point me to the original criteria.
- OilHorse

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Then why is BAckes's pts &g/game >better.. Oh and Backes plays less minutes. BAcks is more constant. The facts prove it.

That trade proposal isn't all that bad actually.
- burn

Dude, you said CONSISTENT, not higher, these two things do not mean the same thing. Do I need to draw you a graph? And seriously, Backes g/g .28 p/g .61 Kesler g/g .27 p/g .60. We're not talking about Gretzky versus Semenko here, these are very comparable players with near identical career point totals.

I get that if St. Louis were considering moving Backes it would be costly, he is the guy I would want to start my team around. I think Kesler is a great player, but his selfishness is enough to make me gag.

You dont think Backes started out with limited time on lines 3 and 4 as well?

Personally, I would say Kesler is a slightly better player than Backes. But Backes beats Kesler in the intangibles. Kesler is one of a handful of players that I would NEVER take on my team regardless.
- Iggysbff

Several things about this post are just idiotic

Dude, you said CONSISTENT, not higher, these two things do not mean the same thing. Do I need to draw you a graph? And seriously, Backes g/g .28 p/g .61 Kesler g/g .27 p/g .60. We're not talking about Gretzky versus Semenko here, these are very comparable players with near identical career point totals.

I get that if St. Louis were considering moving Backes it would be costly, he is the guy I would want to start my team around. I think Kesler is a great player, but his selfishness is enough to make me gag.
- 1970vintage

agreed, which is why its absurd of a nothing to say that St.Louis needs to add.

And as for the 2nd part, that's why I'd take Backes.

Several things about this post are just idiotic
- Fosco

1st line of 2nd paragraph jumps out at me as fitting this.

Dude, you said CONSISTENT, not higher, these two things do not mean the same thing. Do I need to draw you a graph? And seriously, Backes g/g .28 p/g .61 Kesler g/g .27 p/g .60. We're not talking about Gretzky versus Semenko here, these are very comparable players with near identical career point totals.

I get that if St. Louis were considering moving Backes it would be costly, he is the guy I would want to start my team around. I think Kesler is a great player, but his selfishness is enough to make me gag.
- 1970vintage

So you don't agree that Backes's better pts and G/game make him more consistent?

So you don't agree that Backes's better pts and G/game make him more consistent?
- burn

What's your goal here today? Does it really matter who's better?
Worry about your own team.

Several things about this post are just idiotic
- Fosco

Like what? Not one thing you can refute so you just say I'm an idiot instead...typical Canuck fan.

So you don't agree that Backes's better pts and G/game make him more consistent?
- burn

No, I do not agree that having HIGHER goals per game makes a player more consistent. Lets do a little test to see if we agree what consistent means.

Player X
2011-12 - 40 goals / 82 games
2010-11 - 38 goals / 80 games
2009-10 - 39 goals / 82 games
2008-09 - 32 goals / 81 games
2007-08 - 26 goals / 77 games
2006-07 - 15 goals / 70 games

Total - 190 goals / 472 games = .402 g/g

Player Y
2011-12 - 15 goals / 82 games
2010-11 - 55 goals / 80 games
2009-10 - 17 goals / 82 games
2008-09 - 47 goals / 81 games
2007-08 - 5 goals / 77 games
2006-07 - 52 goals / 70 games

Total - 191 / 472 games = .404 g/g

Which player is more consistent?

EDIT - just to strengthen my point, Jonathan Cheechoo has much better goals/game numbers than Backes, is he more consistent?

ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME! All we heard from Van fans for the past year is how WEBER WAS GOING TO COME HOME AND SIGN WITH THE CANUCKS!

And Schultz turned you down so that makes him a MORON? Take a look in the mirror...
- Iggysbff

You lie. What you actually heard (yes, I presume to know) was that many/most Canucks' fans wanted him to sign in Vancouver. Most actually did not expect it to happen.

As for Schultz -- whatever. He's done and gone. He chose Edmonton and time will tell if he made a good choice or not. For his development as an NHL player he may have made the wrong choice. For his playing time he may not have. He had every right to make the wrong/right choice. Whether or not he's a moron: who knows he may be -- or not. None of us certainly know.

