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dilbert719
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.30.2006

Aug 13 @ 10:40 AM ET
@NHL: "Bryz learned a lot of things. I think we'll certainly see a different goalie next year." -#Flyers GM Holmgren.
- stveshdy


Oh, crap. We're trading for Luongo.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Aug 13 @ 10:41 AM ET
Ligament strains heal over time.
- MJL

very well indeed...

EDIT: Just as a reference... Jeff Carter sustained a grade II MCL tear in the playoffs two years ago when he collided with TYMY... but he's a pansy
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 13 @ 10:42 AM ET
Now go do, that voodoo, that you do so well!!
- Jsaquella

Everytime Simmonds scores I think of
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 13 @ 10:43 AM ET
very well indeed...
- jak521

Would you like to take this time to plug the benefits of deep stretching?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 10:44 AM ET


Slapshot to the head? No sweat
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Aug 13 @ 10:46 AM ET


Slapshot to the head? No sweat

- Jsaquella



jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Aug 13 @ 10:53 AM ET
Would you like to take this time to plug the benefits of deep stretching?
- BulliesPhan87

Ive gone over that enough... everything from migraines to back pain to a healthier sex life.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 13 @ 10:54 AM ET
Bouwmeester would add some much needed offense on the blue line and plays 25 minutes a night.
- bradleyc4


JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Aug 13 @ 11:03 AM ET
I made much the same point on Panaccio's blog a few minutes ago.

The average age of the forwards, including Briere and Fedotenko, is 25 years old. The average age of the defense, including Timonen is 26. This is a young team, with a wide open window

- Jsaquella

I mentioned last night that even if they have a losing season this year and don't make the playoffs, I'm not gonna get that down. Very young team with unlimited potential. Now do I think that they will have a losing season? No I think 5th or 6th seed again. Reason being, I don't see enough puck movement from that Blueline however, that's not to say a Bryce Salvador can't fall into their laps at the deadline. Then they could pull a 2010 and go all the way or at least a deep run, say conference finals. At the end of the day, I think there's enough forward depth to make up for the other deficiencies.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Aug 13 @ 11:05 AM ET


Slapshot to the head? No sweat

- Jsaquella

Clarke was the best, this franchise will never see a player with more heart than he had as a player
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Aug 13 @ 11:07 AM ET
I mentioned last night that even if they have a losing season this year and don't make the playoffs, I'm not gonna get that down. Very young team with unlimited potential. Now do I think that they will have a losing season? No I think 5th or 6th seed again. Reason being, I don't see enough puck movement from that Blueline however, that's not to say a Bryce Salvador can't fall into their laps at the deadline. Then they could pull a 2010 and go all the way or at least a deep run, say conference finals. At the end of the day, I think there's enough forward depth to make up for the other deficiencies.
- JoeRussomanno


Agreed. Plus, not many team's with a franchise player fail to make the playoffs and compete for the Cup, especially a franchise as committed to winning as the Flyers (not to mention a team with a big budget).
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Aug 13 @ 11:07 AM ET
I mentioned last night that even if they have a losing season this year and don't make the playoffs, I'm not gonna get that down. Very young team with unlimited potential. Now do I think that they will have a losing season? No I think 5th or 6th seed again. Reason being, I don't see enough puck movement from that Blueline however, that's not to say a Bryce Salvador can't fall into their laps at the deadline. Then they could pull a 2010 and go all the way or at least a deep run, say conference finals. At the end of the day, I think there's enough forward depth to make up for the other deficiencies.
- JoeRussomanno

I dont think they are gonna end up getting the type of d-man they need at the deadline... thats not to say they wont be making moves. I hope that for once this org (talking to you Mr Snider, oh and btw thank you for being a fantastic owner) will have a bitttt of patience... Even if they have a tough season, and continue to get hit with the injury bug..

Next year is going to be a very deep draft.. we have a very young team with FANTASTIC promise (especially offensively). Worse case scenario is the team bombs... The way I see that.... a learning experience that will go a long way for those young kids..
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Aug 13 @ 11:08 AM ET
Clarke was the best, this franchise will never see a player with more heart than he had as a player
- vejim

I know its a bit premature, but Giroux is something else.

