burke.
- Nucker101

The ultimate hit generator.

Why is everyone so concerned about the Canucks starting or even going a whole year with 2 very good goalies on their roster?
- hankthetank

Why was everyone so concerned about Rick Nash staying with the jackets?

Luongo won't sit, you're right. The Canucks have demonstrated that they give both their goalies more starts than teams that have one good goalie and one crappy back up. This is where a lot of fans from other teams can't see past their hate for the Canucks. They all see having 2 great goalies as a problem instead of a good thing. One goalie gets roughl 50 starts the other gets roughly 30 starts. Nobody is riding the pine for an extended period of time.
- hankthetank

This post is too logical for this thread. You may move along now.

He won't be traded for Komi and 3rd either. Where is the middle ground?
- fiveandagame

I'm guessing that the Canucks would take Komi and a 1st, but the Leafs wouldn't... So I guess Komi and a 2nd is "the middle ground."

Come on VANTEL, nobody is trolling here and you know it. So quit throwing out the baseless accusations.

I really don't care how much Vancouver spends on their goalies, but can you really argue that having $5M sitting on your bench makes complete sense and is an ideal situation for the Canucks? As far as burying Luongo or shipping him over to Sweden, we both know that's horse poop and maybe YOU should stop "coming in here and talking the same BS day after day!"

Secondly, why do Vancouver fans care about Toronto's goal tending situation? Because you think the Leafs/Burke are desperate and the Canucks have the answer by way of getting a poopty contract off their hands in the process?

As for the same BS everyday, maybe you should talk to Esplen about trying to be a little more "creative" with his topic selection. This is what's placed before us, so this is generally what's going to be discussed? Get it?
- As_I_See_It

Lets get real here, it doesn't matter what Ian writes about it always ends up being about Luongo and TO vs. Van...

He won't be traded for Komi and 3rd either. Where is the middle ground?
- fiveandagame

No idea where the middle ground is or if it's even with the leafs but but Luongo on the bench will blow up in everyone's face really fast.

Not sure there is any option for Gillis but to made a deal with someone to trade Luongo before the season starts.

Questionis right now, If there is a lockout, let's say 1full year how much less is Luongo worth at that point?

I'm guessing that the Canucks would take Komi and a 1st, but the Leafs wouldn't... So I guess Komi and a 2nd is "the middle ground."
- As_I_See_It

I'm thinking Luongo to Florida is the middle ground.

No idea where the middle ground is or if it's even with the leafs but but Luongo on the bench will blow up in everyone's face really fast.

Not sure there is any option for Gillis but to made a deal with someone to trade Luongo before the season starts.

Questionis right now, If there is a lockout, let's say 1full year how much less is Luongo worth at that point?
- MindFr3eak

Did you read my last post to you?

I'm guessing that the Canucks would take Komi and a 1st, but the Leafs wouldn't... So I guess Komi and a 2nd is "the middle ground."
- As_I_See_It

I figure Franson, Ashton and a second for Luongo and a 3rd.....

No idea where the middle ground is or if it's even with the leafs but but Luongo on the bench will blow up in everyone's face really fast.

Not sure there is any option for Gillis but to made a deal with someone to trade Luongo before the season starts.

Questionis right now, If there is a lockout, let's say 1full year how much less is Luongo worth at that point?
- MindFr3eak

That could be asked of any player over 30.

I don't think any one expects the Leafs to blow up their roster for Luongo but there has to some value in return. Contract aside. Luongo is an impact player that can make a differnce.
- fiveandagame

But look at it this way anyone who is good is untouchable and everyone who is bad you don't want! TOR doesn't have anything to give up for him without making them worse.

Did you read my last post to you?
- hankthetank

8 lakeport ice deep... If it was sarcasm i could habe easily mised it...if that's the case..... sorry bro.

I figure Franson, Ashton and a second for Luongo and a 3rd.....
- MindFr3eak

Now we are getting somewhere.

8 lakeport ice deep... If it was sarcasm i could habe easily mised it...if that's the case..... sorry bro.
- MindFr3eak

No sarcasm.