Aww jeez dud....all that has been said over the past few months is how many players from BC will only wanna play for VanNucks becasue of the hometown element. Yet, none of these players seem to have signed there...
- OilHorse

Not all want to play here (of course) some do some can't handle the pressure (Kariya, Sakic). Schultz's signing choice had nothing to do with not wanting to play in Vancouver I'd bet. More likely he wanted (as rumoured) guaranteed playing time and PP time. He was not going to get that (at present) with the Canucks and he will get that (for better or worse) with the Oilers. It seems obvious to me. Weber never got the chance to sign here -- he wasn't going to be given the type of offer sheet he got. Garrison did sign here. If you're referencing Doan in any way, again it would likely have nothing to do with not liking to play here: he wants to stay in Phoenix. If he doesn't he still could end up a Canuck.

Ballard was given the chance to play T4 minutes on the Canucks and failed, don't know why it would be any different anywhere else. You basically have to get the puck to the Sedins and that was too tough for him. He can't play D either.
- JVR2112

Actually he wasn't. Reference: AV.

46 is the new 50.
- Scooby_Doo

Is it...

I do not know why but that makes me sad..

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- burn

Fair that...

Actually he wasn't. Reference: AV.
- Vagabond

Agreed, he was in AV's doghouse since day 1...but when given the time to play he never was able to play well enough to get in AV's good graces.

Nuge is also 19...he is gonna get his size...His only true injury was a flukeish injury tripping over an ice shadow and going into the boards. Not too worried.

Has Ebs missed substantial time consistently? No

Hall just had a troublesome shoulder fixed, one that was problematic since Jr. He's will be fine since he has a pile of time to rehab it.

Gagner. Had a high ankle sprain last year in the pre season, it healed and he played the rest of the year. he had a fluke injury on his wrist the year before. Don't remember his injury from the year before, but it does not seem to have been a problem since.

All these small guys...where are the injuries that will hamper them through out their career?
- OilHorse

The way Hall plays, I would expect injury problems for him.

ON the canucks I would rather have Kessel to be honest. I dont think the canucks need a strong shut down center thats why we have a great d and an all star goalie. what the nucks need is Kessel to score 40 goals. If he was with the Sedins he would put 50 in net. He is a STUD offensively. He scores 35 goals with Tyler Bozak and no other offensive talent around him. Give him a decent player to play with who knows what he could do.

Bure couldnt back check either and he is in the Hall of fame. Kessel at the age of 24 has close to 160 goals I think. Kesler at 24 wasnt even close to that.

I think Kesler is a better all around player but for the canucks Kessel would be a better a fit.
- Bluechip23

No one is buying your Canuck fan act.

Agreed, he was in AV's doghouse since day 1...but when given the time to play he never was able to play well enough to get in AV's good graces.
- OilHorse

When a player is in AV's doghouse he does not ever get out. Ever.

Like what? Not one thing you can refute so you just say I'm an idiot instead...typical Canuck fan.
- Iggysbff

Aren't you the same dude who said that Brandon Gormley isn't close to as good of a prospect as Justin Schultz and Klefbom and Fedun( ).


What a joke!

You lie. What you actually heard (yes, I presume to know) was that many/most Canucks' fans wanted him to sign in Vancouver. Most actually did not expect it to happen.

As for Schultz -- whatever. He's done and gone. He chose Edmonton and time will tell if he made a good choice or not. For his development as an NHL player he may have made the wrong choice. For his playing time he may not have. He had every right to make the wrong/right choice. Whether or not he's a moron: who knows he may be -- or not. None of us certainly know.
- Vagabond

OH Puhleasse...

I could go back in archives and find where Nuck fans are going on about Weber coming home! Book it! And it goes on all the time...Weber was coming home for sure, Schultz no question, Parise, now Doan and Benn? And RNH is always "coming home once his ELC is up" Then after the fact when they go somewhere else, you change your tune and say oh we just wanted them we didnt really expect them...and in the same breathe most of you then start bashing them saying "I'm glad they didnt come". Sore losers...That is Vancouver fans and that is why the rest of the league HATES Van fans.

Aren't you the same dude who said that Brandon Gormley isn't close to as good of a prospect as Justin Schultz and Klefbom and Fedun( ).


What a joke!
- Nucker101

Nope, Clouts was saying he would step right in. I said Gormley is going to be great, but is not an immediate upgrade. He will be better than Fedun, but Schultz and Klefbom have equal potential to Gormley. Time will tell which is better.

