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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 14 @ 1:46 PM ET
Luongo is better than all but Quick and Lundqvist on that list. I exclude Schneider for obvious reasons and Thomas because he's done.
- Vagabond

I'm just going to ignore the comparisons, and point out one little fact:

It's not just how Luongo is right now.

It's also how he is going to be four years from now.

And five.

And six.

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 14 @ 1:48 PM ET
Between bosak, ashton and percy u can have 2 of them and a second but that's for luongo and a 3rd.
- MindFr3eak

Here's a crazy stat for you: did you know Ashton played 15 games for the Leafs last year?

I remember he played some, but 15?

He didn't do a single thing in those 15 games.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
How do Canucks fans go from "he's worth a ton, he's a number 1 goalie" to "we'll just loan him to sweden or bury him in the ahl"

he's either worth something or he's not. If you're looking at burying him in the AHL clearly you're thinking he's not worth his contract and by that thinking, with a limited number of teams who would even consider taking on that contract there's even less value to him. It's like saying that Wade Redden was worth something in a trade, until the Rangers realized that his contract was garbage and had to bury him in the ahl because no one wanted him.

In order to move Luongo out, you will not get the value for him you're looking for, which means taking back a bad contract or less value in trade. Reality strikes Canucks fans, but it hasn't hit Gillis yet.

- Isles_since_6



I see you read what you want.

I said if we had no other choice rather than taking back a bad contract we could just send him to Sweden.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
Burke needs to make the playoffs this year or he's toast.
- Scooby_Doo



What would that be now 9 years?
Bluechip23
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.22.2012

Aug 14 @ 1:50 PM ET
MG will never send him to sweden. That is not even an option for the canucks. MG will just keep him as the backup.
As_I_See_It
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.28.2011

Aug 14 @ 1:51 PM ET
Luongo is better than all but Quick and Lundqvist on that list. I exclude Schneider for obvious reasons and Thomas because he's done.
- Vagabond


Ahhhhhhhh?... No.

Luongo is DEFINITELY not better than Rinne.

Whether or not Luongo is better than Thomas, Ward and Fleury is debatable, but their hardware can do the talking there.

As for Price, Miller, Halak and Howard, I'd take them before Luongo given their age and upside.

Kipper? Personally, I always liked Kipper more than Luongo and thought he was better.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 14 @ 1:52 PM ET
What would that be now 9 years?
- VANTEL


Yes Burke has been GM for 5 years and missed the playoff 9 times
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 14 @ 1:52 PM ET
Where are you getting the ratings for NHL 13?
- CanUSA17

He's Pecafan.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 14 @ 1:53 PM ET
Dude you haven't provided one fact in 12 pages, so I'm not sure why you're being so critical.
- 1970vintage


I can provide reasons for my viewpoint, unlike most of you.
Vagabond
Location: Quebec City, QC
Joined: 11.09.2011

Aug 14 @ 1:54 PM ET
M-I-L-L-E-R.........1 bad year due to concussions and we throw his amazing stats out the window??? The guy is a (frank)ing beast come on now.
- MindFr3eak



Miller is good; I like Miller. It might be a toss-up, but I choose Luongo as better. You choose Miller -- fine.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 14 @ 1:54 PM ET
I see you read what you want.

I said if we had no other choice rather than taking back a bad contract we could just send him to Sweden.

- VANTEL


it's not a choice. A choice is an actual option you may have. Maybe you could try trading Luongo for a pony in your world.
walshyleafsfan1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd rather have Kassian than H, PEI
Joined: 01.11.2012

Aug 14 @ 1:55 PM ET
Yes Burke has been GM for 5 years and missed the playoff 9 times
- senstroll


He's acutally been the only GM in Maple Leafs history. He's a very old man you know
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 14 @ 1:55 PM ET
it's not a choice. A choice is an actual option you may have. Maybe you could try trading Luongo for a pony in your world.
- Isles_since_6


They would first try for a Unicorn and finally settle for a Donkey
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 14 @ 1:57 PM ET
Keep telling yourself that, Scoobs.

Keep telling yourself that.

- Atomic Wedgie



Why does Vancouver need to move their 3 rd best player from last year? So we can make Leafs happy?

Vagabond
Location: Quebec City, QC
Joined: 11.09.2011

Aug 14 @ 1:58 PM ET
and Rinne ......right...........RIGHT!!!


- billyberg10


Yes. Rinne is good, a perfect fit for the style of team he plays on. Would he be as good on a team that plays more offensively or doesn't bother about defense? I doubt it. Luongo has been an elite goalie for more than one team and in more than one situation. I choose Luongo. You choose Rinne.
billyberg10
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: HEAVEN
Joined: 09.27.2011

Aug 14 @ 1:59 PM ET
They would first try for a Unicorn and finally settle for a Donkey
- senstroll


I convinced my 5 year old Niece that i own a Unicorn named Penelope.....now she wants to see it first hand......im faked
Vagabond
Location: Quebec City, QC
Joined: 11.09.2011

Aug 14 @ 1:59 PM ET
I'm just going to ignore the comparisons, and point out one little fact:

It's not just how Luongo is right now.

It's also how he is going to be four years from now.

And five.

And six.

- Atomic Wedgie



He'll remain an elite goalie for another 4-6 years at least. That's my stand.
walshyleafsfan1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd rather have Kassian than H, PEI
Joined: 01.11.2012

Aug 14 @ 1:59 PM ET
Why does Vancouver need to move their 3 rd best player from last year? So we can make Leafs happy?


- VANTEL


I think both sides would be ecstatic if the trade didn't happen. Send him elsewhere.
Vagabond
Location: Quebec City, QC
Joined: 11.09.2011

Aug 14 @ 2:00 PM ET
I see you read what you want.

I said if we had no other choice rather than taking back a bad contract we could just send him to Sweden.

- VANTEL


But that's a silly thing to say because Gillis would never do that -- ever.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 14 @ 2:01 PM ET
I see you read what you want.

I said if we had no other choice rather than taking back a bad contract we could just send him to Sweden.

- VANTEL

Does it bother you at all that you in fact can't just send him to Sweden?

Silly me, facts don't seem to bother you at all.

But I mean, why Sweden? Why not just say that you will force him to be Gillis' butler?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Aug 14 @ 2:02 PM ET
Why does Vancouver need to move their 3 rd best player from last year? So we can make Leafs happy?


- VANTEL

I'm guessing you've never met a goalie.

Or a naked girl, but that's a whole 'nother subject.
vancity787
Vancouver Canucks
Location: My Parents Basement, BC
Joined: 07.14.2008

Aug 14 @ 2:02 PM ET
Ahhhhhhhh?... No.

Luongo is DEFINITELY not better than Rinne.

Whether or not Luongo is better than Thomas, Ward and Fleury is debatable, but their hardware can do the talking there.

As for Price, Miller, Halak and Howard, I'd take them before Luongo given their age and upside.

Kipper? Personally, I always liked Kipper more than Luongo and thought he was better.

- As_I_See_It

I think Miller is seriously overrated.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Aug 14 @ 2:03 PM ET
There's not many years left in my career, *laughs* even though I have a long contract.
- Roberto Luongo


http://soundcloud.com/993...eff-oneil-show-vs-roberto
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 14 @ 2:05 PM ET
He won't go to sweden...lol
- MindFr3eak



Then he retires .
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 14 @ 2:06 PM ET
This approach will do wonders for Vancouver's PR and attracting future UFA's!

I wonder if the league and NHLPA would also have a few things to say about this?

- As_I_See_It



Nothing illegal about it ask Huet.
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