EDIT: One could also go as far to say that Lappy was pretty much all heart.. shame he only last one season here.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Aug 13 @ 11:13 AM ET


Lot less creepy

- Jsaquella

did you hear Gene Hart and Don Earle screaming, I think the whole city screamed that night
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Aug 13 @ 11:13 AM ET
I don't know why he didn't just pop it.
- NickTheKid87

cuz he's an alien and they don't pop zits.
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Aug 13 @ 11:14 AM ET
A year ago, I'd have said I doubt it, and I'd be happy if he simply became a serviceable fill-in at the NHL level. But I think he took a big jump in his third pro season before the concussion issues. If he improves at a similar clip next season, yes, I think he can be a top-four. If his continued improvement falls a bit shy of that, he's at least a top 6. He still needs to read-and-react a bit faster, but he came a long way in that area last season compared to where he was before.
- bmeltzer


Thanks Bill. I think MAB made some serious strides to hit his potential. I was very skeptical till I started doing the numbers and realized he was pushing into a 4-5 role as a Defensemen. Very surprised, I had written him off as a bad job by then. But he seems like he was doing well and Lavy seems to really start to trust him. I think he could be a regular 4th spot Defensemen but I don't see that this year. I think if he can continue and rock the third pairing I'd be insanely happy.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 11:16 AM ET
Thanks Bill. I think MAB made some serious strides to hit his potential. I was very skeptical till I started doing the numbers and realized he was pushing into a 4-5 role as a Defensemen. Very surprised, I had written him off as a bad job by then. But he seems like he was doing well and Lavy seems to really start to trust him. I think he could be a regular 4th spot Defensemen but I don't see that this year. I think if he can continue and rock the third pairing I'd be insanely happy.
- flyler



What specifically made you feel he was pushing into a top 4 role?
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Aug 13 @ 11:16 AM ET
IMO if you're going to move assets for a defenseman, I'd rather try to go for a young guy with a high upside like Bogosian instead on J-Bo. Both guys would be a gamble but I think betting on Bogosian to become a franchise dman or at least a solid top 4 is a better idea than betting on J-Bo to return to the player he was with the Panthers.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 11:20 AM ET
IMO if you're going to move assets for a defenseman, I'd rather try to go for a young guy with a high upside like Bogosian instead on J-Bo. Both guys would be a gamble but I think betting on Bogosian to become a franchise dman or at least a solid top 4 is a better idea than betting on J-Bo to return to the player he was with the Panthers.
- NickTheKid87


I agree 100%. I just don't know if he is available, and what the cost would be. I imagine it be pretty high and start with one of the usual 2 players.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Aug 13 @ 11:23 AM ET
I agree 100%. I just don't know if he is available, and what the cost would be. I imagine it be pretty high and start with one of the usual 2 players.
- MJL


I know when he was in Atlanta he wanted out which inadvertently worked out for him. WPG just signed Enstrom and Bogo will be a RFA next summer so I guess they'll want to evaluate his play this year. But what if we could have him for Brayden Schenn straight up? I'd seriously consider that, although I know many people would not.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Aug 13 @ 11:25 AM ET
I agree 100%. I just don't know if he is available, and what the cost would be. I imagine it be pretty high and start with one of the usual 2 players.
- MJL

Homer has liked JBow and I think he will try to get the best deal he can. I just hope it doesnt turn out like the Williams trade to Carolina.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 11:27 AM ET
Homer has liked JBow and I think he will try to get the best deal he can. I just hope it doesnt turn out like the Williams Carolina.
- vejim



I don't doubt that Holmgren is kicking the tires for Bouwmeester. And I wouldn't be shocked if he becomes a Flyer.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 13 @ 11:31 AM ET
Flyers Bluelines of the Holmgren Era:

(First six players listed were on opening day roster)

2007-08 (42-29-5) Lost in Round 3
Hatcher, Coburn, Jones, Smith, Kukkonen, Timonen
(Vandermeer, Modry, Fitzpatrick, Guenin, Picard, Parent)

2008-09 (44-27-5) Lost in Round 1
Kukkonen, Coburn, Vaananen, Eminger, Timonen, Sbisa
(Alberts, Jones, Parent, Guenin, Sloane, Fritsch, Syvret)

2009-10 (41-35-3) Lost in Round 4
Coburn, Pronger, Carle, Timonen, Parent, Syvret
(Bartulis, Krajicek, Tollefsen)

2010-11 (47-23-5) Lost in Round 2
Bartulis, Coburn, O'Donnell, Carle, Meszaros, Timonen
(Pronger, Gustafsson, Syvret, Walker, Boynton)

2011-12 (47-26-2) Lost in Round 2
Lilja, Coburn, Pronger, Carle, Meszaros, Timonen
(Bourdon, Grossmann, Gustafsson, Kubina, Walker, Manning, Marshall)

2012-13 (0-0-0) N/A
Timonen, Coburn, Grossmann, Schenn, Bourdon, Gervais
(Meszaros, Lilja, Gustafsson, Manning)



Food for thought.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 11:34 AM ET
Flyers Bluelines of the Holmgren Era:



Food for thought.

- Tomahawk


12/13 TBD
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Aug 13 @ 11:35 AM ET


Slapshot to the head? No sweat

- Jsaquella



Love the fact, after he scored they all added to his headache...
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