Edit: And I only put Fedun in because if it wasnt for his injury last year, he would have been in the NHL. Only as a bottom pair guy, but that is still ahead of Gormley at the moment. Gormley will likely have no problem leaving him in the dust once he gets more development time.

Not all want to play here (of course) some do some can't handle the pressure (Kariya, Sakic). Schultz's signing choice had nothing to do with not wanting to play in Vancouver I'd bet. More likely he wanted (as rumoured) guaranteed playing time and PP time. He was not going to get that (at present) with the Canucks and he will get that (for better or worse) with the Oilers. It seems obvious to me. Weber never got the chance to sign here -- he wasn't going to be given the type of offer sheet he got. Garrison did sign here. If you're referencing Doan in any way, again it would likely have nothing to do with not liking to play here: he wants to stay in Phoenix. If he doesn't he still could end up a Canuck.
- Vagabond

Weber was said by posters here to want to play here...obviously take it for what you will, this is a rumour site and not a fact site...but fans here were pretty into saying that....remember that if he wanted to play in Van so bad he just didn't have to sign the offer sheet...the OS means nothing until he signs it.

Same goes for J Schultz...it was a forgone conclusion that he would sign here because of his birthplace in kelowna. and his fave team growing up was the Nucks...
It was said that he was not guaranteed a Top 4 spot in Edm. Schultz also said that he was not demanding it either.

He does have a better chance to earn the Top 4 spot than on other teams, no doubt, but he will have to earn it. Odds on fave to get a spot on 5-6 and get PP time.

FYI: Justin Schultz said that he decided to become an Edmonton Oiler before the telephone calls from Wayne Gretzky and Paul Coffey.
Schultz is very impressed by the Oilers collection of outstanding young forwards such as Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and now Nail Yakupov and figured it was a perfect fit for him. "Getting the call from the greatest player to play the game was pretty cool but I don't know if it swayed my decision at all. I always kind of knew I wanted to play there," Schultz said. He also said that he was not promised a spot on the roster, nor did he want one as he wants earn his place on the team. It's going to an exciting time in Edmonton for a long time. Jul 1 - 8:39 AM
Source: Edmonton Sun

So yeah I'll believe him over how it went down over your rendition, tyvm.

As for the bold part...Sakic couldn't handle the pressure? Dude the guy won a cup..multiple actually, also a gold medal...yeah I think he can handle pressure. I think he was just happy to play and it was not important where.

No one is buying your Canuck fan act.
- A_SteamingLombardi

You can be a fan and be realistic. Do I think Kesler is a better player YES. Do I believe Kessel is a better fit for the nucks yes.

Part of the problem with this city and its fan base is Canuck fans in general dont know hockey. They just know the Vancouver Canucks. They dont try and learn about other players and other stats. They just look at their team and nothing else.

I cheer for sports in general and players. Do I cheer for the canucks of course I do. But I can also state that other players that play on other teams are good. Just because they play on Vancouver doesnt make them the gods gift to hockey. If that were the case we would have won the last 2 cups. There is a reason why we lost to Boston and got A$$ kicked by LA. The Sedin injury is not the reason.

When a player is in AV's doghouse he does not ever get out. Ever.
- Vagabond

lolol...it is like another dimension...sucked into a void and lost forever...

No, I do not agree that having HIGHER goals per game makes a player more consistent. Lets do a little test to see if we agree what consistent means.

Player X
2011-12 - 40 goals / 82 games
2010-11 - 38 goals / 80 games
2009-10 - 39 goals / 82 games
2008-09 - 32 goals / 81 games
2007-08 - 26 goals / 77 games
2006-07 - 15 goals / 70 games

Total - 190 goals / 472 games = .402 g/g

Player Y
2011-12 - 15 goals / 82 games
2010-11 - 55 goals / 80 games
2009-10 - 17 goals / 82 games
2008-09 - 47 goals / 81 games
2007-08 - 5 goals / 77 games
2006-07 - 52 goals / 70 games

Total - 191 / 472 games = .404 g/g

Which player is more consistent?

EDIT - just to strengthen my point, Jonathan Cheechoo has much better goals/game numbers than Backes, is he more consistent?
- 1970vintage

HMM Marleau and Gaborik???