LAME OFFERS all of them...........

OH Puhleasse...

I could go back in archives and find where Nuck fans are going on about Weber coming home! Book it! And it goes on all the time...Weber was coming home for sure, Schultz no question, Parise, now Doan and Benn? And RNH is always "coming home once his ELC is up" Then after the fact when they go somewhere else, you change your tune and say oh we just wanted them we didnt really expect them...and in the same breathe most of you then start bashing them saying "I'm glad they didnt come". Sore losers...That is Vancouver fans and that is why the rest of the league HATES Van fans.

- Iggysbff

Oooo, I have heard that one...

Not all want to play here (of course) some do some can't handle the pressure (Kariya, Sakic). Schultz's signing choice had nothing to do with not wanting to play in Vancouver I'd bet. More likely he wanted (as rumoured) guaranteed playing time and PP time. He was not going to get that (at present) with the Canucks and he will get that (for better or worse) with the Oilers. It seems obvious to me. Weber never got the chance to sign here -- he wasn't going to be given the type of offer sheet he got. Garrison did sign here. If you're referencing Doan in any way, again it would likely have nothing to do with not liking to play here: he wants to stay in Phoenix. If he doesn't he still could end up a Canuck.
- Vagabond

wait what?

Weber was said by posters here to want to play here...obviously take it for what you will, this is a rumour site and not a fact site...but fans here were pretty into saying that....remember that if he wanted to play in Van so bad he just didn't have to sign the offer sheet...the OS means nothing until he signs it.

Same goes for J Schultz...it was a forgone conclusion that he would sign here because of his birthplace in kelowna. and his fave team growing up was the Nucks...
It was said that he was not guaranteed a Top 4 spot in Edm. Schultz also said that he was not demanding it either.

He does have a better chance to earn the Top 4 spot than on other teams, no doubt, but he will have to earn it. Odds on fave to get a spot on 5-6 and get PP time.

FYI: Justin Schultz said that he decided to become an Edmonton Oiler before the telephone calls from Wayne Gretzky and Paul Coffey.
Schultz is very impressed by the Oilers collection of outstanding young forwards such as Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and now Nail Yakupov and figured it was a perfect fit for him. "Getting the call from the greatest player to play the game was pretty cool but I don't know if it swayed my decision at all. I always kind of knew I wanted to play there," Schultz said. He also said that he was not promised a spot on the roster, nor did he want one as he wants earn his place on the team. It's going to an exciting time in Edmonton for a long time. Jul 1 - 8:39 AM
Source: Edmonton Sun

So yeah I'll believe him over how it went down over your rendition, tyvm.

As for the bold part...Sakic couldn't handle the pressure? Dude the guy won a cup..multiple actually, also a gold medal...yeah I think he can handle pressure. I think he was just happy to play and it was not important where.
- OilHorse

+1

No, I do not agree that having HIGHER goals per game makes a player more consistent. Lets do a little test to see if we agree what consistent means.

Player X
2011-12 - 40 goals / 82 games
2010-11 - 38 goals / 80 games
2009-10 - 39 goals / 82 games
2008-09 - 32 goals / 81 games
2007-08 - 26 goals / 77 games
2006-07 - 15 goals / 70 games

Total - 190 goals / 472 games = .402 g/g

Player Y
2011-12 - 15 goals / 82 games
2010-11 - 55 goals / 80 games
2009-10 - 17 goals / 82 games
2008-09 - 47 goals / 81 games
2007-08 - 5 goals / 77 games
2006-07 - 52 goals / 70 games

Total - 191 / 472 games = .404 g/g

Which player is more consistent?

EDIT - just to strengthen my point, Jonathan Cheechoo has much better goals/game numbers than Backes, is he more consistent?
- 1970vintage

No one scored 55 goals in 10-11...so I call BS on you....in fact no one scored 38 either...use actual facts please...

HMM Marleau and Gaborik???
- Bluechip23

This is completely fictional, any likeness to people living or dead is purely coincidental and no animals were harmed in the process.

This is completely fictional, any likeness to people living or dead is purely coincidental and no animals were harmed in the process.
- 1970vintage

LOL. well said.

No one scored 55 goals in 10-11...so I call BS on you....in fact no one scored 38 either...use actual facts please...
- OilHorse

Agreed.... I couldn't figure it out. Seems kinda odd to post made up nonsense to prove a point.

No one scored 55 goals in 10-11...so I call BS on you....in fact no one scored 38 either...use actual facts please...
- OilHorse

Dude, this is about consistency, not actual players. Buddy was saying that Backes is more consistent because he has scored more (slightly) goals/game than Kesler. I am suggesting that scoring more does not make one more consistent, i.e. Cheechoo...

Not all want to play here (of course) some do some can't handle the pressure (Kariya, Sakic). Schultz's signing choice had nothing to do with not wanting to play in Vancouver I'd bet. More likely he wanted (as rumoured) guaranteed playing time and PP time. He was not going to get that (at present) with the Canucks and he will get that (for better or worse) with the Oilers. It seems obvious to me. Weber never got the chance to sign here -- he wasn't going to be given the type of offer sheet he got. Garrison did sign here. If you're referencing Doan in any way, again it would likely have nothing to do with not liking to play here: he wants to stay in Phoenix. If he doesn't he still could end up a Canuck.
- Vagabond

Once again...go check out Schultz's press conference...He never demanded ice time or PP time. He was never gauranteed ice time or pp time by the Oilers. He expects to come in to camp and have to EARN his ice time just like everyone else. So no that was not the reason he chose Edmonton over Van.