Luongo won't sit, you're right. The Canucks have demonstrated that they give both their goalies more starts than teams that have one good goalie and one crappy back up. This is where a lot of fans from other teams can't see past their hate for the Canucks. They all see having 2 great goalies as a problem instead of a good thing just because they like to rag on anything Canucks. One goalie gets roughly 50 starts the other gets roughly 30 starts. Nobody is riding the pine for an extended period of time.

I figure Franson, Ashton and a second for Luongo and a 3rd.....
- MindFr3eak

Pass.

But look at it this way anyone who is good is untouchable and everyone who is bad you don't want! TOR doesn't have anything to give up for him without making them worse.
- Crazycaboose

Which is why Luongo will be taking his talents to South Beach.

Pass.
- As_I_See_It

Good, he is going to Florida then. Good luck at the draft next year.

I never said that the Leafs need Luongo, only that all the fans that pretend that they wouldn't like to see Lu in the blue and white are kidding themselves.

- 1970vintage

Not exactly fair to Leafs fans. Many don't want Luongo because (in their opinion) he isn't the man, and cementing him as the #1 for the next 6 years causes problems, and blocks the way for our stable of young (unproven) goalies.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the idea that Luongo is absolutely the right thing to do for the Leafs is an opinion, not a fact.

If I'm Gillis and I want to move Lu, and Burke really does want to upgrade at the goal position, then I find a way to make it work. The negotiations work to address each teams specific needs in a way that leaves both parties happy in the end. We currently have Sedin, Kelser, Malholtra, Lapiere as our centres, but Malholtra and Lapiere are both, seemingly, 4th line players. So addressing our third line C position is a need. Toronto needs an offensive minded centre to play with Kessel/Lupul. I wonder if Schroeder were playing between those two guys what kind of a season he could have as a rookie? Would he be an upgrade over Bozak? Who knows, but this is the type of conversations I would be having.

- 1970vintage

I'm all in favour of a deal that brings a #1 centre to the Leafs, but sending a rookie to take the opening face-off at the ACC to start the season is akin to murder.

Luongo out and Komisarek in makes this team worse, not better. D'Amigo is a decent prospect with some offensive skill, but he is likely 7th or 8th on the depth chart for LW in our system, so he would more than likely be Chicago bound. A third is potentially a solid NHL player, if unspectacular, like Hansen for Van, not bad. Basically, acquiring Luongo addresses a specific need for the Leafs, an upgrade to a key position, but nothing in your offer does anything to help the Canucks in the near future, let alone this season, why would they even consider it?
- 1970vintage

Because Luongo has gone on the radio and announced that it is time to move on.

And I get this is the point that Canucks fans and probably the rest of the league won't agree on - but from my perspective, this is Bryan McCabe II.

You aren't going to get "fair value" for him, whatever that means.

You are going to cut your losses, and move on.

Luckily, this will all be over - in six to forty-four weeks.

Which is why Luongo will be taking his talents to South Beach.
- fiveandagame

But then you run into we don't need him. I think the Black hawks are the best bet.

Burke should be handing toNonis shortly anyways, he won't wreck the team to keep his job, Burke is all about Image and he won't destroy the team to try and make the playoffs, his image is much more important to him, he has set the team to pass it along.
- MindFr3eak

Great stuff!

Pass.
- As_I_See_It

Bro, you gotta give to get man, Luongo and a trade for a #1 center is better tham anoter 5th to 7rh pick,,,were not as bad as you want us to be,

No sarcasm.

Luongo won't sit, you're right. The Canucks have demonstrated that they give both their goalies more starts than teams that have one good goalie and one crappy back up. This is where a lot of fans from other teams can't see past their hate for the Canucks. They all see having 2 great goalies as a problem instead of a good thing just because they like to rag on anything Canucks. One goalie gets roughly 50 starts the other gets roughly 30 starts. Nobody is riding the pine for an extended period of time.
- hankthetank

That could be their solution, but it doesn't seem to be an ideal solution. On the positive side, you've good two very good goalies over 82 games. On the negative side, you're playing them less than each should get and paying them more than is commensurate to their # of starts. The whole thing depends on whether both care more about being starting goalies, or being members of the Vancouver Canucks. I can only guess as to what each of their mindsets are, but it's not unreasonable to consider the potential that this sours one or both of them, which has a tangible effect on the team dynamic.

It could work out really well though.