Agreed.... I couldn't figure it out. Seems kinda odd to post made up nonsense to prove a point.
- burn

So you decline to answer because you don't like the results...

With matters to Free agents coming to Vancouver I strongly believe the cost of Living in a city like Vancouver is a huge factor for some of these guys. Take Shane doan for example. He lives in Phoenix and he probably has a 10000 Sq foot house in the nicest area of Phoenix and he paid like 100k for it. When you come to Vancouver you have to pay Canadian taxes ( I think) and then you have to pay 2mill to buy anything decent. Reality is Doan isnt living in Langley he will be in Kits, British properties etc.

I know these guys make a crap load of money but a guy like doan who has a big family I think it makes a difference for him.

You can be a fan and be realistic. Do I think Kesler is a better player YES. Do I believe Kessel is a better fit for the nucks yes.

Part of the problem with this city and its fan base is Canuck fans in general dont know hockey. They just know the Vancouver Canucks. They dont try and learn about other players and other stats. They just look at their team and nothing else.

I cheer for sports in general and players. Do I cheer for the canucks of course I do. But I can also state that other players that play on other teams are good. Just because they play on Vancouver doesnt make them the gods gift to hockey. If that were the case we would have won the last 2 cups. There is a reason why we lost to Boston and got A$$ kicked by LA. The Sedin injury is not the reason.
- Bluechip23

So Kessel would of made us tougher?

So you decline to answer because you don't like the results...
- 1970vintage

It's not the results.

It's not the results.
- burn

OK, whatever, you believe that consistent means more, I believe it means fewer degrees of change from year to year. It's too nice out to keep this up, so you win Backes is more consistent than Kesler.

Dude, this is about consistency, not actual players. Buddy was saying that Backes is more consistent because he has scored more (slightly) goals/game than Kesler. I am suggesting that scoring more does not make one more consistent, i.e. Cheechoo...
- 1970vintage

then post Cheechoo's stats...fictional stats are irrelevant in proving what you see as fact.

check these totals:

41, 31, 16, 38, 11, 23...true blue stats...not very consistent...but he is actually one of the best scorers ever.

Not sure what your issue is but the 'nut' reference is in pretty
Poor taste.

How about if a major misfortune that has befallen you were
To be mocked repeatedly in a public forum?

Develop some standards already.
- BobbySchmautz

Don't mind Boinker...he is happy Kesler actually scored more than 26 and will cling to that like a baby and its blankie.

Kessel never scored less than 30 in the last 4 years. After his 41 year Kesler never passes 26.

OH Puhleasse...

I could go back in archives and find where Nuck fans are going on about Weber coming home! Book it! And it goes on all the time...Weber was coming home for sure, Schultz no question, Parise, now Doan and Benn? And RNH is always "coming home once his ELC is up" Then after the fact when they go somewhere else, you change your tune and say oh we just wanted them we didnt really expect them...and in the same breathe most of you then start bashing them saying "I'm glad they didnt come". Sore losers...That is Vancouver fans and that is why the rest of the league HATES Van fans.

- Iggysbff

I'm crushed to hear that. Now I'm going to have to drink all afternoon just to kill the depression.

OK, whatever, you believe that consistent means more, I believe it means fewer degrees of change from year to year. It's too nice out to keep this up, so you win Backes is more consistent than Kesler.
- 1970vintage

You can't go to the results that you want and devise a way to prove them. It's not how it works. Scientist and mathematician would be discredited for doing that.



Kesler AVG 19 goals/year Career.

Backes AVG 21 goals/year career.

Kesler has a larger margin of swing(higher and lower) from his AVG than Backes. How's that for proving consistency?

I'm crushed to hear that. Now I'm going to have to drink all afternoon just to kill the depression.
- bloatedmosquito

You are a jerk and no one likes you...now go drown those sorrows also...

You are a jerk and no one likes you...now go drown those sorrows also...

- OilHorse

but...but...I like him....

You can't go to the results that you want and devise a way to prove them. It's not how it works. Scientist and mathematician would be discredited for doing that.



Kesler AVG 19 goals/year Career.

Backes AVG 21 goals/year career.

Kesler has a larger margin of swing(higher and lower) from his AVG than Backes. How's that for proving consistency?
- burn

Kesler was a late bloomer he had under 6, and 10 goals in his first 2 seasons..

Kesler was a late bloomer he had under 6, and 10 goals in his first 2 seasons..
- pker2theend

Backes started on the 1st line?

Agreed.... I couldn't figure it out. Seems kinda odd to post made up nonsense to prove a point.
- burn

Ya, simple dividing is tough, huh? Did they not teach division in Toronto schools? That explains a lot...

Ya, simple dividing is tough, huh?
- hankthetank

Is math not a priority in BC?